fredifredo

what's wrong is that we've allowed the controversy surrounding Dr. Maral to continue way too long. Frankly, I am seriously considering preventing all future discussion about Dr. Maral because moderating discussions related to this clinic is taking far too much time and attention away from real important matters.

 

What does everyone think? Controversy surrounding Dr. Bolton and other such physicians stopped after we prohibited future discussion about them. This allowed members to move on and focus on genuinely helping people. Maybe we should stop allowing discussion about Dr. Maral here as well?

Bill, you forget that controversy has been created for almost 1 year by 2 or 3 people, always the same ones (KO Pupdaddy BUSA) not accepting at all that many real patients could write their satisfcation after they experienced a FUE at Maral's clinic .They fucked up 100% of our threads. They influenced you and your moderators so much that one of them ( Blake ) has discredited me and accused me on my own thread that I would post fake pictures and fake informations ! Look at my thread again. After this and my explanation, you still supported him and found his behaviour absolutly normal.

Now you are saying that you want to shut EVERY Maral's patients down, and preventing them to share their FUE story, because of some controversies (always brought by the same members), and because you have a doubt on some I.P. adresses that doesn't concern any of the 20 Maral's real patients ? Are we responsible for this ??

This is so much lack of RESPECT for people who made your website a leader, and a financial source for you, giving much of their time to share their real experiences, without earning nothing except conptemt, and accusations. If your website in only a HUGE commercial link for a short lists of 'recommanded' doctors who accepted to deal a commercial with you, you should write it at the entrance of the forum : that would avoid many of us to lose our time, and avoid all these controversies.

Fred

Bill, I am more than upset and disappointed, reading these accusations. I wonder if you really made what was necessary to bring out the truth, before you engage into such a bad campaign for a honest surgeon and clinic.

1/ How can you explain that Longevita and Maral's representative MikroFUE would be the same person ?? That makes absolutly non sense. You should have a serious doubt about what you say, and you must have been sure before you bring such a huge accusation, that is now carried from here to other international forums like in Germany ! The network in Turkey is not the same that we can have in some European countries or in US. One I.P. adress will not necessarily by attached to one only person / home. As a manager of a huge newtork, how is it possible that you are not aware of this ?

2/ Do you really think Maral clinic would have to create these different profiles, while he had more than 20 actual patients (I'm one of them) who did a thread about their FUE at Maral's ? He didn't need some more ! Would you please check ALL OF OUR I.P. adresses, and attest that we are real people ! And not discrediting our honesty ! We don't earn nothing spending hours to help people on your forum, YOU earn a lot with the amount of connections to your network and what it brings you with advertising contracts. SO bringing a huge doubt about Maral's threads here is, at least , a big mistake, and probably more : unacceptable.

3/As you said Longevita and Maral's representative used the same I.P., you should have seen your mistake. Now I've got to show you another one. You recommanded here a Dr called Karadeniz, who pretends not to work with Longevita or Transmed anymore, and with their methods. Now how can you explain us that he's still referenced everywhere, by very serious websites, and even on the LONGEVITA website himself, as still working with this agency ?? We know that with the methods used there, technicians do the most of the operation, like at Maral's clinic , or Koray Erdogan / Asmed clinic.

SOme proofs :

Staff - 2/2 -

Longevita Cosmetic Surgery - Istanbul - Plastic Surgery Clinic in Fatih - WhatClinic.com

Honestly, the moderation of this website turns into serious troubles, probably after being too much influenced by trolls with bad intentions against Maral like "Pupdaddy" and "KO" for months !

Wake up and answer me please.

Fred.

Graved11ger and all,

 

The problem I have here is that Graved11ger does not share just one IP address with the above referenced posters, but multiple IP addresses. In fact, other than the Longevita account where I found one match (that could be written off as a rare anomaly), Graved11ger shares over 3 IP addresses with the other above mentioned users. Furthermore, most if not all of the above mentioned posters are strong advocates for Dr. Maral and have argued strongly against other Turkish doctors who have been approved for recommendation such as Dr. Erdogan.

 

Graved11ger, this topic is NOT the place for you to promote Dr. Maral. So far I have not heard a reasonable explanation as to why you all share multiple IP addresses with each other. Unless I hear something that makes logical sense soon, I will be forced to suspend all accounts since they are all in violation of our terms of service.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill

 

P.S. I expect all users mentioned in this topic to limit their participation to this topic until this issues has been resolved. Do not post on any other topics.

Bill, I am more than upset and disappointed, reading these accusations. I wonder if you really made what was necessary to bring out the truth, before you engage into such a bad campaign for a honest surgeon and clinic.

1/ How can you explain that Longevita and Maral's representative MikroFUE would be the same person ?? That makes absolutly non sense. You should have a serious doubt about what you say, and you must have been sure before you bring such a huge accusation, that is now carried from here to other international forums like in Germany ! The network in Turkey is not the same that we can have in some European countries or in US. One I.P. adress will not necessarily by attached to one only person / home. As a manager of a huge newtork, how is it possible that you are not aware of this ?

2/ Do you really think Maral clinic would have to create these different profiles, while he had more than 20 actual patients (I'm one of them) who did a thread about their FUE at Maral's ? He didn't need some more ! Would you please check ALL OF OUR I.P. adresses, and attest that we are real people ! And not discrediting our honesty ! We don't earn nothing spending hours to help people on your forum, YOU earn a lot with the amount of connections to your network and what it brings you with advertising contracts. SO bringing a huge doubt about Maral's threads here is, at least , a big mistake, and probably more : unacceptable.

3/As you said Longevita and Maral's representative used the same I.P., you should have seen your mistake. Now I've got to show you another one. You recommanded here a Dr called Karadeniz, who pretends not to work with Longevita or Transmed anymore, and with their methods. Now how can you explain us that he's still referenced everywhere, by very serious websites, and even on the LONGEVITA website himself, as still working with this agency ?? We know that with the methods used there, technicians do the most of the operation, like at Maral's clinic , or Koray Erdogan / Asmed clinic.

SOme proofs :

http://longevita.co.uk/staff/page/2/

Longevita Cosmetic Surgery - Istanbul - Plastic Surgery Clinic in Fatih - WhatClinic.com

Honestly, the moderation of this website turns into serious troubles, probably after being too much influenced by trolls with bad intentions against Maral like "Pupdaddy" and "KO" for months !

Wake up and answer me please.

Fred.

Hi tj2014. Welcome ! That looks like a great job there again... I love your hairline, and I believe your density will be very good. Be prepared to face jealous Maral's attackers / competitors, who cannot accept that he offers a great job and an incredible value. I look forward to see the evolution

Be patient, the 3 first months are the longest !

Fred

Bumping a 7 month old thread to share images taken by the clinic is not acceptable behavior for a non-recommended clinic rep. You are more than welcome to comment on these threads and answer questions about Maral Klinik; however, do not share any more images or detailed presentations. This is considered promotional and will only result in moderation.

 

Dear Future HT Doc

I am VERY upset by what you've written here. This is not the 1st time that moderators of this forum show a very partial behaviour. Now you are clearly telling us, that it is not allowed to share real details, real pictures, because Maral's clinic is not a "recommanded clinic" on your website yet ? So it means as long as a surgeon refuse to pay your site and have a commercial deal with you, you consider that the real results, real pictures of the dozen of real patients here, are not welcome, and now not even authorized ?!

I think every people discovering this forum, with the hope to find objective / independant information, testimonies, help and advice, should be very upset too, by these impartial rules on this site.

If you are truly a happy patient of Dr. Maral, why not just share your experience and photos and let the results speak for themselves? There's no use in chastising or criticizing this community, it will get you nowhere.

 

THAT'S THE POINT BILL.

It's obviously not possible for Maral's patients to share peacefully their experience on your website, without being criticized and chastised on and on and on... Every of us, every of our testimonies, always attacked by the same guys : KO, Pupdaddy, petersj (who finally quited, at last !), they just never stop. Cause their aim is that people can't see the good results of Maral klinik, and make our pictures and related experience disappear in old pages, and recover them with their shit and lies.

Now I took a good note that you "do not guarantee the accuracy, integrity, or quality of User Submissions". Readers and real patients will appreciate....

Why are you trying to silence me by running to Bill. Are you saying that Ash1975 is lying?

 

Ash1975 never had any post or drived any thread on his transplantation experience with Dr Maral before. We don't know nothing about him. It's a bit easy -and not reliable- to resume his supposed experience in 4 lines, without any serious telling and any picture, 1 year later. He's kindly invited to do his own thread, with the all process he went through, and with pre-op / post-op pictures; so we can see the work that has been done... that may become interesting.

Who am I defaming? I just asked about a patient experience, in which the patient clearly stated that the employees are hourly workers who finish up very quickly after the doctor goes home while the surgery is in progress. That is not defamation, but stating fact.

 

If this is defamation...given the fact that Maral Klinik is performing surgeries without the involvement of the surgeon likely breaks laws in Turkey.

DEFAMATION AGAIN. How can a guy who never experienced Dr Maral, affirm "stating facts" about him and his work , and affirms he "breaks laws in Turkey" ?? Unbelievable.

Don't you think that's getting too far now Bill ??? Can you validate this ?

KO you lie again and say shit again on Hesediel's post. NOW that is how he described his experience, THESE ARE STATING FACTS :

Dr. Maral appreciated my donor area explaining how, even if my back hair are very healthy and thick, it would be wise to keep a slightly high hairline eventually for future follow up operations, avoiding to use all the donor area. He said my hairloss covers only the front side (with a bit of central thinning), which is not bad compared to way higher NW levels, and I have the possibility to achieve a great result.

 

After a quick undressing (we were given surgical gowns) and a quick shave, I was asked to lay down on my front to proceed with the graft extraction. An assistent (a woman) was "piercing" my scalp with the motor and the other assitent (a man) was picking out the grafts and putting them first on a gauze and then in a petri dish. This process started around 10 am and it was done at 1:30 pm when I got asked what I wanted for lunch.

 

After a quick lunch with doner, I was asked to lay on my back so the same assistent could proceed to start piercing the holes on the front area. This was a very quick process. Seriously, I don't think it took more than 1 hour. Meanwhile, a LCD TV screen in front of me was playing some nice National Geographic documentaries, allowing time to fly faster.

 

After the piercing, the graft implantation begun, which honestly was the most boring part. It lasted from 2:30pm to 5:40pm.

 

 

Today is day 2 and in the morning we've been visiting Dr. Maral, whom took care of our bandages and gave us shampoo/lotions as well as a hat.

My donor area is healing

 

Here are the STATING FACTS. Note that Dr Maral was there day 1 AND day 2. Eight hours of work (from 10am to 6pm) for a FUE don't look like a 'quick finish' but a common professional process.

Fredifredo,

 

Members of this community are welcome to share their genuine opinion and experiences good or bad. Moreover, defamation only applies if what someone is saying is knowingly false.

 

That's the point, Bill ! What is affirmed there is knowingly false:

So Dr. Maral is not even on the premises while his technicians complete hair restoration surgeries!?!?

 

First we learn that Dr. Maral "supervises" all aspects of the FUE surgery, which his technicians perform from start to finish. Now we learn that the good doctor heads home for dinner while his (hourly rate) technicians are still operating on patients. Some supervision! And, apparently, the doctor's parting words to the techs as he heads out the door are "finish up quick," so he won't have to pay them for additional hours of work. The shady practices of this clinic become more and more alarming.

What a dozen of patients wrote in their own thread here, prove that it is not true. Dr Maral was here when the team had finished my transplantation, and he checked everything was OK on my head. I never felt that the techs had to "finish up quick", I even wrote it was a long day for me, especially the last part, when the techs do put the grafts one by one into the recipient area. At last, pretending "so he won't have to pay them for additional hours of work" is a huge invention, coming from nowhere... attacking not only the great work of this team and Doctor, but also his morality. That is juridically called DEFAMATION.

And I just don't understand how you can tolerate this on your site, when the people who practice defamation have been already asked to stop, and still go on, again and again.

Who are you to to accuse me of being a "marketing or salesperson"? You just signed up last month buddy. Some of us have been posting on the forums for a long time, and you will find that nearly all of the longtime members despite their differences on doctors, FUT/FUE will agree on this.

I am a honest patient, who signed up here 1 year ago, not 1 month ago, who really EXPERIENCED a FUE with Dr Maral and his team, and who would like to share his story like a dozen of people here, without being agressed every time by you and another few dumbs, who NEVER EXPERIENCED nothing with this Doctor they're shitting about. Get out of our threads.

So Dr. Maral is not even on the premises while his technicians complete hair restoration surgeries!?!?

 

First we learn that Dr. Maral "supervises" all aspects of the FUE surgery, which his technicians perform from start to finish. Now we learn that the good doctor heads home for dinner while his (hourly rate) technicians are still operating on patients. Some supervision! And, apparently, the doctor's parting words to the techs as he heads out the door are "finish up quick," so he won't have to pay them for additional hours of work. The shady practices of this clinic become more and more alarming.

Absolutly false !

In juridical terms, this is called DEFAMATION.

Again 2 guys who only have bad intentions try to make a reality disappear : the reality is that Hesediel (this is his thread, respect it and respect him) has a GREAT result, thanks to Maral's Clinic. These are the real facts, and they are prooven with clear pictures. People looking for informations and searching for their doctor will find all of this in the previous pages.

Bill, or any moderator of this site, it would be high time to really STOP this attackers, or competitors's marketers. KO and Pupdaddy have gone so much time too far.

What is your website credibility , letting doing this on, and on, and on again, to discredit a clinic and a Doctor who clearly satisfied most of his patients, and we are almost a dozen who experienced it and who write this here? What is the use of doing our threads, and giving a lot of our time to help people, to be finally polluted by this shit ?

Just WOW, WOW, and WOW ! Hesediel it looks like a perfect final result, while it's only the 8th month ! I can't believe it. What a way to answer to bashers

That looks absolutly gorgeous. I'm so happy for you ...

Hello Fredifredo! Thanks for the info. Do you have some pictures?

Here are clear pictures of the before / after. High luminosity (sunny weather, pictures usually taken on my balcony), no flash, no compromise. Please note that it's not over, as I'm at month 10 and it will keep on improving, growing and densifying till the end of the year. I hope this can help you... In my thread you can find many other pictures, and see the evolution. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173220-dr-maral-turkey-3100-grafts.html

Fred

Hi ANother...

Discovering your last pictures... great effect ! I am happy for you. Your pictures are clear and show a big change. It shows that we really need to be patient and wait at least for 12 / 18 months to get the final result. You might be loving your new face :cool:

That shows again that Dr maral is not only good with low grade like me (Norwood 3), but also grade 6 or 7... That's impressive.

I wonder how inceredible it will be if you go for a 2d session

Fred

Hello g1609.

Dr maral does a great job on grade <4. The more success he has, the most haters we can see on this site... Jealousy ? People who never met him, who weren't hair transplanted at Maral's clinic, but still they pretend to know what his work is like. I've experienced with him, and made a clear post with clear pictures. You can check and make your own judgement. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173220-dr-maral-turkey-3100-grafts-7.html

I know That Dr Demirsoy is a good Surgeon too, he has many good results to be seen on several forums.

Fred

Hi Hesedial, I look forward for a new update, and picttures ! Your improvement might be huge now...

Fred http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/173220-dr-maral-turkey-3100-grafts-7.html

Hi Jimmy

I'm happy to see you finally did your transplantation with Dr Maral. Your pictures at month 3 show a nice work... I like your harline, which is low enough. I look forward what it's gonna be like in 6 months ! Keep cool, be patient

Fred

Hi Eric. I personnaly went with Dr Maral, and though my hairline is just a little bit too high for me, I think it's about dealing and convincing him during the pre operation meeting. The fact is that when you are coming with a Grade 3 and more, Dr Maral just can't offer a very low hairline and a good density all over large areas... you have to choose You say you're grade 2 or 3, so you may find a good deal. Good luck !

Fred

Hi another. Sorry to read that, I feel how disappointed you are. You clearly have a problem there. I don't understand why you don't try to contact Dr Maral.... at least by mail, or better : meet him to have a serious check, and possible explanations.

I also suggest that you meet any hair specialist and dermatologist before you go for another FUE, whenever you go : it could help you to avoid a same hair reaction and result... The problem could come from so many causes (hair quality, blood, vitamins lack, genetics, any body reaction, etc) more than from the hair transplantation surgery in itself. Don't you think ?

Be courageous, and good luck. F

Hi Hesediel... you re right, huge improvement, much hair appeared on your previously bald areas... I'm happy for you. How great it will be in September !

"Looks like there's more coming out on the left side rather than the right side": same for me, at month 7 1/2 I still have this difference, on my right side I still have tiny zones were grafts didn't come out. I feel a bit anxious now about it, as I don't have much time left like you have, before it's over for me. Fingers crossed

You will surely have at least 2 more months of growths... maybe 3... Enjoy your summer without thinking too much of it, and you ll see the result in september

Hi another. Did you finally try to show the result to Dr Maral...? And what did he say about it ? Any hope of a solution from him ?

OK now it really started here !!! Not kidding anymore

I'm happy for you Hesediel... I find your new hair quite thick for a 4th month, mine was much finer.

I have the same problem with the different growth rates, don't worry : at month 7, I still have some hair growing up 3 times quicker than others. It will all become regular in a few months I guess.

Fred

Hello "another"

Looking at your pictures juft before and just after the transplantation (where we can see all the scars/ implanted grafts); and at the final result now, it's difficult to understand... there are clearly a lot of hair that didn't come out and grow llike they should have. Could you meet Dr Maral again ? What is his explanation about this ?

Any specialist analysis ? Dermatologist, surgeon, etc...

I sincerily hope you will find a way to go thru.

Fredi

Hi Hesediel !

I'm so glad to see you back... I really am.

You're right at the beginning of a big growth... believe me, the next 2 months many things will happen on your head Your hairline is nice, now that's gonna fill up and thicken everywhere.

Look forward to see what's next

fred