GraveD11gger

So sorry, my bad, got it now.

So, who is your owner you allow to assist?

Pup,

All your comments are true and I appreciate your efforts with KO, it does not matter.

Just I am asking you,is that possible to change your avatar, your picture. Speaking with a whelp gives me a strange feeling, I prefer to speak with your master, where is he? In congress?

Respect your comments as usual.

Just to remind myself to you, waiting your reply in other thread- the unnamed one.

I want to start a thread where we can detail poor results from all docs, including site members, in order to provide balance to the clinic posted photos. Is that in accordance with the site's rules?

There will be hell broke looses then and this network is possibly be banned/closed.

Stop Propecia and concentrate on more positive things. What about to find an examples of the best, honest, accurate, transparent results from the physicians/clinics regardless they are paying here or not.

One thing these forums have helped me realize is that surgery, should be a last, last, last resort. Even using online results, and going to the best, a terrible outcome is always a possibility. Lorenzo, Konior, Feriduni, Hasson, whoever -- it's always possible. The state of the art is just not consistently there yet.

 

This thread highlights that patients with poor outcomes need a way to be able to post their experiences online without fear of legal repercussions.

 

Doctors respond that they can be 'extorted' by patients threatening defamation with reviews online, as the patient posting the bad review does not have their livelihood threatened. I've even seen forums end up becoming legal targets in really ugly scenarios.

 

But this excuse is obviously what a bad surgeon would hide behind, and makes it difficult to distinguish them from good surgeons with bad patients, especially if the patient is eloquent or internet savvy. The confusion is compounded by the fact that many surgical personalities tend to be the type that do not readily admit mistakes.

 

Bismark;

You are a real guru, you should carry this message to all threads of this network.

The main issue is not posting, lets say insufficient results not bad, this kind of results by the real hair loss sufferers. The following disgraceful comments, unrelenting attacks, insults, reflecting discredit upon the physician/clinic by the other other members might be the matter for legal issues and should be avoided.

I think, people who follow the network's threads are smart to evaluate the results provided. Idiots only might need an extra advices on their decisions for what to do/where to go, which constantly are given by some posters.

Hair caliber can not be measured, and is very trivial matter for HT. There is no practical value of it.

Just the hiar physicians who like advertising use such a bright words to confuse the uninformed or misdirected people/hair loss sufferers.

NOTE: Generally speaking, there are many exceptions; people from the north parts of the world (Scandinavians, Englishmen, Americans, Caucasians, blonds) are always better candidates for hair transplant. They may even go high NW hair losses, but their donor areas have higher capacity/potential to give grafts safely. Although hairs' caliber is generally thinner at those races, results are much better for the density and natural appearance

Originally Posted by BUSA

6 months is way too early to be gauging a HT success. chit, many don't grow till 9-12 months fully. and some up to 16 months.

BUSA,

Your comment is impressive and one of the best in this network. Just I will add an easy proposition:

Everyone who had HT should wait patiently up to 16- 18 months after the operation to see the overall end result. And the others should be supportive for him.

Proof: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/174447-4000-fue-grafts-dr-maral.html

You should carry your message to all threads of this network...... - to help the hair loss sufferers.

I think this is a half truth at best. Yes, patient characteristics do mean a LOT when it comes to results, but it would not be accurate at all to say that results are not physician dependent.

Yes of course. Just the fact that, here we are talking about the results of one of the world class/recommended physicians of the network. A poster called KO tries to stain Dr. Mohmand's name in another thread using just one example from him.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172287-my-progress-dr-maral-25.html

Very nice result for one session of FUT HT. I think this hair loss sufferer will go to second session of HT for coverage of top-crown areas, treatment has not completed yet.

Due to the closure of the strip wound and approximation of the wound edges, the donor area seems to be reduced (from top to back direction) and the top-crown area seems to be enlarged. But of course, pictures might be misleading in this respect.

Congratulations for this nice, natural result. It also proves that, the results are generally patient dependent (patient's charactheristics), not physician dependent.

Nice result, and very informative presentation for the members. I think the results of HT operations should be evaluated at least one and half year later, not before -especially in men with older ages and long-standing hair losses.

The patient has partial NW5 hair loss, since he has many good-quality original hairs over hair loss/transplant area, so I wonder if one session would be enough for coverage if he had total baldness over the same area?

What was the size of the strip?, Lenght and width? (for 3700 grafts)

I suggest clinics' FUT presentations should also show the picture of the strips and immediate post-op pictures of transplanted and donor areas. FUE physicians commonly provide this information.

Hi KO,

I think Propecia has not worked much on your head (maybe only side effects?), and you are about to go hair transplant.

Since you have very generalized hair loss/thinning in all potential areas of hair loss, I think no need to wait more, and you may get first session of HT in soon time. I think better for you to get about 4000 grafts over those large area, and in future you may get one more session to increase the density more. Nothing to loose for you with HT now.

I do not know whether you will prefer FUT or FUE, but, as a senior member, you know that only very long FUT strips extending from one temple to another (measure yours, it should be about 35 cm) can give about 3500-4500 grafts.

I will rate your donor areas later for FUE. If you consider for FUT, you may get some useful information here which I obtained it from one of the objective forums of HT:

(link removed by moderators)

As I mentioned earlier, hair transplant surgery is considered a cosmetic procedure and it?s unlikely that your health insurance covers it. This means that you have to do it with your own money. What is important here is that the doctor explains all the costs to you.

As you can probably imagine, the cost depends on how much of a balding area you have to cover, how much the surgeon is and whether you opt for FUE or FUT (strip method).

You are probably familiar with the term ?graft? but do you know what it actually is?

A graft is just another name for a follicular unit. On average, each follicular unit? has between two and three hairs. That means 3,000 grafts, on average, will produce between 6000 and 9000 hairs and most UK surgeries charge between ?2 and ?5 per graft (FUT method) and between ?4 and ?10 (FUE method). That means 3,000 grafts, on average, will produce between 6000 and 9000 hairs. Now multiply the cost per graft and the amount could be anywhere between ?6,000 and ?30,000. It is important that you understand what is happening here as some doctors will try different techniques to attract patients to surgery.Your surgeon will tell you the number of grafts that is required. You?ve probably worked this out for yourself but obviously the larger the balding area, the more grafts are required and the greater the overall cost for the procedure.

In my personnel case, I had 2000 follicular units transplanted using the FUT method (which yielded approximately 5000 hairs) at a cost of ?4000.

Don’t let yourself be deceived concerning costs. One way is by making the cost appear less than the actual amount. Sometimes single-hair grafts are needed for the frontal hairline. What some doctors have done in the past is to split the two-hair grafts into two, single-hair grafts. They then also split a four-hair graft into two, two-hair grafts thereby raising the number of grafts required and the overall price. Question the doctor concerning this..

Another all-too-frequent technique is where they make the initial estimate low and increase the number of grafts afterwards and then end up charging you more.

It is vital that your doctor explains to you the number of grafts required and the actual counting process of the grafts. Then you are crystal clear about what is required and what the costs are.

Always remember, if the initial estimate he or she makes sounds too good to be true, then it probably is; find yourself another doctor.

The total cost of the transplant is a very important factor in determining whether or not to have the procedure: it?s your hard-earned money! To ensure you get the best, you need an honest, qualified, professional doctor who can be trusted to do this for you. Any surgical treatment is permanent and there isn?t any room for error; it is important that you choose the right doctor.

 

Apples and watetmelons

Agree, just the point is KO has never asked such a pictures from him or from anybody else and has never brang an apple although I have asked him many times. He always omit.

Can you provide an apple? (see the another's pre-op pictures first but, and please provide an apple after one session of HT)

I actually think the OP has been back for a repair from the clinic and is now presenting it as final result. It's a bit naughty if this is the case.

That's just my opinion and if this is genuine then it's the first case of it kind I have seen in seeing thousands of results.

In any case the main thing here is the patient is happy and i am happy he got there in the end.

Hi Balding,

Agree, happy patient means perfect result, this is the most important determinant to assess the result of any hair transplant.

I also share your concerns; however, first I want to ask Another more politely on behalf of you? (before blaming him and the clinic)

NOW; Another, is this your result after one session of hair transplant in Maral Klinik. Did you get any more session up to now? Was your hair transplant recovered?

(Needles to say, if this is just after one session, because of his NW6 hair loss with complete baldness over hair loss areas, this will not be the final result and we can expect one more session to cover upper parts and top-crown areas.)

KO:

Go to this thread and ask for the upper-top views, even for the shaded ones. It is 7500+ grafts transfer in 4-5 sessions and we can accept the treatment was completed. Then we will compare that result with Another's. Go quick, be honest and fair one time in your life.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/171595-my-repair-almost-complete-w-pics.html

Delancay ,

I agree with you. All smart bargainers of hiar transplant business are flat, fishy and rather expensive. We should avoid them and find a true and trustable native hair transplant surgeons.

You must admit that fraud cannot be uttered as a characteristic of a whole country but as the characteristic of individuals. If you are as smart as you seem, you can easily differentiate who is fishy from who is responsible and steady. Just follow me, now.

Here are some examples of fishy hiar transplants from different countries:

from US: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176690-i-also-butchered-colorado-surgical-center-hair-institute.html

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176626-miserable-experience-terrible-results-cschi-colorado-surgical-center-hair-i.html

no need to mention about ....... branching business system, everybody knows http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176044-bosley-dr-nancy-shannon-devastating-results.html

from Ireland: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176760-15000-euros-7yrs-later-result.html

from Belgium: Cueball has provided already, thanks to him.

Wanna more? Or will you find for yourself? Will you bring the other fishy business from other countries. But provide certain evidences like I have done now. Do not pelt someone with mud. Mudslinging is one of the main problems of posting here, you are senior, you should have learned to speak with supporting evidences up to now.

As usual, with Maral threads, all I see is a lot of bickering and not many results...why is that?

KO is waiting to see the results, still asking questions that he knows their answers now because of you and similars of you.

So Dr Maral didnt do any of the extractions, didnt make any of the slits, didnt plant any of the grafts?

What was he doing? Out playing golf?

Good luck!

What an aggravated assault is that....

Cueball, unless you say you are sorry, this post will follow you in every thread you post. Good luck to you. Note that there is no golf area in Istanbul, even none in Turkey, this should be Feriduni's expensive hobby.

This pratfall should also teach a lesson to the sinners who (content removed by moderator) blatantly in all Maral's threads.

http://http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/172563-fue-2927-fu-dr-feriduni.html

Did Dr Feriduni not carry out even one extraction himself?

No, Dr. Feriduni didn't do any of the extraction himself. He oversaw the whole process, coming in at regular intervals to check on them.

hey Hunting4bison,n please tell me how much it cost to go to belgium and do the fue + tickets+hotel

I'm planning Turkey but Belgium it's closer and speaks French too, easier for me

Hey mate, it cost about 13,000 euros give or take. One night in a hotel is paid for by the clinic, I paid for a second night which cost 100 euros.

Thanks for the info Hunting, So I think I have no other choice than going to Turkey which is the closest one based on my budget.

Checked the blog but there has been no update with photos since the second week, why bother creating a blog in the first place?

Hi Guys,

I am a friend of Linkk. I referred him to DrMaral, I had my hiar transplant in Maral Klinik about 1 year ago and my result is almost completed.

I believe that Maral's real patients, Johnboy71, Sj14, Linkk, Sanglee, know where to find the others who posted about their genuine experiences with Maral. All in the section of Hair Restoration Results Posted by Patients or in the FUE section (do not believe the reality of all posts except Maral's, hiar physicians frequently post in this sections as well:)

You the guys KO, Loags79, 1978Matt, Cueball35, Peterjs, really wanna see one of the Maral's best result? I will show myself if you want.