danoush

You made one bad choice of trying to ignore me thinking that I would go away.

Now you are making the second choice of taking this to another route

just like I said, I will not stop:

drochssucks.com is not confusingly similar to your website;

* I have rights or legitimate interests in the name, ???to use it as a foundation for criticism??? of your bad hair surgery; and

* The domain name is neither registered nor used in bad faith.

I did my study prior to deciding what I want to do. and no I will not stop.

You may want to return my call so we can discuss.

Perhaps you want to reread the posts:"i see all top like 98% is empty and there is no red spot"

no red spot means no grafts.

I am ready to fight until the end. even If i have to spend so much more.

It is very interesting that one day you act like you are the best dr ever and the next day you show the true you.

I am sharing my terrible result to the world and I will not stop.

Dr Ochs:

I am sure that you searched other posts and you are aware of your terrible results:

here is another unhappy patient of yours:

"seems like he insert few grafts on the top of my head? not 4000 grafts. when i look at the mirror using another mirror i see all top like 98% is empty and there is no red spot tell me it was any grafts were inserted on my head."

and yet here is another post:"My husband had a surgery with him and the result is terrible. I do not recommend him at all whatsoever."

So what you call RARE is not rare. by the way go to www.drochssucks.com/forum

the forum is getting ready

you said:"danoush

my staff and I have performed over 5,000 procedures in 15 years. they are top notch. again you have suffered a rare complication through no fault of me or the staff"

1- Yes, who else can you blame? Lets not to go to that route. You are not suggesting that you never mentioned that you made a mistake of trying to cover a big area with 4000 grafts?

I wonder why after 15 years you did not know this.

2- You had two opportunities already. So , I regret to say that I do not agree to what you are saying. you already had your chance TWICE. If you want to perform another surgery, you would have to guarantee the result in writing. Otherwise, I simply want to go somewhere else to a Dr. that I can trust

all I am asking you to refund half of the money that I paid you. As you know and as you can see from the pictures, I even look worse than what I was before the HT. So to be fair, you actually have to reimburse the full amount plus the money damage you have done. I am not asking for any of this!!! I understand that you also spent your time and money. The procedure you have done, however, does not worth a penny to me.

Originally posted by dro:

danoush

 

posting about the same negative experience on a daily basis as well as creating a web site about me, will not address your surgical needs. I understand that you are upset but please focus on your hair restoration and not your anger.

Dr. Ochs,

I really appreciate that you care about your patients like this! Unfortunately , there is no way that I let you cut my head again as I am not going to have any idea what am I going to look like after a year.

Based on your reply, I think, that this approach is simply your new way of pretending that you are a good Dr and that you care about your patients. I strongly believe that you do not mean what you are saying here.

Please prove me wrong! If you really meant it , you would not send this email:"> thank you for your offer to settle for a refund for 2000 grafts or 1/2 of

> the initial cost. Unfortunately I am unable to do so at this time.

>

> Also, you have already made blog entries defamitory to my reputation.

> which

> makes settlement useless to me.

>

> dr richard ochs d.o.

> hair restoration medicine & surgery

> 310-666-4334

"

Dr. Ochs,

1- I strongly believe that the poor growth on the first HT was due to an error made by you and your staff as the second procedure was better than the first one. ( while still not good)

2- Unfortunately due to the above reason and due to the email exchange we recently had, I can not trust you as a Dr. anymore. Therefore, another procedure is not an option for me.

I already sent you an email and you said that you can not accept and I am not going to, therefore, accept anything. You may want to call me to discuss this.

I will continue to post and post on daily basis and I will let you know once the forum that I am building is ready. So far, it looks perfect

as you can see this terrible HT , so far, made you to lose more patients.

To remind you, here is what you have done to me:

Originally posted by dro:

Originally posted by danoush:

I just wanted to Dr. Ochs know that from this moment on, I will not accept any form of money, second procedure or anything. I did emailed him a week ago and since he did not reply, I decided to post this also here so he can not accuse me of black mailing him. I will continue sharing my story daily in every website and I will post my website links ( if the moderator here allows it) once it is ready. I am building a forum for those people who had trouble like me and I am dedicating a great portion of it to my experience with Dr. OChs terrible hair transplant.

danoush

unfortunately, your dondor hair did not respond well to your procedures and you suffered poor growth in spite of the number of grafts transplanted. should you ever change your mind I am will to perform a scar revision and another session in an attempt to correct your result.

As you can see per above, he is now offering me new HT session. as you all also know, it was because of this forum and your help that he decided to do another surgery.

I have a question, if you were me, after all this trouble would you let him to do another correction surgery? what would you do?

Originally posted by dro:

Originally posted by Jamesisgoingbald:

Originally posted by danoush:

Please take my advice and choose another Dr.

 

even the best have of surgeons have disappointing results. good luck with your hair restoration.

 

Do NOT fall for his scam $2 per graft advertisement ( which he has now revised to $3 a graft) do not let Dr. Richard Ochs with offices in both Beverly Hills and Culver City take your hard working money and give you the worst result. Research and see what others say about this doctor ( except his associates who had a surgery with him, I am not able to find a single person saying that he did a good surgery) was unhappy with the result.

 

His ad reads:

Hair Transplant

15 yrs experience in Beverly Hills. Free Web Consult 1-866-HAIR-866

 

research and find a good Dr. . You will end up going to another dr and you will end up paying more anyway. why to waste your money then.

please take a look at the picture attached. I paid for 4000 grafts and here is what I received. By the way the picture is taken approximately 2 years after my first hair transplant by Dr. Ochs for 4000 grafts.

 

By the way I have already been tested for possible alopecia and the result was negative. I , therefore, know that this is caused by this terrible doctor

 

Dear Danoush,

 

I was about to call Dr. Ochs for my HT. I also saw his $3 per graft ad online and I decided to do a little search before making my final decision. it seems that I did the right thing. While searching, I came across another person who had surgery with Dr. Ochs. his 5 months posts up pictures are not as bad. I am afraid to do my ht and then look like you. I think that I am going to choose another Dr. Have you done any research to find out a better dr who is not expensive? I thought to ask as it seems that you had a bad experience. I was thinking about dr rassman.

 

I like his website photos. I just do not know if I get the same result If I do my operation with his coly as he charges more

I am not sure about how they do their HT. I just visited their website and the pictures looks more than perfect. but you may want to ask other people. I can not find a single forum complaining about their jobs. So I guess this means that they are not like Ochs.

Here are my suggestion to you:

1- Do not let Ochs do your sugery

2- read what you sign before signing it.

3- I do not know if every doctor makes their patients to sign arbitration agreement. research and if this is not the case, tell your doctor that you are not going to sign one.

4- Do not choose Ochs. so many people with bad experience.

take a look at this :

http://hair-restoration-info.c...881047143#4881047143

Same experience! In fact, identical to mine. Paid him for 4000 grafts and received allot less by Dr. Ochs.

Originally posted by Dr. Brandon Ross:

The cost of a surgery does not necessarily reflect the quality of the procedure. There are a lot of other variables involved. If an office mass-markets themselves, then they will have to charge more per graft to cover those costs. But the marketing and the quality of a procedure are completely unrelated.

 

Geography can also play a huge role. If an office is located in proximity to other offices, then they will likely have to charge a lower fee in order to compete. For example, my Southern California office has a bunch of other hair restoration clinics nearby, and several have outstanding surgeons. Nobody around here can stay in business at $8 per graft, when a patient can get quality work for half that price just down the street.

 

My office charges $3 per graft. That's the same price we charged 8 years ago. I probably would have raised the price to $4 per graft over the last couple of years, but to increase my price during the worst economic climate of our lifetimes seems downright ridiculous. Regardless, my skills, technique, staff, etc. would be the same either way, so an increase in price would have no bearing on the quality of my procedure.

yes, I went to your website and I can tell that your work is great. Unfortunately I did not have the same experience as I paid $2 per graft and my result is terrible. Your website says that you charge more than $3 per graft is surgery is done by you. So is the quality of the job is the same between having the surgery with you or some one else at your office?

I just wanted to Dr. Ochs know that from this moment on, I will not accept any form of money, second procedure or anything. I did emailed him a week ago and since he did not reply, I decided to post this also here so he can not accuse me of black mailing him. I will continue sharing my story daily in every website and I will post my website links ( if the moderator here allows it) once it is ready. I am building a forum for those people who had trouble like me and I am dedicating a great portion of it to my experience with Dr. OChs terrible hair transplant.

Originally posted by Future_HT_Doc:

Danoush, Glad I could be of some small service! I really wish you the best! I was wondering though, have you considered consulting with another physician to see if repair work is feasible?

Not at this point. I may consider doing a surgery later on. I am just so afraid to again pay and get a bad result.

Originally posted by Curious:

It would be interesting to know who the doctors were that gave you the second opinion. I don't understand why you would have a second surgery with Dr. Ochs after having a poor result the first time.

I remember one of the doctor name. his name was Dr. mohebi.

That is because I went to get my money back , dr ochs refused sending me the arbitration agreement copy that I had signed as an indication that I have to agree to what he says. He then offered two correction surgeries free of any charge. He did one of them ( which again the result was terrible)and then he pushed back the second one so the statue of limitation is over.

Originally posted by Curious:

Did you ever get a second opinion from another doctor regarding your poor result?

yes, I did. I went for second opinion a year after my first surgery for 4000 grafts. Those dr. confirmed that only 200 grafts grew and that Dr. Ochs did a terrible surgery.

I am sure that Dr. Ochs reads these posts daily. I just wanted to let him know that thanks to these forums now everyone can find out about my bad experince with this terrible doctor. Google the word "dr. ochs" or "ochs hair" or "$2 per graft" and my experince is on the first page of google. I am not going to give up and even if I have to spend more, I will not give up . I am done with HT for now as due to his terrible result I can not trust some one ( atleast for now). I am , however, so angry about what he did to me.

he simply played with a human being feeling so he can make money. He gave me a terrible result. undesrtandble! that can sometimes happen. it is not , however, undesrtandable for some one to purposley give another person a false hope. He purposley pushed back the promised surgery so the statue of limitation is over.

Originally posted by hairthere:

futureht doc, if you look at the jpeg4 it clearly shows shockloss around the scar area. I agree that this patient had very poor donor and should not have had an HT in the first place.

 

danoush, I pursued a legal case against my first doc, joseph karamikian, via small claims court. It was a huge waste of time. Karamikian never showed his face in court, he simply sent his lawyer. The case was pushed back 4 times and I finally dropped it. After the surgery I did speak with quite a few people who had unsavory dealings with this slimeball--one turned out to be a bill collector who told me he was close to going out of business.

 

The best you can probably do at this point is to continue to share your side of the story without slandering Dr. Ochs. Take care, and again, sorry to see you had to go through this...

Thank you so much for bringing this into my attention. I may also try to take him to a small claim court. After all, he is going to be forced to pay a lawyer to defend himself.

Originally posted by Future_HT_Doc:

Just an unfortunate situation all around! Danoush, gauging the density in your donor zone based on the pictures you posted alone ... it does not appear that you were an 'ideal' candidate for FUT in the first place. You donor area seemed limited and harvesting too much probably helped lead to a less than optimal scar with little to cover it. It's difficult to tell if you have had permanent shock loss, of if you simply suffer from non-pattern diffuse alopecia.

 

If I were in your situation, I would do a few things:

 

1. Try to post a series of photos that show your before, after first procedure, and after second. This will be the best representation of what happened.

 

2. Do some research on THIS site, find a coalition doctor that has demonstrated success in FUT + limited donor area/on non-patterned diffuse loss, and consult with them. I would bet you'd be pretty surprised with the results you could get.

 

3. I don't know if launching a site dedicated to burning the doctor will do much good. It's probably best to see what (if any) kind of refund you can get to put towards the new procedure, and making your peace with it. I also don't know the legality of using the doctors name in the website address, but I wouldn't want you to bring unnecessary legal trouble on yourself during this already difficult time.

 

Good luck, and definitely start with a succinct series of photographs that demonstrate your journey and where you currently are!

Thank you so much for your advice. I did try emailing the Dr. asking for a portion of my money back. he declined and then he accused me of black mailing him.

also, I know it is not any form of alopecia as I have already been tested by another doctor.

I will try to find some forums and ask this question prior to launching the website. While I really do not want to take this matter to this route, dr. ochs does not want to cooperate. Unfortunately he does not think that how many patients he is going to loose as a result of these posts.

Originally posted by Bill - Managing Publisher:

In case anyone is wondering, I did not remove any posts by Dr. Ochs. To maintain a fair and balanced forum for patients and physicians, physicians always have the right to share their input as well. Thus, Dr. Ochs is welcome to post on this thread with his side of the story if he chooses.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

He already did. and then decided to remove it ( after numerous posts by forum members )as there is nothing that he can say as why he did this to me:

here his earlier post:

Originally posted by dro:

this result was unfortunate. I am as disapointed as the danoush. I did not charge his for his 2nd procedure and was prepared for a no cost 3rd. after not returning his calls/emails as quickly as he wanted, he became verbally abusive with my staff and I chose not to go forward. Not every patient can have a full head of hair after hair transplanation. I am only a hair surgeon not a hair god.

You can read the replies by the members on the first page of the forum

dear Folceros,

I really appreciate your post and I apologize that I unknowingly posted a message regarding a class action lawsuit against dr. ochs here.

I do totally understand that this is not allowed here. giving the contact information of the district attorney and the board , however, could not in anyway promote my"own agendas"

is there anyway that I can repost the information here. This way , if some other people have problem they know what they can do.

again I really appreciate all your effort and if in anyway I post something that is not allowed here, I understand if you remove it ( as long as you keep things balanced ( which I believe you do ) , I am totally fine.

Yes, that is the case. I just took the picture and the first surgery was two years ago ( i had another one a year ago).

So here is another reason to avoid Dr. Ochs false advertisements.

Well I have no idea if my hair became thinner after the hair transplant or if it was like this to begin with.

I was able to take another picture from back of my head.

Take a look to see what Dr. Ochs did to me.

Wow Dr. Ochs decided to delete his posts!

Isn't this strange? he is now acting as he does not have any clue what is going on

I have a hard time taking picture from back of my head. I will ask my wife to do it and I will send you a picture later on. I could take a picture from the side. please take a look.

Another friend of mine had a hair transplant with a real Dr. ( Not ochs) and he only cut about 5 inches from back of his head. He , on other hand, cut from left to right and all around of my head

You do not believe if I say that what kind of pain I had to go through during cutting and healing.

I did email you asking for half of the money that I paid because only 1000 grafts actually grew. I do not only post here so I get my money back. I am sharing my experience with people so they do not make the same mistake as me. While the moderator decided to remove the last post regarding contacting district of attorney, I am going to post this in other forums . Obviously if some one has problem and if you purposely give them excuses so their statue of limitation is over, they will need to file complaints.

I have two questions.

1- I just registered the domain name drochssucks.com . I was wondering if I am going to have problem if I actually post my experience there as well. Any comment will be greatly appreciated.

2- when I look at this thread, it only shows the following:"2 posts - 2 authors - Last post: 3 days ago"

is there a reason for this ?

While there is no way that I am going to have another surgery with Ochs, I want to make people aware of this scam . I do know that there are so many other victims out there who are just busy to go after him and I want every one to know about my experience. I do not want some one else to feel as bad I do now.

I really was happier if I was robbed by a thief for the same amount of money. He simply ruined my life. and I can not think that some one else , one day, may again experience the same problem.

I do appreciate all of your comments. Dr. Ochs sent me an email today again. This is the email I received:

"for your information

black?·mail (blkml)

n.

1.

a. Extortion of money or something else of value from a person by the threat

of exposing discreditable information.

b. Something of value extorted in this manner.

dr richard ochs d.o.

hair restoration medicine & surgery

310-666-4334

"

is what I am doing really black mailing? am I not able to share my terrible experience so other people in sick of hair transplant do not make the same MISTAKE of allowing Dr. ochs to do their hair transplant.

Here is what I looked like 2 years after the first surgery of 4000 grafts and few months after the second hair transplant by Dr. Ochs