Mickeydw

Wow, What a transformation! Looking good buddy! 👍👍 

Wow! That’s some impressive hair coming through!!

Hairs Looking the goods buddy!!👍👍 should be a home run next few months! 

17 hours ago, Cap88 said:

Konior, Hasson and Wong, and Shapiro are top FUT doctors. I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I'm familiar with. I think Dr. Feller, Bloxham and Cooley are pretty good too, but I haven't done that much research on them.

If you do another big FUE session your donor area is most likely gonna be done, but if you opt for FUT you're still gonna have areas above and below the scar to take from. It's pretty simple math. Plus, FUT is cheaper if money is an issue for you.

Might have to go the Bruce Willis look then cause I’m not willing to do a FUT. 

On 4/3/2019 at 3:08 PM, Kiwi Guy said:

Is this doctor still recommended on this site?

I don’t think that he is? 

Thanks for the advise guys. Not really a fan of FUT and that big scar you get at the back of your head as I usually like a #2 at the sides. 

Its a hard decision trying to pick the correct Dr for my case. All I can do is research and study cases and results on here. 

Not that I’m keen on FUT, who’s the top 3 FUT Drs and top 3 FUE Drs? 

Work looks good,  I’ll be following your journey! 

I also remember Dr Hakan going over my head before the FUE surgery and he said I’d get close to 2000 Grafts.

Then at the end of the operation I was informed I got 4000 plus grafts?! 

Strange I thought, I’ve seen people on here get 2000 grafts and it looks like they got the  same amount I got? 4000 + FUE grafts apparently. 

Hard to find honesty these days I guess especially when your in a forien country you can be easily taken advantage of. 

Food for thought for yas! 

I’m also possibly considering to try scalp micropigmentation. Smp, if there’s anyone that has some thoughts on that? I’d like to hear it. 

Thanks 

I tired finasteride but experienced  some sexual side effect so I stopped taking it straight away.

Im 36, yeah only Dr Hakans assistants was putting the FUE hairs in. Hardly seen him at all durning the procedure.

i’ll  be definitely doing more research this time round before I take the next HT Plunge! 

Whats the going rate per graft for a top FUE Dr these days? 

Hi guys, it’s been awhile! Well thought I’d update my hair status! 

Hair seems to be getting quite thin again especially in the frontal third where I had the transplanted  hairs (4065 Grafts 8355 Hairs) see attached pic below! 

I’m  considering another HT in maybe a year or so. 

Temple hair still looks pluggy to date, I wouldn’t go back to turkey again for a HT.

also my crown aka the black hole is starting to go! Looks like my hair is doomed! 

Updated pics below! 

Work looks nice and clean! I'll be following this!

There is a reputation amongst Turkish clinics of the doctors spending little actual time with the patient during surgery, and with some clinics, the surgery is done almost entirely by a team of technicians. When you get a low price HT, you have to give something up, and often times that is the attention of the physician who is supposed to perform the HT.

 

With all HT doctors, including all of those in the U.S., their focus seems to be on how to maximize their time, which often means working on two patients at the same time, while instructing their technicians on how to proceed. Out of four different doctors I have seen for work (three of them to repair the work of the first one), 3 of the four were working on other patients at the same time they were working on me (the exception was Dr. Konior, who is often booked months in advance, and one of the reasons for this is the individual attention you receive from him)

 

If this is the way business is conducted in Turkey, the end result is not going to be good for the patient, because it is likely that, over time, these doctors will begin to spend even less time on each patient, and work simultaneously on more patients each day, in order to maximize profits.

 

In the end, you get what you pay for.

pretty much sums up my experience with Dr Doganay, He was there for the first few min of the operation then after that it was all the techs work.

I didn't go in there expecting the techs to be doing all of the work pretty much

now it seems like I have to go for another HT which I'll be picking more carefully this time.

How many times does it take for a Doc with bad reviews on this fourm to get kicked off it? or are they paying this fourm too much for them not wanting to take them off?

Id like an answer to that who ever moniters this fourm??!

Email from Dr Hakans office yesterday below,

"Thanks for the reply.

How can my HT be a success when the transplanted hairs have clearly fallen out?

The full result for a HT can be seen in around 12 months, and transplanted hair keep getting thicker until around 18 months. Once hair grow back and the patient is satisfied with the result after seeing the full result, this case and operation are successful. The most important time for a HT is after the shock loss since transplanted hair may not grow back due to unsuccessful operation or some other reasons such as health problem, not taking care of hair, etc.

Compared to before the operation pictures, you have a succesful result, but based on the pictures your emailed, it seems that there is a hair thinning problem. can we learn whether you are loosing native hair or transplanted hair? Normally, transplanted hair do not fall out, but if they do, they would do on the donor area, too.

why is my right side temple pluggey and looks unnatural?

This could be due to lost of hair and thin hair might cause unnatural appearance.

Lastly, we are willing to help, please allow us to solve if any problem comes up.

All the best, "

I don't agree with what they are saying about how my temple is pluggey from loss of hair as it was

always like this from day dot when they transplanted the hairs it just didn't look

right then and it doesn't look right now either. :rolleyes:

Mickeydw, this is NOT good. That means that Dr. Hakan did not tell you the truth in person when you specifically asked about the issue. It also seems he is structuring his answer to shift blame off of him. They did tell you in your message that they are following this thread on the forum. It appears they are trying to now give an answer to refute what people have thought might be the cause of the problem and thereby shift the blame off of them.

 

Not being honest is a big deal breaker for me ...PERIOD. I can understand an honest mistake or a subpar result that results from the risk a HT provides. I certainly don't blame you for not wanting to go back to that place nor to the same doctor that caused the problem and has now replied in this way. Not being honest will break anyone's trust. It seems you asked questions before the surgery which is the right thing to do. That is all a patient can do and puts a patient at the total mercy of the doctor's honesty. Most of the time when doctors offer to do a free surgery over again, people commend them for doing the right thing. Personally, I think the right thing to do would be to give them the choice of having a free surgery or money back so that they can seek help elsewhere. Giving a free surgery costs the doctor next to nothing. You seeking help from someone else still costs you a similar price. Only offering a free surgery is holding the patient hostage in a way.

 

If anyone is considering going to this doctor, this thread should be an advertisement for not going there now after finding out the latest details. I have seen people make similar comments to this lately in other threads . I warn people often about Dr. Erdogan based upon what has happened to several people I know and the evidence I have personally seen. As I mentioned before, they did not ever respond to the people in those situations. People see what they think is a good result or two online and can't understand why bad stories and bad results aren't flooding the forums and posted by doctors. They don't want to believe someone could be treated badly or a doctor could be dishonest so they still continue to go forward after being warned. It seems no amount of evidence is enough for them to believe. Based on what I have now learned from this thread, I would recommend Turkey be a place people stay away from for HT's . If you have already been there, consider yourself lucky if you had success. Of course that is my opinion, but it is an opinion I formed from evidence I have seen in the stories I know about.

 

Mickeydw, please update us on how things are going and what your plans are. Keep this thread alive . Best of luck to you !!!!!

Some Money back would be nice, not sure if I've followed a case were the doc is actually wiling to do this!

7Months looks Mickey Mouse! Even at the 4month mark you've got heaps of hair!

This is not a nice read.

I am considering this doc for a transplant myself.

 

Did you consider Dr Bhatti in India also? That would have been closer to you and Australia.

I was thinking about it but I didn't see any good results from him as I wasn't following any cases this was when he was first started

to pop up on this fourm

I'am consdering Dr Bahatti for a future HT as I'll be following some cases of his on this forum.

I'm not sure if Dr Hakan is still a Recommened Doc on here?!

I remember asking the question to dr Hakan if my transplanted hair will ever fall out and he said NO!

this was before the procedure and now they are saying different when my HT hairs actually fall out?! :rolleyes:

I won't be flying back to Turkey for a free touch up either. even though they offered just don't think I can go through another procedure with them again.

Ive got a reply, not that all my questions were answered anyways, here it is,'apparently my HT was a success. :rolleyes:

Didn't get a answer to;

1) why is my right side temple pluggey and looks unnatural?

2) Who am I speaking to?

"Hello Michael,

We have been following your post on the forum especially 8 months to 1 year so that means your procedures was successful... If procedures not success you wouldn't get all hair growth on 8 months...

Dr. Hakan DOGANAY recommend medication such as Propecia 1mg and Biotin 5mg for 6 month because Hair loss might be temporarily After 6 month please update your pictures again we would like reevaluate.... If you need touch up please do not hesitate contact with us.

Useful information If hair from donor area will fall of in future, after transplantation patient will also lose them on recipient area even from safe zone..... If you believe that donor hairs never fall off you wouldn't see people with norwood 6 and 7.

At any rate, please use medication for 6 months or so then let see how your recipient area react.

If you still need another surgery due to thinning on the transplanted areas we can make another FREE transplantation to increase the density. However, it seems that your donor grafts resistance to the DHT is low in the recipient area OR DHT rate is high in the recipient area which is effecting your implanted grafts as well. Hence, the best way is to keep using medicines.

For more information about cycles of Human Hair growth please see below.

Human hair growth

Hair grows in cycles of various phases:[7] anagen is the growth phase; catagen is the involuting or regressing phase; and telogen, the resting or quiescent phase (names derived using the greek prefixes ana-, kata-, and telos- meaning up, down, and end respectively). Each phase has several morphologically and histologically distinguishable sub-phases. Prior to the start of cycling is a phase of follicular morphogenesis (formation of the follicle). There is also a shedding phase, or exogen, that is independent of anagen and telogen in which one of several hair that might arise from a single follicle exits. Normally up to 90% of the hair follicles are in anagen phase while, 10–14% are in telogen and 1–2% in catagen. The cycle's length varies on different parts of the body. For eyebrows, the cycle is completed in around 4 months, while it takes the scalp 3–4 years to finish; this is the reason eyebrow hair have a much shorter length limit compared to hair on the head. Growth cycles are controlled by a chemical signal like epidermal growth factor.DLX3 is a crucial regulator of hair follicle differentiation and cycling. Specifically, colocalization of phosphorylated Smad1/5/8 complex and DLX3 regulate role for BMP signaling to Dlx3 during hair morphogenesis in animal models.[8][9]

Anagen phase[edit]

Anagen is the active growth phase of hair follicles[10] during which the root of the hair is dividing rapidly, adding to the hair shaft. During this phase the hair grows about 1 cm every 28 days. Scalp hair stays in this active phase of growth for 2–7 years and is genetically determined. At the end of the anagen phase an unknown signal causes the follicle to go into the catagen phase.

Catagen phase[edit]

The catagen phase is a short transition stage that occurs at the end of the anagen phase.[11] It signals the end of the active growth of a hair. This phase lasts for about 2–3 weeks while the hair converts to a club hair. A club hair is formed during the catagen phase when the part of the hair follicle in contact with the lower portion of the hair becomes attached to the hair shaft. This process cuts the hair off from its blood supply and from the cells that produce new hair. When a club hair is completely formed, about a 2-week process, the hair follicle enters the telogen phase.

Telogen phase[edit]

The telogen phase is the resting phase of the hair follicle.[12] When the body is subjected to extreme stress, as much as 70 percent of hair can prematurely enter a phase of rest, called the telogen phase. This hair begins to fall, causing a noticeable loss of hair. This condition is called telogen effluvium.[13] The club hair is the final product of a hair follicle in the telogen stage, and is a dead, fully keratinized hair.[6] Fifty to one-hundred club hair are shed daily from a normal scalp.[6]

Hair growth cycle times[edit]

Scalp: The time these phases last varies from person to person. Different hair color and follicle shape affects the timings of these phases.

anagen phase, 2–8 years (occasionally much longer)

catagen phase, 2–3 weeks

telogen phase, around 3 months

All the best

AHD CLINIC's Team "

Thanks for the comments guys! Means a lot to me to get more information even if it's not from the clinic!

CJD, you bring some valid points and info, cheers!

@HTsoon, I was on proscar but stopped taken them as I was getting sexual side effects from the meds! FUT does seem to have more yield but I just can't deal with that scar you get

This is the response I get, :rolleyes::rolleyes:

"Hey Michael,

We will get back to you soon. We have discussed your case, please do not worry we are standing behind our work.

Thanks for the patience.

All the best, "

here's a copy of the 2nd email I sent now, sent clear photos as requested and still not a word

"Yes, that's correct I'm not happy with the result!

It's been well over the 1year mark now and I had this procedure done on the 23rd December 2013! so that's well over 1 and Half year! it's coming up to 2years!

May I ask whom I'm speaking to? as I know this wouldn't be Dr Hakan.

Also why would my transplant hairs fall out? after getting more then 4000 grafts dense pack I wouldn't expect this to happen in the frontal third? unless the hairs were taken from outside the safe zone?

Photos are on the forum which you obviously seen and the pictures are there which I uploaded you can see clear as day that the HT hair is gone!

Can I get a please explain dr Hakan as to why my right side temple is pluggey?

and why have I lost my HT hairs at the frontal third?

was the techs not up to scratch? was it poor workman ship by you?

I demand a timely response as you were quick to e mail me when you seen I wasn't happy on the form but not so quick to reply to my questions as this is my 2nd email I'm writing you!

Sent from my iPhone "

On 30 Sep 2015, at 11:38 PM, Dr Hakan Doganay <info@hakandoganayfue.com> wrote:

I

Dear Michael,

We hope that everything is going well.

We understand that you are not happy with your hair situation and you believe that it gets worse. .

We would like to remind that even if the full result of a HT can be seen in 12 months, we keep following our patients and do our best to help them if they have any problem with their transplanted or original hair after seeing the full result. Therefore, please feel free if you have any question.

We would like evaluate the current situation, so we kindly ask to email us some clear pictures that we can see the situation of hair?

Best

AHD Clinic

still no reply?

Nope, not a word! it's getting beyond a joke now. I've got questions and I'm getting

no answers. :rolleyes:

Very keen to hear a response regarding this! I am a fellow Aussie who was just reading this thread with great enthusiasm ready to book a HT in Turkey and make the dreaded trip but now i don't know what to think.

 

Its such a shame after all the money and effort you spent you didn't get the desire result.

Tell me about it! and $8,000 Euros later, I'd expect a response from them soon as Dr Hakan is apart of this forum and this HT community.

HTsoon look at he's pre op pics there was no native hair in the recipient area to lose

Exacty! there was no native hair to lose!

sounds like you work for dr Hakan HTsoon. I'm still waiting on a reply from Dr Hakans clinic and I've heard nothing back from them as they were quick to reply to me yesterday when they seen I wasn't happy on this forum they quickly emailed me but as I asked to why it looks to seem like I've lost my HT Hairs at the frontale third I get no response.

Can I get a please explain dr Hakan as to why my right side temple is pluggey?

and why have I lost my HT hairs at the frontal third?

was the techs not up to scratch? was it poor workman ship by you?

just an answer to my questions would be great!

Photos? I've seen Dr Hakan and not really impressed with my result as it's coming up to the 2year mark

and I've stated so in my HT Blog.

People should be informed of this type of information as some people might be on the fence to seeing him this would make them jump off the fence