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it is pretty odd but nothing surprises me in the UK to charge per hair especially being in London probably have massive overheads to cover.

Yes, Harley Street is crazily expensive, which is mainly because of the Howard de Walden Estate who own most of the buildings and charge exorbitant rents. Technician costs would be astronomical, too.

Hi, yes, I agree with the pricing structure... And again, you might end up paying a little bit more than other clinics, for me that wasn't a factor, I chose the surgeon and clinic purely on results and testimonies that I have seen, if money is the thing you worry about most when getting a ht then I think you need to be quite careful, it definately shouldn't be the overriding factor. you've only got limited donor.. Why not go to the surgeon you think can give you the best results. I'm going back to see the doc on Tuesday for a quick check of donor, make sure it's healing well... I'll get the full counts from him then and post up. Thanks wizz, as I said in op I was very surprised about donor too... Looks really good already, now it's just a waiting game!! Cheers everyone

Reddy's website certainly looks professional. The before and after photos are well done, although shots of the top and crown seem in short supply. Like Farjo, Reddy seems rather keen on self-promotion. I see he also offers training for aspiring FUE surgeons. I hope it works out well for you!

Hi mike, I had the op at the private clinic in Harley street...the cost for 5500 hairs was ?13750, it's ?2.50 a hair, I've done a lot of research over the last 8 or 9 months, and for me dr. Reddys results were coming out the best from what I have seen and heard from other forum members, so far I haven't had any swelling, which is normally due to anaesthetic I believe, the dr is careful not to administer too much to help with this, and no pain in donor or recipient area at all, when I looked at donor for first time this morning, I was very surprised, everything looked really good, in most parts you have to look really closely to see any grafts have been taken, was expecting the back of my head to look a right mess.. Again, I think it's a good testament to the team.

The whole head was shaved with clippers, I've got the worst shaped head imaginable and that was worrying me the most!.. But you do get used to it.. You can wear a loose cap/hat after a few days anyway.

Honestly couldn't recommend them enough.. The whole team were great and really put me at ease, I'll def get some pics up asap as well.

 

Cheers

Matt

It's unusual for the pricing to be per hair. What was the total graft count?

Vox,

 

You're very lucky! We see a small percentage of patients -- maybe 2-7% -- who essentially experience no shedding.

 

The theory behind why hairs shed out and the follicles become dormant for a short period has to do with blood supply. The follicles have enough reserve supply to function and cycle somewhat normally for a short period of time after implantation. However, this is temporary and they quickly "go to sleep" without the necessary blood supply. The body naturally creates network of vascular supply to the follicles within the first 3 months and voila, new growth!

Blake,

What are your thoughts about minoxidil post HT? I read some papers that suggested it promotes microvascularization. I believe Dr Feller used to advocate it years ago.

You seem an ideal candidate for either FUE or FUT and I'm sure you could ditch your hairpiece. I did and I haven't looked back!

Hi guys, I just wanna share my obsession with my hairloss. I know its unhealthy and it has taken away much of my time, but sadly it's in my head 24/7.

 

When I wake up in the morning the first thing I do is counting the number of hair lost on the pillow and the sheet below. Then I would run my wet hand through my scalp and see how many hairs come out.

 

When I am at work, I spend far more time in the toilet than anybody else, just to check my hair. To get away from suspicion, I go to a different toilet on a different floor each time.

 

When I walk my way home, I would slow down at any mirror surface and check my reflection. I often wandering into a gas station just to check my head on top from a mounted security camera.

 

This is not my story but my story is very similar. I started to visit mesotherapy session. I just had my second therapy. In my opinion my hair loss is due to the stress. Iam all time stressed. My doctor told me that mesotherapy almost always worked. Do you thing that mesotherapy could also work on such a stressed person??

I'm afraid there's no evidence that so-called mesotherapy achieves anything other than depleting your bank account. You need to get an objective opinion of your hair situation and your psychological state. Your should see your family doctor. Obsessive rumination about some aspect of one's appearance isn't uncommon and a licensed clinical psychologist should be able to help you.

Megasesh,

That's a seriously impressive number of grafts! It took me two trips with Air Canada to obtain that number of grafts with Dr Hasson. It looks like we share similar hair characteristics. The end result should be fantastic.

Out of interest, did you research any UK options for your HT?

There was a dude on here not long ago who was in the UK he had a ht with miserable results paid for by credit card.

I may be remembering this wrong but I believe he got all his money back due to paying with the credit card I think the bank sorted it out.

Do a site search its only within the last month or two.

Hope this helps you out.

I may also be mistaken on this but are consumers in the UK meant to be entitled to a 7 or 14 day cooling off period were you can pull out?

Have a good day

Sadly, the 'cooling off' period applies to distance sales where the transaction is done on-line and/or without face-to-face contact. Signing a contract implies that the buyer has checked all the small print and generally considered carefully before signing. You might be able to argue your case on the basis that you were mislead by the AHS salesman and/or that the contract is unfair. The Citizens Advice Bureau might have a lawyer offering free legal advice. But it's certainly worth speaking with your card company to see what they suggest. As regards the laser therapy that AHS advertise, it's been doing the rounds for years and the evidence that it does any good is slim. You'd be far better off trying Minoxidil and Propecia.

Hair rebounding is bad for hairs? :eek:

If you mean 'rebonding', as in glueing or other methods of attachment of extra hair, then yes, it's very bad for the existing hair as it causes traction alopecia if done repeatedly over the years.Cornrow plaiting is just as bad as well.

Glue itself won't damage the hair or the scalp. Traction alopecia is only a problem when the hair is being pulled for prolonged periods of time, e.g. corn row plaiting, hairpiece attachment with clips or the old-fashioned 'weave'. So whatever hair replacement you choose, you'll still be ok for a HT in the future.

Is this some sort of hair extension technique? If so, it means expensive reattachments plus you need hair in the first place. Possibly ok for those with diffuse thinning.

Omnigraph is the same just different name right?

Omnigraft, Folligraft, Dermagraft, etc. are all the same.

And however they try to phrase it, even Permagraft will involve some sort of adhesive and they'll probably charge the earth for reattachments. It's really not good for the scalp to go for weeks between attachments. Find the right tape and it really shouldn't be too much of a hassle. I did this for 20+ years before going for a HT!

Also can you please tell me the best methods of attachment and what I should look out for?

Did some research but no place talked about what how some methods of attachments aren't good.

The most practical way of attaching a hairpiece is to use double-sided tape. Some guys prefer glue but it gets pretty messy if you're not careful.

What is permagraft? Does it damage your hair? Lets say I get it, can one day still get hair transplant if I remove the permagraft. If you can remove.

It's just another hairpiece and it's definitely not permanent, so there's nothing to stop you having a HT in the future. One thing to watch out for is that some methods of attachment can pull on your hair which may cause traction alopecia over time.

Thanks. That would be great.

Thanks for that, I did wonder, because I never hear his name mentioned on here. I've been quoted quite a bit of money for someone in France, for only a small portion of what needs doing. They don't quote number of hairs though, It's more a 'yeh, sure, we can do that, no problem' type consultation. And then come back in a year for some more. Is that the normal time between procedures for most people, A year?

 

Still amazed nobody in London worth their weight, after all these years...

I'd say a year is the minimum. I had my 2nd procedure after 15 months.

I think the problem with London is that everyone flocks to Harley Street, which means colossal costs for office rental and staffing.

Apart from the Farjos, there's also the Glasgow Clinic and the doctor there trained with Bisanga in Brussels. I've no personal experience of their work but a few guys have posted positive experiences in this forum, so you might want to check them out. I think the key thing is to find a clinic where there's a doctor dedicated to the one clinic rather than the situation were a clinic buys in sessional input from a variety of medics which invariably results in poor quality control.

Best of luck.

Could anyone please give me some advice or reviews regarding Dr Rogers in London?

 

Thanks

Don't! Dr Rogers really doesn't have the best reputation, although it's always possible that he's upped his game since his name last figured in this forum. HT in the UK remains fairly dismal and expensive, and in London particularly so. If you really, really want to stay in the UK, there's the Farjos up in Manchester, although they're still fairly conservative in the numbers of grafts they attempt and I'm not convinced their yields are the best. They've recently teamed up with Dr Lorenzo from Spain who really is one of the best FUE practitioners, but expect to pay a lot for his expertise. For FUT, you'd be better off trying Bisanga, Ferudini or Devroye in Belgium, or Hasson & Wong in Vancouver.

Hi Agenteye,

The breakdown was 726 singles, 1913 doubles and 251 multis. There definitely won't be a HT#3!

Just back home after HT#2 with Dr Hasson in sunny Vancouver. Very happy with HT#2 carried out in May 2012 (4400 grafts over quite a large area) but keen to have more density at the front and on the crown. No peri-operative complications this time (bleeding and bruising last time) and no post-op folliculitis (used antibiotic lotion on scalp pre-op). H&W as excellent as ever.

thanks a lot for the responses and advice so far!

 

I have looked into Propecia before, I'm just not comfortable with the potential side effects. I'm planning to continue with minoxidil, am used to the couple of minutes of hassle in the morning and before bed

 

adding some more pics of the donor area that will hopefully help determine if the donor is suitable, please let me know what you think

 

can anyone recommend potential surgeons? planning to then get a consultation and get started!!

I think your donor area looks fine. Hasson & Wong in Vancouver would be a safe bet and 4000 grafts should be sufficient. What's the pattern of hair loss in your family?

Hello -Thank you for the encouragement. I have found the website a bit difficult to navigate around as a newcomer.

 

 

If you have a look in the Blogs section I have already uploaded two photographs at day 2 and day 4.

I will however load these and future photographs onto the forum as I think this probably is where most people tend to look first.

 

 

It is early days so far for me on the journey and we will need to see how the results progress. Judging outcomes is so subjective with aesthetic surgery. As a mature patient ( 53 years old) and also an oral surgeon by profession I think that managing expectation is a significant factor. We all age - albeit with some variation between individuals. I am genetically programmed for hairloss and FUT is not a cure - just a reparative procedure using our own limited donor hair.

 

 

The modern FUT procedure undertaken skilfully may hopefully meet my own expectations given time. I seem to have had reasonably good donor hair and am quite optimistic . If the hairloss can be effectively disguised will an illusion of a reasonably covered crown then my expectation will have been met - I only expect "one miracle at a time"!

 

 

I would be cautious about the timing of any second procedure (which many people seem to have to achieve increased density ) as I would be more concerned about addressing future hairloss and having sufficient donor reserves for this.

 

 

Will post some photos later today - but off to work now to help my own patients - toothless and dental implants!

Very good to have your excellent write-up of your Farjo experience. I'm also very impressed by how clean your recipient area appears just a few days post-op. Are you using minoxidil on the crown? If not, probably worth doing so as it may help with vascularisation of the grafts and keep them in the anagen stage. Do keep on posting photos!

Then how do surgeons get magical numbers like 6000 - 7000 grafts...

A very long strip can be excised and stapled in sections. For example, my 37 cm strip of 4416 grafts was taken in nine sections and the eventual shape is more like a 'U' than a flat line. This allows better adjustment to skin planes and where there's the best laxity. Cases like the 8000 graft FUT perfomed last year by Hasson & Wong are extremely unusual and would only be practical when donor density and laxity are exceptional. Most doctors would split the procedure.

Hello

 

I have thinning hair, it runs in the family. Hair transplants cost too much and at the time I can't afford it. I was reading about hair systems where they glue hair on your head. Do you guys know which ones are the best to use?

If you avoid places like Hair Club for Men and Advanced Hair Studio, and source your hair system via the internet, the costs can be manageable. Hair Direct are a good company with friendly service and they'll also cut in the system. Coolpiece and Hairpiece Warehouse are also good. You might want to try with a stock system first and then get a local hairdresser to cut it in. You can glue a system to the scalp but it's better to use tape around the perimeter. All the companies I've mentioned will be able to advise you on this.

I'm 36 years old and I've been losing my hair for probably 15+ years now. Its not receding from the front at all, rather its a large radius from the crown.... what I'd call a Friar Tuck style.

 

Anyway, I'm seriously considering a hair transplant, especially now that I've seen that it doesn't necessarily cost ?30k as all the newspapers in the UK always report.

 

Obviously, as with any surgery, its very important to make sure you're getting a good surgeon if you want good results. There are lots of sites giving advice (Including this one) but much of it is saying stuff such as "make sure you go with someone personally recommended" etc, however as I don't personally know anyone who has had the surgery I can only ask here.

 

Unfortunately the "Find a Quality Physician" service on this site only lists a single clinic in the whole of the UK, the Farjo clinic. Should I interpret that as meaning that they are the best, or does it mean that they are the only people that have been checked in the UK?

 

Also, when looking for advice I see that some clinics are pushing FUE as the modern solution and strip transplants (Is that the same as FUT?) as the old way.... whereas others are saying FUE is a bit overhyped and FUT is actually the best.

 

My concern with FUT is that a linear scar may be fine now, but what if I continue to go bald and ultimately go completely bald when I'm older... I don't really want obvious scars (I know FUE also scars but I believe its less noticable?).

 

Anyway, does anyone have any recommendations for clinics in the UK? Is Farjo a leading and recommended clinic?

 

Thanks

Ben

My quandary was similar but in the end I travelled to Hasson & Wong in Vancouver and am very happy with the results. It surprises me that the UK is such a rotten place for good HT work. The experiences of many at the hands of a few bad doctors have really tarnished the UK's reputation and must make it difficult for good doctors in good clinics to set the record straight. The Farjos are, I think, starting to do that, although the photos on their website don't really do them any favours and tend to show conservative numbers of grafts spread rather far and wide on high Norwood class, older men. They do seem to be doing much larger numbers of grafts now and also do some FUE. Another doctor worth considering is Dr Lupanzula at the Glasgow Clinic. He apparently co-founded the BHR clinic in Brussels with Dr Bisanga. Like Dr Bisanga, he does FUE as well as FUT. Clinics I would avoid are those operating as a franchise where there's no guarantee that any particular doctor will do the procedure.

FUE or FUT is a tricky decision. If you need large numbers of grafts (3000+), then FUT is really the best option. The scar that's left is very fine if the HT is done by a skilled practitioner and some people believe that staples are better than sutures. The advantage of FUT is that the area where the strip is removed is then covered up by existing hair, so in your case, your appearance would be back to your pre-op state pretty quickly after the procedure apart from the grafts implanted in your crown. With FUE, the donor area needs to be shaved, so it's often best to get all your hair buzzed down. Another thing to add to the decision making is your family history of MPB. Also, have you been using minoxidil and/or finasteride?

Regards,

Postdoc