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When I run my hands through my hair when it's dry, I don't shed outside of the normal one or two small hairs everyone gets. But when I shampoo my hair, especially I've noticed when I go over the crown of my head, I get a bunch of long hairs each time I brush through it. Like, let's say I brush through my hair once--I'll get five or six hairs, and they'll be longish ones, like this long: ________ or a little longer

And that happens EACH time I run my hair through when shampooing. But never when conditioning, and never when the hair is dry.

Note that I wear a vintage hairstyle, long on top (usually slicked back with Brylcreem) and short on the sides and back. Could that account for the shedding?

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Usually they say one's hair loss comes from their mother's genetics. But has anyone here ever had their hair loss pattern come out to be like someone from their father's side (father, grandfather, uncle?)?

You hair looks good but I see the see-through aspects of your hair, in the corners above your temples, mostly in the photo of your left-hand side. It may be the lighting, but in your earlier photos, that area appears more thick and not see through. If you are worried, seek out a professional hair doctor and get his opinion.

Could hair gel and slicking your hair back make your hair appear thinner than it is? I ask because here are two non-gelled pix from last year:

At times I worry about if I'm worrying for nothing, because at times it seems like my hairline hasn't much changed. This is my hairline at roughly ages 15 turning 16 to age 17

Note no hair gel in any of these photos.

These pictures were taken in August. Hair was slicked back due to it being a special occasion. I'm a 22 y/o male. Am I balding? Where am I on the NW scale?

The next set of pix were taken in November. Hair is again slicked back

What I mean is, my father for example has little to no hairlosss---He's a NW Class 2 AT MOST at age 58--yet he has a V shaped hairline and always has, with pin straight black hair.

My maternal grandpa was at most a NW Class 1.5 and yet he had an almost flat hairline,akin to the way most African Americans' hairline is--his hairline was pretty much the exact shap as President Obama's, with dense curly hair, but my grandpa was a white man.

What determines the shape of one's natural hairline?

Where, precisely is the frontalis muslce on the forehead? And how can one gauge where exactly a "normal" mature hair line should be?

What are they exactly?

Hi--

I have thinning at the temples and thin patches over the sideburns--like in front of the ear or right above the ear. Will this mean I'll progress to a NW5-7? Or do I have any hope of not going that far? Age 22 here. No one in my recent family history (at least Great Grandparents) were anything more than a NW5 or 6 at worst. No NW7s.

Father - NW 1, 2 at most. Perfect hairline for a man near 60.

Paternal Grandpa--NW 3 Vertex

Paternal Great Grandpa -- NW 1 or 2

Paternal Great Great Grandpa - NW 5 or 6

Paternal Uncles - None beyond a NW 3.

Maternal Grandpa - NW 1-1.5

Maternal Great Grandpa - NW 5 or 6

Maternal Uncle - NW 4 at most.

Maternal Great Uncles - Nothing more than NW 3 at most.

A question:

My hairline in the back--at the nape of my neck--is rather high. It seems on most men, their nape hairline extends to about chin length. Mine ends to about the end of my ears and is a little fluffy. It seems to have always been this way, even when I was a kid. Is this indicative of future hair loss to come on top, or can one simply have a high nape hairline and not experience hair loss?

What are some good, telltale signs early on that you might experience cosmetically significant hair loss? I mean, signs BEFORE the balding starts that might indicate future hair loss?

And when hairloss begins, does it happen rapidly? Do you suddenly start waking up with clumps of hair? Does it happen very slowly?

The earliest photos of my step-grandpa are from when he was in his mid 50s and he had thin what could probably be called a Norwood Class 3 Vertex or perhaps even a Class IV. He still had sufficient hair to appear as if he had a hairline from the sides and the front, but grew the front hair very long to cover up the loss on the crown. Now, I'd think he'd have had a slow course of hairloss before that, since he was only at Class III or IV by middle age. However, flashforward about 10 years, in his 60s, and he's a Norwood Class VI, which he remained for the rest of his life.

A question:

The hair at the hairline on the back of my head--around the nape of my neck--is slightly thinnd. My fiancee, who is a hairstylist and who cuts my hair, was the first to notice, saying the hairs are a little thinner at that specific area. A part of it is odd in texture, sort of like those nasty hairs that grow under your neck that the barber usually trims away; Also, on the right side of my head, in the area just under the temple points, but above the sideburns, the hair is thin. Not totally thin, but thin to a point that it makes the hair look gray.

I'm worried about this; I've read about thinning at that area and at the nape of neck being signs about a future NW Class VII. Is it possible for lesser NW Classes (Class III or IV) to have nape of neck and side of head thinning? Could it just be normal for my hair, without any hair loss resulting?

What NW Class would my grandpa fall into,, just out of curiosity? He was in his early/mid 60s when these photos were taken, I'm not sure when the hairloss began but it pretty much has remained the same.

A little later in his 60s

As you can see, from a normal, straight on view, his hair appears thick and full. But it seems he has thinning on both his hairline, crown and a great deal on the back of his head.

You MAY end up receding more as you age. However, you currently look like you have an amazing hairline that won't give you much trouble. My advice, enjoy it and don't worry. If you notice increased thinning in the next five years or so, then start thinking about taking some action.

So the thin hairs in front are normal? In all the pix from last year? I used the old pix from 2006-2007 (the last pix) as contrast to now.....And what kind of recession do you think I'd see, NW Class wise?

What are you worried about? You're fine. Good lord!

I'm worried because the shape of my hairline is a M shape and I've read that is a telltale sign of MPB, and also that those thin hairs you see in front will turn into peach fuzz, thus starting me down the road to baldness....

These are from last year but my hairline looks the same. I believe all were taken with flash on the camera, which might effect the hair's appearance.

Compare to a pic of my hairline back in 2006, age 16 and at age 17. They're fuzzy but as you can see, the little scraggly hairs have always existed. I have no thinness at the crown or vertex:

For my comparison, my dad's hairline when he was 50 (he is now 58; hair looks the same)

A question. I am a 22 y/o guy. I have a very full, bushy head of hair with a deep U or wide V shaped hairline. But at the very, very front (I mean literally only the first few hairs) at thin, like this

They're thin and you can see scalp through them as in the picture of LBJ. But there's not that many of them; enough to be visible, but not like LBJ's there. The ones in the very front still grow as long as the rest of my hair, they're just thin in thickness. Is this perhaps indicative of future hairloss, or might this be my mature hairline?

Genetics:

Dad - Full head of hair, age 58, with typical Caucasian U or V shaped hairline, Widow's Peak.

Dad's brothers - All 4 brothers have full heads of hair except one who is slightly thinned.

His father - Possible NW Class III but mostly full looking. Has a bare patch in back of the head, an slightly thin in front, but slicked back it appears full. From the front appears to have a full head of hair.

Father's Father's Father - Seemed to have a full head of hair but died at 40.

Father's Father's Father's Father - Had a receded hairline, possibly class III or 3A.

Mother's father - Had a NW Class I hairline; had in essence the same hairline and density all his life until he died at age 55. No hairloss whatsoever once his mature hairline developed by his mid 20s. Had an unusual, flat hairline for a Caucasian male: A naturally high, flat hairline with only a tiny Widow's Peak. He had a hairline extremely similar to Obama's.

Mother's brother - Very slowly thinning hair. His hairline is mostly small hairs, a bit more than peach fuzz. He's 49 now and it's been like that for years now; there is no further recession.

Mother's Father's Father - Somewhere between a NW Class IV or V by his 50s.

Mother's Mother's Father - Possible NW Class V by his 50s.

Man, you could be any one of these. Have you started losing hair yet?

 

On a side note, great pictures. Very interesting. It seems both of your grandfathers are in pretty good shape. What about your dad? I really do not like using family history to determine hairloss. It is just a really really poor predictor. I have every level of loss in my family and could have taken the genes from any one of them. Hairloss is a very peculiar thing.

Would it be safe to say that none qualify as NW 5 or beyond?

Also, as far as my grandfathers...I think my maternal grandpa had a NW Class 1 as his hair literally never changed throughout his life. It's texture changed with age, but his hairline never changed, though he always had an odd thinness at the nape of the neck which I also have.

What NW class would you say my other Grandpa falls into?

My father has pretty much a full head of hair. He has a V to a slight U shape hairline. Basically your typical Caucasian male hairline with a small Widow's Peak. His hair has lost it's volume with age and gotten straighter and stringier (He is near 60) but the hairline and the rest has remained full.

haha funny aaron! Good one.

 

NW1 : excluded (i guess everybody would agree right?)

NW2 : IMO excluded due to lack of density

NW3 : yes, which is just fine when you're 60-70... but it seems like even as a young man he had a very high hairline and his corners and temple points (!) were already gone.

NW4 : possibly, because he does do a comb over (not in the classic sense : left to right or right to left, but from front to bottom). Which works really well for him as he has still a somewhat strong front.

 

At first I thought you were going to address Obama's hair status... and I was thinking : what? Obama is a strong NW1-1.5! Lucky him.

what exactly are temple points? I ask because with my own hair it seems the hair by temples my temples have receded or thinned. Most men have very sharp, well defined temples--Mine are dull and sort of thin. They are still very visible, like LBJ's, just not sharp and dense. At the front, I have the same little miniature hairs that Johnson has. My hairline is sort of a very broad U shape.

One thing I have noticed is that the hair in a small area just above my sideburns is thin on one side. The other side is normal. But the thin side is not TOO thin--but thin enough that it makes it look like I have a gray bit of hair there, if that makes sense.

My fiancee, a cosmetologist, has noted that my hairline in the back, like the hairline at the back of the neck--at the very bottom--is thin. It is not overly noticable and is confined to the very bottom of the hairline on the neck. But she said my hairline has been like that since I was little, in childhood pictures of me. I am 22 now.

Howver, I have very thick hair, in that it is very dense and wavy. My fiancee says I have "too much" hair in that it is hard to style due to the density. In my case it is hard to tell if I'm simply worrying too much, or if I'm simply getting to my mature hairline, or if I'm on my way to hairloss. If I end up with a class 3 Norwood in the end, that wouldn't bother me terribly--I'm more worried about anything beyond that, especially a 5-7. I don't consider someone with a Class III Norwood to be "bald".....

Welcome to the forum Mr. President. You have only given us hairline shots. Without seeing your crown it is difficult to say what level of loss you have. Also, you slick your frontal hair back over your mid scalp - so it's impossible to say for sure.

 

I'd highly recommend having Vice President Humphrey take some overhead and crown pictures for you and then we'll be better able to assess your hair loss.

LOL.

Best pictures I could find

Am Curious as to what Norwood Class you feel President Lyndon Johnson fell into:

I ask because my hairline is similar in shape to LBJ's, but my hair is much much fuller in general (I'm 22). However, I have at the very front of my crown the little thin hairs that Johnson had, like this pic in terms of the miniaturized hairs at the front

I'm trying to determine what my pattern will be so I was curious as to what the various Norwood Classes my ancestors were.

My maternal great grandfather (Mom's Dad's Dad) in his 50s-60s:

My maternal Great Grandfather (Mom's Mom's Dad)

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Maternal Grandfather (He had the same hairline all his life and died with a full head of hair in his 50s)

Paternal Grandfather in his 60s (hairloss has not gone any further and he is 80+).My father has a full head of hair. My grandpa's hair looks totally full if you were to sit face to face with him due to the way he styles it.

Paternal Great-Great Grandfather young and then in his 60s/70s: