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Sure. Was wondering though if anyone uses a supplement that combines some of the best so I don't have to go experimenting with/purchasing many supplements. I see so many compound products for sale, figured there were preferred ones.

Hey all!

Till now, I've been treating my light hair loss with topical products only- Nizoral and a LLLT helmet. I can't do vasoldilators (Minoxidil, etc.) and have not wanted to go with finasteride. So far I seem to have stopped the loss but have not experienced any regrowth (helmet has been for 8 months, for what that's worth.)

I don't want to go with anything internal with serious potential side-effects, but I realized recently I should probably at least be doing something on the internal side along the lines of saw palmetto, pumpkin seed oil, biotin, etc., but I started searching and of course my head started spinning with the options!

These days, is there an all-in-one supplement that you guys prefer? Something that hits all the major marks, has good reviews, and basically allows me to do the standard level of blocking and growth promotion I should be doing without going more hardcore (fin, etc.)?

Thanks so much!!

Just tried the stuff. Yes, it covers. But it also is nasssssty.

1. By the end of the day my fingernails are near black from just regular hair touching.

2. I have to use a bunch of the stuff to get any results (I'm only a Norwood 1.5 in the temples and 3 in the vertex.) At $38 a bottle, not ideal.

3. Clean up. Oh my God. My sink area looks like an oil spill area when I run water around it to clean up.

Are there any products people recommend as an alternative? I don't mean another keratin powder that'll basically do the same thing, I mean some entirely different style of product that perhaps works differently to thicken.

Thanks all!

Got it.  So no new products I should go try just yet.  Sigh.  

Hey guys!  Haven't checked in on "the scene" in a number of years.  I remember of course from back in the day there were only three tried and true, clinically-proven solutions and of course you all know what they are!

I use Nizoral religiously and have been for years- stopped my hair loss dead in its tracks.

Minoxidil gives me atrocious headaches, can't do it.

Finasteride has too many potential side effects for me to take.  (Personal choice, not worth debating.)

I was wondering if in my absence anything else has come around with the same levels of proven efficacy.  Obviously the nets are full of hokum and snake oil, and I have no interest in burning 3-6 months trying the latest and (not so) greatest fake reviews on Amazon are trying to sell me.

Thanks so much all!

Hey guys, I realize this question is probably almost impossible to answer, but figured I would try nonetheless.

Certain celebrities seem to have had very successful HTs- Ben Affleck, Edward Norton, and Daniel Tosh come to mind. Now, granted, I'm not seeing them up close and am going off of the camera, but even in HD and in bold lighting the results seem great.

Given they have effectively limitless funds, I assume they went to the best of the best. I also assume they'd never in a million years disclose who it was or that they did it (with the exception of Tosh, who talks about it all the time.)

So my question is, is there in fact a "doctor to the stars" when it comes to this? Have any celebrities (like the ones above) with successful HTs been provably linked to a certain doctor, or have come out and just said it?

Thanks!

Hey all, a few years back I started browsing around for options, and I remember at the time the Dr.s who consistently came to the top were:

H&W

Shapiro

Feller

Rahal

I was wondering if these were still considered the best of the best, if the list has changed in your opinions, if promising newcomers have entered the fray, etc.

Really appreciate your help!

-BB

Yeah, for what it's worth, I'm effectively saying "fully aware the Big 3 are the standard ticket and most effective. Am using one so far just fine (Niz). Won't touch another out of (call it irrational) fear. And the third I was totally gung ho but jesus did it mess with me- and hard -the first two times I put it on. So what else can I do to at least stabilize or improve the situation without the miraculous results those two can provide?" If said results are much smaller, so be it, but I'm willing to at least do *something* to improve the situation, especially if ti can stabilize if not regrow. Also, FYI, I'm barely even on the Norwood scale- you can see some thinning at the crown and a little at the temples, but that's it. Recession has been very gradual over the past ten years. So if I can maintain that more or less till transplant time , that'd be a success.

I wouldn't say there is a hierarchy per say but he is a idea of what they can do.

 

Saw Palmetto-natural DHT inhibitor

Nettle Root-natural DHT inhibitor

Pumpkin Seed Oil- natural mild DHT inhibitor no side effects as your body will process as it is a food.

 

Vitamin B Complex-contributes to overall hair health

biotin- supports hair, skin, nail health

mSm- hair supplement will accelerate rate at which hair grows

silica- supports hair, skin, nail health

 

I think to supplement the the absence of the MinoX I would start with the Cayenne & saw palmetto oil and use 2-3 times per week. In addition to trying some of the supplements and A DHT inhibitor.

 

This should really help contribute to overall hair health and once you find a what works for you it will help offset not using minox & FIN and you won't have to worry about side effects you were concerned about.

 

 

I personally haven't tried the S5 cream but it seems to help a lot of men who have mild hair loss and aren't willing to take propecia. It is talked about and I believe it can be purchased on hair loss talk. They have a day and night cream. The day cream has caffeine and both are applied like a lotion with a thin layer..

 

Keep us posted on what works best for you. There are a lot of hair loss sufferers that are looking for alternatives as propecia & minox isn't viable for many men.

Do you know of any combo supplements that contain many of the top ones, perchance? I know there are some sold on Amazon but wasn't sure what's considered good on here. Obviously 1-2 pills a day is preferred to 5-10

Thanks!!! Is there any sort of hierarchy to supplements (much like there are 3 canonical treatments)?

Hey guys, so here's my status on the Big 3:

1. Niz: just started using twice a week

2. Fin: too much risk for me to take (not worth addressing, move along )

3. Min: so I just tried this yesterday and there's no way I can use this. Massive headaches, lightheadedness, and dizziness both times I've applied it (it was 5% Rogaine liquid.) I'm writing this now about 24 hours after my last application and I still feel about 40% of the symptoms. It was BAD. And immediate.

For what it's worth, I'm also using Nexxus Vitatress shampoo and scalp creme- those two are great.

So I need to now figure out what I can/should take to ensure the best results. Min is out of the question, even at a 2% solution. You know how sometimes your body tells you, in no uncertain terms, THIS SHOULD NOT BE HERE? That's how I felt with this stuff- it feels like poison.

So what else should I do? I haven't done any nutritional supplements yet since I didn't want full-body hair thickening/growth, but maybe it's time (Biotin? MSM?)

Any alternatives to Min out there that are showing promise and are known for not having side effects?

These are basically the questions I have- what can I do to ensure as much as thickness as possible given the above constraints, till one day maybe a transplant ?

Thanks all! (Oh, and please, please avoid commentary on why I should in fact take Fin or Min- consider them off the table for me. Thanks.)

Bumping

Thanks! Any others with experience?

Hey guys! So after plenty of research and lots of less-than-successful experience with simple shampoos, I've come across and decided to try some of the big 3 regimen. Specifically, minoxidil and a ketoconazole shampoo. Am not game to do anything internal at this point like fin.

The problem is there are now several options and I wanted to get people's opinion on here:

Min-

Do I go for Rogaine, one of the Kirkland Select generic ones, or Lipogaine?

Ketoconazole shampoo-

Do I go with Nizoral, Regenpure, or, once again, Lipogaine?

I feel I'm now on the right track but, as always, at each step exist many options!

Thanks!!!

Thanks. As an aside, is there a standard thread on here comparing the general OTC options for minoxidil, like lipogaine (looks good?), regenapure, revita, etc.?

Hey guys, this is sort of a backwards question:

I've considered getting hair transplant down the road. In the meantime, my hair is very gradually thinning at the hairline and crown, but nothing terribly noticeable yet.

I've tried some of the shampoos on Amazon without much success (not a surprise to many on you here, I'm sure).

The next step would be Rogaine/Minoxidil, but I'm hesitant to go down even that path. I know there is a slight risk of hair loss from it (many on here would probably say there's no risk at all, not sure). To put it mildly though, topicals are absolutely as far as I'm willing to go right now- nothing internal like fin.

Ok, that's the scenario.

Recently my friend came to town and he had had transplant surgery in the past year. Looked pretty good. I noticed he was now applying Rogaine, and I asked him "oh, how long is that for?" and he goes "life."

So I need to know after a transplant, what are you usually expected to keep taking? Because (and here's the crux of the question) if I'm slated to be on it for the rest of my life anyway, there's no logical reason not to start on it now pre-surgery and reap the benefits.. right?

Thanks all!

The positive placebo effect is directionally proportional to the amount of money spent on the product. How else can one explain how a billion dollar industry based on fraud continues to flourish?

Does not explain the vast disparity in review averages for products claiming to do the exact same thing.

Logically, general placebo phenomena would lead to an evening out of almost all reviews across all such products- not huge spikes for a select few.

Multiple reasons why I wouldn't give much credit to the Amazon reviews,

 

1) Most shampoos will indeed make your hair look nicer/thicker, but that isn't the same as preventing hair loss so I imagine there is a lot of confusion there.

2) Placebo effect is especially easy to apply here when the appearance of your hair does indeed change for the better.

3) People claiming quick or immediate hairloss results are mistaken considering that is... impossible.

4) With even the most effective hair loss medications (i.e. Fin), the results after years of usage tend to be subtle and extremely gradual. A lot of the time people taking Fin are unable to notice or appreciate any kind of improvement. But the catch is the hairloss has been slowed or haulted.

5) Based on research I've done on the subject I suspect there are no credible studies showing any significant hairloss prevention from any of those shampoos. You might want to check for yourself first if you're interested in buying.

Good points. Thanks!

PS: The Shampoo may have a volumising effect and smaller thinner or "peach fuzz" hairs may lift gradually. I found this many a time using thin to thick shampoos etc, thinking it was new growth.

 

Always gotta take the logics.

That's a very interesting point. Thanks!!

So here's a question, honestly:

What do you attribute the massive number of positive reviews to if people don't have success with them? Before you jump to an answer:

1. Fake reviews? You can screen for those fairly easily on Amazon by ruling out products whose reviewers have only reviewed a handful of products, usually from the same mfr. In the case of the products above, there are hundreds or thousands of positive reviews with very little if any suspicious review activity.

2. Placebo effect? Why then would it hold for some products for so many people, while there are hundreds of hair loss products on there with no such positive feedback? Could it be that all 500-1,000 users are all on the same placebo kick, whereas all customers for less successful products don't suffer from it?

3. Misperception of results? Sort of the same answer as #2. If hundreds or thousands are all self-deluding into seeing results that aren't there, why doesn't it occur for the scores of products with bad reviews?

Not trying to pick fights here, just wondering how you can dismiss such a broad experience base on such a trusted marketplace. You want to tell me all those people are paid or placeboing or blind to their own results?

Hey all! I guess this is a question in two parts. My brother and I have been trying a few of the most highly rated hair loss shampoos on Amazon, specifically in this order:

Phytoworx Organic Hair Loss Shampoo | With Plant Stem Cells for Hair Recovery and Regrowth, Pack of 1: Health & Personal Care

Nexxus Vitatress (along with their scalp creme, which I love):

Nexxus Vitatress Biotin Scalp Creme, 2.1 Ounce :

and Pura d'Or: Organic Anti-Hair Loss Shampoo (Gold Label), 16 Fluid Ounce: Beauty

We have minor MBP/the onset of it, and thought we'd give these a try. So:

Question #1: At first, we saw lots of baby hairs spring up - small, light, and fine. We thought, great, these should grow into more mature hairs, or at least indicate the start of it, and were encouraged. But after months of use with several different ones, that initial growth is all that seems to exist. Is it in fact an indication of things to come? Is it possible these products just give you a little baby boost and then stop dead cold?

Question #2: For those who have gotten good gains off of these (or similar products), how long should we give each one to test? We're currently doing 3 months each, but I don't know if it's sufficient.

Thanks all!

Oh, and as far as "you should use these products instead", I'm open to suggestions but would really prefer answers to the above. We have our reasons for not jumping into other things quite yet.

Thanks again!