Einstein

What is the average person's maximum number of times he can undergo strip procedure? If inbetween the first strip procedure and the last strip procedure he had 2 fue procedures, can he still hav adequate grafts left for the last strip procedure?

I have a really fukced up hair transplant(s) thanks to alvi armani and I cannot keep using dermmatch every single fukcing day to hide it. Thanks to dermmatch for the past 2 months or so I've been able to walk out and actually style and comb my hair although I try to stay a good distance away from people because up close my screwed transplant and dermmatch are both noticable.

I already had fuss so I have the strip in the back already, and I've had fue too so I'm diminished in general throughout the donor area.

With that being said, I think I now want a "touch-up" or a minor procedure(?) so that I can somewhat fill in the empty areas of my hair transplant in my hairline. I've successfully and thankfully have maintained my own hair with propecia, but that's not enough.

I want to go with strip with hasson and wong, but I want to save that for later as am sure I will not be able to do 3 strip procedures due to elasticity issues. So, can I do fue again but not interfere with the donor hairs that i wil use for future strip??? I want to get the most out of my next last and final strip in the future.

Although I need more grafts, I'm looking to currently take care of two specific regions which are directly in each of the right and left corners of my hairline, approx 2 inches in diameter on each side. Can I get away with only 300 grafts in each area?? I just want to denseup a little those areas so that the front row hairs down fall flat making very obvious my hair transplant and the lovely scars everywhere left by armani.

P.S. I returned here after a long time so please don't antagonize me as to why I dissapeared. It was becoming overwhelming for me consuming my brain and time. I was also offered a free touch up along with an appeal topity directly from armani which also made me stop posting. However since he never came through with his free touch up and since I am sick and tired of using dermmatch every day to hide his faults and because I cringe at the very thought of lost 5,000 grafts .... here I am once again.

the one thing i picked up on was that if they didn't want to show the pictures before hand to show you had already had one transplant and then they showed the before pics they actually were trying to pass off 5000grafts as 2500. but correct me if ive misunderstood/ i have taken this from the section below.

 

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Originally Posted by Pats205

You had your first procedure with Dr. Armani in November 2003 for about 2500 grafts with the FUSS technique. You had a second procedure with the FUE technique in March of 2009 for 2,500 grafts.

 

Reply to Pats205 by Einstein

And I was told by YOU (not Armani, I dont even thin he knows) to NOT mention my FIRST hair transplant on the forums. I was supposed to start posting for a few months acting like a regular unbiased poster pushing Armani forward and "praising" his results and then suddenly announce "I have decided to go with Armani"... and then post my results. Dare to deny? Becareful, there is proof.

You gotta love how Pats all of sudden wants to post both my procedures and their dates....................... right after I disclose the hidden fact that I had one in 2001 for the first time :rolleyes:

(Note: This forum is where it started but the mods caught on to it - it would have been here but this forum wasn't up for their scandals and so Armani packed their bags and went to hairlosshelp. Then hairlosshelp's farrell wouldn't tolerate their scandals anymore either and kicked the clinic and their shills and reps out of there too, and now they are hairsite. Lets see how long they last on hairsite after hairsite is mentioned in our legal crossfire. It must be so embarrassing to be getting kicked off from forum to forum - I'd be ashamed personally)

Yes, the deal was not to allow anyone to know that I had a prior hair transplant with Armani for a few reasons:

a) I wasn't an avid poster on hairlosshelp and for me to come in there and start praising armani would make me look suspicious if everyone knew that I was only praising him because I was his patient. No, they wanted someone neutral to show he (i) had no agenda in posting postiive things and pushing armani forward (all the posts are there. simply go to hairlosshelp, search button, and find all my posts).

b) after doing that for a few weeks we were kicked out and we went to hairsite and armani and rep(s)/shills were now way more focused on hairsite as they just lost a source of advertising with hairlosshelp. Again a few weeks or maybe months later I announced I was getting a hair transplant with armani. meanwhile, armani aclinic and i already had an agreement in place and date set prior to me announcing it randomly in the forum as if I "finally narrowed my choice down between top clinics, and chose armani. Hmmm, forum members, wish me luck and I will keep everyone posted with an honest review". BS. It was already guaranteed positive reviews will be posted everywhere regardless of whether or not I had a good outcome. It as a written agreement, man. I was so good at it that people fell for my thread, my pics (tampered with by me, I deserve to be called an @sshole), and my review of my results and the clinic. Every single anti-armani person on the forum had ther mouths shut - THAT's how convincing I was..... aaaaaaaaaallllllllllllll pre-planned my man. So, if anyone knew I had a transplant already once before with armani what makes you think my reviews will be viewed unbiasedly?

c) Because my hair looked like shyt!!!! if people on the forums knew I had a hair transplant before they will ask for pictures!!! You think Armani will allow me to post what my hair looked like? Forum members are going to call me crazy for three reasons 1) "Your 1st hair transplant wasn't a homerun, why the *** would you go to them again?" and 2) "you had 2,500 grafts.... where are they!?!?!? and 3) you're getting 2,500 grafts in your hairline AGAIN!?!?!"... what credible shill would I have been then?

Notice how after all two yrs Pats announces for the FIRST time I had a procedure with Armani back in 2003? :rolleyes: I wonder why..... ooops, cover is blown :eek:

Also i would be very happy to hop on the class action lawsuit with you as ive been waiting for the opportunity for a long time.

WEBSITE SHOWING ALL THIS NOW NEEDS TO BE MADE AND PUT UP. ANYONE WILLING TO HELP PM ME. ALSO ANYONE WITH ANY BAD RESULTS YOU WANT TO SHOW ME SO I CAN ARCHIVE THEM UNTIL THE SITE IS UP ALSO PM ME WITH LINKS TO PICS.

I already know of 4 people right off the bat that will be more than willing to take this that serious. I am also even MORE sure that once a website is up and running announcing "by an attorney" that if you've been a victim of Alvi Armani's hair transplant and feel you've not gotten what was promised to contact us. This will be time consuming, but if he wants to start throwing punches and pouring salt on wounds, then so be it. The only thing I would liek to do first is get legal advise on the legality surrounding the nature of creating such a website first and I won't be able to that this week.

Einstein,

 

I am sorry that you feel unsatisfied but I am afraid you have left some very important details of your story and you are misleading the readers of this forum purposely creating a negative image of Dr. Armani and Alvi Armani.

I see no agenda in creating this up as to be frank I honestly once did think I had an excellent relationship with the clinic until you barked at me for texting you about my concerns because you said it's "charging" you. And the failed replies to my emails to Armani and his clinic and NUMBEROUS voicemails left on their voicemails.

The facts show that you have had an excellent result from your Alvi Armani hair transplant, but you have affected that result by self medicating and failing to seek medical advice.

Nice try. Avodart does not cause "transplanted hairs" to fall out. And the sheds they cause grow back. It caused me sheds in both my vertex and crown severely by guess what? They grew back.

You had your first procedure with Dr. Armani in November 2003 for about 2500 grafts with the FUSS technique. You had a second procedure with the FUE technique in March of 2009 for 2,500 grafts.

And I was told by YOU (not Armani, I dont even thin he knows) to NOT mention my FIRST hair transplant on the forums. I was supposed to start posting for a few months acting like a regular unbiased poster pushing Armani forward and "praising" his results and then suddenly announce "I have decided to go with Armani"... and then post my results. Dare to deny? Becareful, there is proof.

At 5 months post op from your latest FUE procedure you had seen a significant amount of growth from your procedure. Further you went on to post your 5 month photos and told all the Hair Site readers how happy you were with the result.

I was SUPPOSED to post in accordance to our agreement and praise the results I had. You notice not a SINGLE one front before shot exists? Why? because you said "peole will be able to tell that you had a hair transplant before". THAT's WHY. If I had not gone in accordance to our agreement Armani would sue me for what, like 1 millions dollars, correct? If I told ANYONE about the agreement, isn't it true he'd sue me for $1 million dollars?

Not only you were getting excellent growth but you still had 6 more months to go for the final results to show.

 

This is your own posting at 5 months:

 

“Well here we go. i honestly wasn't going to post any photos but I must admit, I'm beyond satisfied with the results. Quite frankly it's surpassed my expectations. Here they are, both pre-op and post-op. There's no bias here so feel free to ask any questions and I'll answer without prejudice.”

Again, in accordance to our agreement, and your emails to me , i HAD to say my results were good. How many times have you emailed me to make certain posts in certain threads? How many times have you told me to debate someone's post because they were questioning armani? becareful big boy..... emails and texts are al saved :rolleyes:

So as you can see from the photos above and by your comments, your transplant was indeed a success with Dr. Armani and was coming in very well at 5 months.

 

You had sent so many emails to Dr. Armani from you stating how happy you were about the results of your procedures with Alvi Armani.

I as happy with my results at 5 months and the areas that never grew I figured will grow as told by your clinic!!!! And they never grew!!!

And why aren't you disclosing the fact that I since 2009 summer, emailed armani and you complaining? How many times have I nearly "cried" of the bumps/rigids/and scars in my temples and hairline? Why don't you mention those?

Right after I came into this very site and hairlosstalk forum I complained about my hair transplant and you told me IMMMEDIATELY that Armani wanted to see me, like he was the "Don" or something. Armani was seriously angry as to why i made unhappy comments. I got scared because I didn't knwo he'd figure out who I was under another username (they know me as mj2003 in hairsite) and was afraid of being sued for showing I was unhappy. I came back and announced how happy I was and took back everythign I said.

Unfortunately around this time you started self medicating with Avodart (Dutasteride)– as you admit in your own posts (both generic and regular versions) - in an attempt to thicken up your crown. You did this without consulting with Dr. Armani.

 

Buddy I was using dutasteride LONG BEFORE MY HAIR TRANSPLANT IN 2009!!! NICE TRY BY SAYING "UNFORTUNATELY AROUD THIS TIME..." Which ignorant individual is typing this?

 

The drug caused you to shed your hairs. You also experimented with the dosages. It is now a well know fact that Dutasteride/Avodart affects the grafts growth of transplanted hairs in particular in zones 1 and 2 of the head.

 

A well known fact? These are strong words. Please provide medical journals and studies to back this profoundly loud statement of yours that you just pulled ut of your hole.

 

And zones 1 and 2 were ALL transplanted hair prior to my second surgery,,,, did they just decide to pack their bags and leave? I started losing my transplanted hair from my first surgery 2 yrs after the first surgery... care to elborate on that? If my transplanted hairs never fell out from surgery 1 then there would have never been a need for surgery #2.

 

 

Posts by you below:

 

“Glad to hear you've has some success with Avodart. I have had a transplant in the hairline and even posted pics in the hair transplant section. I had amazing results. Since halfway through avodart I lost about half the hairs from my hair transplant in the front - not my native hairs as I had no hairs there prior to surgery. “

 

”Shedding for a few weeks or even 3-4 months is what they're refering to. And even then, it's unknown whether or not it's a good thing or bad thing. My shed has lasted for over 13 months. Obviously not a good thing. I've begun to shed now again, but whether its from Xandrox or not I can't tell. But the biggest mistake I made was using this mother fukcin drug named AVODART!!!”

 

"Not only did dutasteride fail to "maintain" my hair, but it accelerated my loss. My biggest regret was not using finasteride.”

 

“But who knows, my dosing has been a roller coaster ride, and maybe in another year I'll see better results.”

What was I supposed to do? Tell everyone I was losing transplanted hairs because of Armani's HT surgery on me so that I can get sued by the millions of dollars?? That was our agreement. basically I was a pawn and slave. but I got tired and sick of being a minion. And I slowly faded back and stopped pushing armani forward because the guilt was eating me alive that I was putting others in the same shoe I was currently suffering. And once I got legal advise that your agreement was outright FRAUD - I came forward.

To state you had 5% growth from your procedure with Dr. Armani is an outright lie. Your growth was above the expected standard – as show in your 5 months pictures - until you started self medicating with Dutasteride/Avodart.

You are correct in 5% may not have been accurate. How about if I say I got 99% yield will that make you happy? Ladies and gentleman, I appologize for making a wrong assumption on the percentage of yield I received in stating it was 5%.

All i can say is...... let my soon to be pictures posted do all the talking :rolleyes:

You recently contact the clinic and sent in the below after photos stating you were unhappy with your result. You took these pictures after you stopped using Dutasteride/Avodart.

if that's whats going to make your entire clinic sleep better at night, then go ahead... you just keep blaming it on dutasteride. Heck, lets just say my bumps on my temples and hairlines are from dutasteride as well. As a matter of fact, I've been getting terrible diarrhea lately, damn dutasteride :eek:

Even in the below photos you can see the growth and improvement that you had despite the shed you received from Dutasteride/Avodart.

Pls, don;t hand pick and DARKEN photos you photoshop master. Allow me to post real pictures. Further to that I invite ANYONE to meet me ANYWHERE in Ontario at MY expense provided you share all over the forums exactly what you perceive of my hair transplant results.

It is sad to see that you have come out with all these lies against Alvi Armani and Dr. Armani, despite the care and goodwill that we have given you, but we have no choice but to discontinue our relationship with you and address your defamation via the legally available routes.

All these lies? name a single lie... i dare you. If you can name a single lie I would stop posting.

Care and goodwill? You've been nothing but an a-hole lately because you were tired of hearing me complain about my results, and you were upset I was not "advertising" Armani on hairsite for you. Goodwill? Ignoring my emails by the surgeon himself??? Lying to me that Toronto Clinic is still operating (yes I have that email) yet a few minutes prior to telling me that you emailed someone else saying it's shut down? Dude, you have your wolrd in a jar of pain because your emails will do all the talking... not me.

"we have no choice but to discontinue our relationship with you and address your defamation via the legally available routes" - Seriously? You think I want a continued relationship with your clinic? Are you kidding me? I was already offered a free touch-up in Armani's LAST email to me.... REJECTED.

I hope to GOD you pursue this matter legally. You will save me tons of money and time of exposing yourselves.

Btw, PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE SHOW ME DEFAMATION =)

When I showed a lawyer the contract I signed with Armani where it states that if I tell anyone about this contract Armani will sue me, or I will be liable to pay $1 million dollars or more, something to that figure. I don't think Armani was aware that that was unethical and outright fraud!!!

Sign this agreement and if you tell anyone about it I'll sue you!?!?!?

Pats I knwo you didn't write that letter because fact of the matter is you couldn't write a single grammatical error-free sentence if your life depended on it.

Bring your BS defamating lawsuit forward.

"Give them enough rope, and they'll hang themselves".

As a matter if fact, whether or not you bring you decide to threaten ME with your mickey mouse tactics, I think I'm going to go ahead and Sue Dr Armani. How do you like them apples?

Surgeon sueig patient for coming forward with garbage surgical rights - lets bring that into the media why don't we?.

Do you have any CLUE how easy it will be to form a class action suit? Easy as pie my friend, easy as pie. Now if you'll excuse me, I shall finish what you started and begin posting email transactions

SO my hair transplanted hairs fell out as a result of Avodart? I guess evey failed patient of Armani was on Avodart as well lmao

I think it's all in your head bud

I can't speak for them, but I've personally ordered from Buy Proscar (Finasteride) 5mg Generic Online Now for the past few yrs with success always, and they're prices are usually the lowest. One time my order got lost in mail and they shipped me another order at no cost. But due to extreme tight custom border control we have here in Canada they no longer ship to Canada. They ship everywhere else.

Provided you are fortunate enough to get a thick looking result, then your results will not look see-through, TEMPORARILY. 1) if your hair transplanted hairs begin to fall out in the latter yrs then it will look see-through, 2) if your native hairs takes its genetic course and begins to fall out then your transplanted hairs will look see-through. I'm an example of both.

Once you get a HT be prepared to chase your hairloss with more hair transplants. This is why future "planning" before your first procedure with your surgeon is so darn important. Approach your first hairtransplant as if you were going to cover your entire top with future hair transplants.

I'm willing to send all my pics to Bill if he can crop my face out and post them for me? lol

I have to crop them and resize them so that they can fit here, Sparky (time consuming but I promise to get them done asap).

Stingray nice to see you're still around. How many grafts to you get from Bisanga for your repair? I remember your pics, mine is about 10x as bad =(

Can anyone with knowledge in the medical field confirm whether or not there is any befefit to taking both saw palmetto & propecia together?

Redness is a 50/50 chance. Some say their redness went away some say it hadn't. I referred a relative to Armani (huge mistake damnit) and his redness is still there - going on almost 3 yrs now. However, if you're lucky, your hair may turn out thick and be enough to hide your redness.

But you have to wait and see. There's nothing you can do at this point. Even Armani's mickey mouse clinic will tell you to wait at this point.

Edit: I just opened one of your pics.... is it me or does anyone notice his donor region taxed?

Kaliber, stick with your current regimen and for the love of God don't stop it unless sides are untolerable. You should start seeing postive results from months 4-6 onwards.

Btw, I find it strange you have a near bald spot dead center your vertex. In your hairloss pattern it looks as if you will keep receding from the front towards the back if it were to progress, or thinning from the crown outward and eventually meeting with your front. Eitherway, stick to your regimen.

Shedding/hairloss, what's the difference? If you're asking if it's a shed due to your 2 week finasteride and minoxidil treatment then no, I very much doubt you'd experience a shed to that degree that fast.

Ark, you are really too early in the game to be going paranoid over your growth regardless who the surgeon is. You must give it at least 8 months for you to determine which direction you're headed to the least. It's actually going to thin out even more because I doubt you've undergone your expected normal shed yet. But they will grow back - just wait bud.

I can only speak for the bumps at this point as I can guarantee you they won't go away.

I will post my results in another thread but you cannot base your case on mine or other's, that would be premature.

Well, while I don't wish to hijack this thread, I will tell you that I actually think my case is pretty bad too. I took many pics which I haven't really found the time to crop my face out of so that I can post them. I am also going to be going as far as having my website designer build me a website strictly for myself and all those who have been butchered by Armani also to inform the public. In North America we have a freedom of rights and the freedom of speech to which no surgeon in the world can take away from us, not even through threatening lawsuit letters. They will be brought to light.

I'm bumping this old thread - is Chanyouzhe still around or did the BS lawsuit letter from Armani to try and shut him up scare him away?

Chanyouzhe and others... you guys still around? I haven't been here in ages

Keep a close eye on my posts/threads. I'm about to reveal corruption and fraud with Alvi Armani's clinic and his bullshyt reps and tactics.

As far as your pimples on the temples and hairline goes, they're there for life. Armani's patients are well known for having those same rigids/bumps after a hair transplant. They will continue to tell you what they've told me and everyone else that they will go away, use fucidin cream, go to a dermatologist, they're temporary, etc etc, but they're only buying time. And when you wait and wait and wait like I have been, they're going to say "oh, it's been 2 yrs since your hair transplant. You took some drugs, or didn't take care of it properly and it is your fault". They just did that to me on Hairs*te and banned me for no reason except that I was about to post pics that very day of my butchered results.

I had a yield of about 5%. But you also hav to keep in mind that you won't be able to judge the growth for atleast another 8 months to see which direction you;re headed. But I can 100% assure you those bumps are there for life.

Good luck to you my friend.

Guys,

 

In my personal opinion, I would consult with the prescribing physician (and obtain his or her approval) before changing the dosage of any prescription medication.

99% of people taking Avodart/Dutasteride take via ordering online without prescription. How do you consult with a physician that has never and will never prescirbe it in the first place? Which doc do you know of prescirbes Dutasteride for hair loss???

I've been on generic dutasteride for about 3 months now. I started taking it once a week, now I take it 3x a week. I think it has helped a lot, and I have not gotten any side effects. I was on finasteride for about a year and a half with minimal results.

If I were you i wouldnt increase the dose any more than that. Even a single dose once a week is much stronger than propecia everyday. My results on dut were excellent the first 5 months where I was taking it twice per week.

Yes I was told for some people the hormonal balance will cause a temporary shedding and that for others the hormonal balance will cause telogen effluvium. My shedding lasted for 13 months and everyday I told myself that this was normal. Not only my crown, by my entire head thinned out, even my frontal transplanted hairs.

Now I use a lot of xandrox 15% plus morning and night.

I dropped my avodart dose to 0.5mg to weekly or 2x per week. Now I want to add finasteride and eventually stop dut totally.

Can I regrow what I lost?

I wanted to use nape hair because my hair loss grows and I am sure I will need another transplant in the future. I already restored my front zones 1&2 areas. I want to have a half decent bank od donor availability for the future.

I'll check out the graft calculator thanks.

For whatever it's worth...

I've used dutasteride and avodart for 20 months now and it's done nothing but destroy my hair. if you want to see what it did to my crown check out my pics in the hair transplant section (yes, i now need a transplant in my crown!).

Be sure to use finasteride FIRST before jumping to avodart. I'm not saying it will be as bad for you like it was for me, but leave it as an absolute last resort.

How do I upload images from my pictures on my computer?

<edit> i got it

(Guys, feel free to give your input too pls)

I am looking to go in for another hair transplant. The reason why I am not doing this on a one to one basis via email directly with a clinic is because I`d like the members and readers of this forum to keep steady track and log of my progress as well, and perhaps it will be educationa as well.

What I want is not the thickest of crowns, but enough to satisfactorily cover my crown area. I also want to use the least number of grafts possible.

The area of which I want the hairs to be extracted from is also outlined in the picture. The `real nape` area, (the bottom of the back of the head of the hair, where we usually cut or trim for shape ups).

Please give the approximate number of grafts I may need for decent, but not really thick, coverage. We can talk about pricing when the time is appropriate.

Oh, and this will be FUE, not FUSS.

Thanks is advance.

These are what show the current status of my crown. The hair is not as wet as you think. I just run wet hands and fingers through my hair a little to apply a lot of minoxidil afterwards (makes parting and seeing easier). This is after minoxidil application).

This is the area I`d like the hairs to be extracted from, I have A LOT (more than the average person)of hair in this area, but I shave the area for grooming purposes. SO minimal scarring is crucial!