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Abhinay Singh, 

What the hell are you writing ???  Have you read the text yourself before posting here? Though the results look good, your write-up definitely makes the clinic look bad. If writing in English is not your forte, let someone else do the job for the clinic. 

Badresults, 

Don't go with Dr. Bhatti for a repair procedure. This is not the first time Dr. Bhatti produced a complete failure result. Though the clinic may blame it on the "x factor" or patient's scalp condition, I believe the true reason may lie in the procedure itself. Oftentimes users here don't examine enough number of results posted by patients of a particular doctor before deciding on him. They simply get carried away by the recommendation on this forum or patient representatives speaking highly. 

If you are of Indian ethnicity or would be comfortable with a doctor in India then I suggest you to check Eugenix in Delhi for your next procedure. I believe their DHT technique is fail proof due to relatively short out of body time for grafts. I haven't seen any failure cases from them so far.  You still have a plenty of donor hair that many of us desperately wish for. I am positive that with a reliable doctor, your frontal part could be restored with good density.  Though your luck with HTs had been not that good so far, hope the third time is going to be a charm. 

12 hours ago, Useless Stuff said:

Thanks for your responses guys. Eugenix seems expensive that Dr. Bhatti. Not sure if it's worth.

I suggest you to spend a lot of time researching results of Dr. Bhatti and Eugenix, especially the ones posted here by individuals with regular updates. Just because a doctor is recommended here and his patient representatives are vouching for him doesn't mean he is the best compared to all others. Besides, you should also consider whether a doctor had any total failure cases. FUE approaches of Dr. Bhatti and Eugenix are quite different, especially when slits are made, out of body time for grafts and using implanters vs forceps etc., that could result in significant systematic differences in results between the two clinics. In the end all that matters are results, regardless of who does the procedure, business practices etc. Having been doing research for almost about 8 years I am convinced that Eugenix produces consistent and superior results compared to Dr. Bhatti. I feel that Dr. Bhatti's approach of using forceps in graft implantation is traumatizing and reduces yield. 

On 5/18/2019 at 10:22 PM, johanchicago said:

You should have had decent coverage for the transplanted area at least. It is obvious that most of the grafts did not survive. When results don't turnout good, "few people" start pointing out that you have extensive baldness, should be realistic and so on. No such talk comes until the results are presented. Look at some of the large baldness cases done by Dr. Pradeep Sethi, for example the case of a user named "Black panther".  Comparing that case with yours, it is quite obvious where to point a finger. 

 

Dr.Bhatti suggested the number of grafts. He suggested to take some beard but he said I would get decent results with 2500 grafts. That was also his initial estimate for the procedure.

 

 

If your budget is limited and you are okay with traveling to India then you should consider Dr. Pradeep Sethi. Though he has performed limited number of Caucasian patients, his experience in dealing with high norwood cases and giving good density is really impressive. Also, I haven't yet seen any failure results from Dr. Sethi so far. Besides you have a large donor area, and Dr. Sethi could do almost about 5-6 k grafts procedure. 

I think since the patients is very young...he responded very well to medications.  Sure the HT helped as well to add density. Does Eugenix try to use the approach of putting young patients on Finasteride for 6 months to an year and only then performing HT,  if required? A lot of young patients are desperate, rash and don't do enough research before deciding to go for a HT, and HT clinics should advice them appropriately. 

Great results...jsut wondering why your hair is dry and frizzy. Are you using hair fiber spray frequently or something that is making your hair dry? 

Try using Toppik hair fibers with a spray applicator on your hair line. With hair fibers I don't think you would think of having another HT. 

Who performed the surgery? I mean since Eugenix has packages,  with different doctors involvement, which package category was this case? 

Also, I often wonder what are the typical yield percentages achieved by Eugenix? Please let us know, if you have done studies to measure it. 

Well...sort of yes, but that is still not the real top view, as the picture was taken from behind. For real top view camera lens should be kept right above the top of scalp.  Btw...are you using concealers in the post op pictures ? I notice black scalp, in the transplanted region, instead of its natural  color. 

Really...this is the result of a 4000 grafts procedure, that to with FUT where the yield percentages are expected to be nearly 100%. The patitent's top looks still pretty sparse. Very marginal improvement for a such large procedure. 

Thank you for the update. Are you taking hair loss medications as well? 

Melivn...I am here to work for patients interests, by being critical,  and not to do cheer leading for hair restoration clinics. It doesn't mean that I don't appreciate some of the good results produced by them. I am happy to see clinics like them, changing lives of patients, and giving us hope.  At the same time, I do fight against over pricing of HTs by clinics that produce good results, because they think patients are desperate to pay for whatever they charge.  And, BTW, I don't think I commented at all on a burn victim. 

Again...as usual..top view pictures missing. Unfortunately, in the real world, people also look at the tops of our scalps quite often. We can't just get away with posing only few good angles. 

Okay..cool. 

Looks like their reasonable package (INR 75 = $1.08 /FU ) involves Dr. Sethi or Dr. Bansal doing only the slits in "important areas".  The question of what those areas are, or, lets say for a HT of about 5000 grafts, approximately how many slits wold be done by these two doctors is still a question. Looks like they are not going to be doing extractions at all.  For this case I would put percentage of the total work done by them at about 20%. 

Budhair, 

Thank you for your regular updates. I really appreciate your efforts. So in both your first and second surgeries, extractions were done by doctors other than Dr. Sethi and Bansal? It appears that Dr. Sethi and Bansal have only done the slits. I believe technicians do the job of loading grafts in to implanters, and inserting them in to scalp. Please give some details on who actually did what. 

Thank you.   

On 4/25/2019 at 8:41 PM, youngheart said:

Not being rude mate but why cannot patients post the price here. Is the quote different for people depending on their nationality? An Indian got a different price and a person from Europe was being charged different. Dr Bhatti has the price on the website so please if anyone can let know how much Dr Sethi charges per graft. Thanks

Young heart...as I said before pay scales in India are about 1/4th of the US or European countries. So I wouldn't complain if Dr. Sethi charges little lesser for Indians.  With the US pricing standards, no Indian would be able to afford a HT. After all, non-Indians are showing interest only after seeing several HT cases of Indians. With high pricing none of those people would have gone to Eguenix and you wouldn't have had any data to judge Dr. Sethi. So I don't think it is fair to fault Eugenix on their pricing practices.

However, I am still not okay with their price being twice that of the lowest price Dr. Bhatti offers. I  believe such high prices are not justified, regardless of whether they do DHT. It  makes me feel like Martin Shkreli's case, where pharma companies with patents could get away with charging whatever they want. Similarly in this case after showing some good results, I feel that surgeons think they could charge whatever they want.   

Could you please share pictures of top view. You never seem to be showing them. 

Harin, 

With Dr. Bhatti you could get a surgery for about $0.85 = INR 59 per FU. I was told by Eugenix that their pricing for surgeries performed by Dr. Sethi,  it is INR Rs.120 = $ 1.73 per FU. Isn’t that twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti? And also there is 18% tax on these charges. So that makes Dr. Sethi's price to be  about $2 per FU.  Please speak to Eugenix and ask whether that is not what they are quoting. I would really appreciate it if you could influence Eugenix to lower their prices...and bring down their prices to affordable level of Indians.

Harin, 

I am quoting my personal experience. I called up Eugenix and enquired about their pricing. My comments are based on data and not hypothetical. Though I have no idea on different pricing for foreigners and Indians. I am having a genuine conversation here..relevant to the topic. Unlike you I am a regular hair seeker, with an unbiased view. I don't understand why you find faults with my post. 

The results are the best I have seen so far. No doubt about it. But I wonder are these results just from the transplanted grafts. Are clinics taking credit for the regrowth due to meds ? Having seen many HTs we all know that results like these would require may be about 10 k grafts at least. For example in many aged patients with similar baldness level, where the chances of regrowth are slim,  Eugenix never achieved such good results. Many times they deliberately refrain from showing results from top view. Well..the bottom line I think since the patient is only about 28 years he regrew a lot of his native hair and such stellar results are not simply due to a HT. 

On the pricing part from what I was told by Eugenix, they are twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti on price per graft. They could be having different pricing for Indians vs north American or European. In my opinion that is acceptable and not unfair. Salaries and cost of living in India are usually about 1/4 th of the US. Even relatively high earners in India wouldn’t be able to afford European or the US standards in pricing. Therefore it is only fair to charge them according to their income level. I am not a fan of capitalism btw. 

However even for the Indian standards Eugenix is way too expensive. For example to get a HT from Eugenix of about 5K grafts an Indian would have to spend about 8 months of his take home pay (assuming an average well paying job). On the other hand to get a surgery in the US,  a person working there, would have to spend about 3-4 months of his take home pay assuming a similar job profile. So Eugenix pricing is way too expensive for Indians and out of  reach for the most. 

This is a clear advertisement by Eugneix posing as an individual. He has a big bald crown he is not showing. I don't think anyone would be so joyful with  hair only on half of his scalp. 

If you compare post op photos of ASMED's work with Dr. Sethi's work...don't  you guys think ASMED HT looks lot more "cleaner"? Cleaner I mean grafts are all the way in..without protrusion from scalp. If I look at Sethi's work, I feel that grafts somewhat protrude out..and the work doesn't look as clean. However, such protrusion may not effect final resutls. 

This month update please...?