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Funny coincidence I also saw Dr Bisanga yesterday in London lol

Just a suggestion, the analysis of where you are in terms of donor density etc doesn’t sound that different between the two. Just a different vision of where you could be - sounds like you have a strong donor so 1800 doesn’t sound much, possibly a bit conservative? 

You’re one of the guys in their YouTube video? Just curious, looks good, and good luck this week 

Always find it interesting looking at the old films how great everyone’s hair is. Look at Lawrence of Arabia there are scenes with hundreds of English army extras all with perfect hair. Yes I think something has changed.....

Well it’s been a few years since I last posted, I had 3700 FUT with Dr Pathomvanich in 2009, all went well very happy with the result which was mainly about “framing the face”. My crown was always thin, I haven’t been on fin recently, and I don’t think my hair has changed that much, but will hop back on fin before I get another transplant.

The strip was done with a trichophatic closure, which worked perfectly, basically invisible, that coupled with lower transaction rates means I’m really keen to pursue FUT again rather than FUE.

I haven’t ruled out Thailand again, just that the country is occasionally a bit unstable politically, so I’m getting a consultation with Dr Bisanga shortly - though I know he does a lot of FUE as well.

I'm hoping for enough scalp laxity to get another 3,000 or so graphs to add density all over, including crown, and not lower my hairline at all. 

So my question, bearing in mind my preferences, would be for other Dr recommendations in the “mid” price range for great FUT results with minimal donor scarring. I’m in London but will travel anywhere. I don’t really want to go on a long waiting list however, so standby surgery would be fine as well. 

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Hi,

The ingredients in TRX2 capsule were specifically formulated to work

in concert with one another and are manufactured in accordance with strict European quality controls. And it's much more easier to take all the complex at once than separately.

This is scientific mumbo jumbo ^^^^ and you will find most members on here won't fall for it....

Haven't posted for a long time, but I noticed the ramp up in advertising of this product in the UK. The claims made (87% results etc.) seemed daft to me.

I made a formal complaint to the ASA (the advertising standards authority, the official body in the UK) and they have just adjudicated.

Basically they found against TRX2 and all of their advertising now has to be changed. TRX2 was unable to produce sufficient evidence for their claims. The judgement is very lengthy but basically it means all the claims they were making in magazine adverts have to be withdrawn.

The only thing they are allowed to claim is the potassium channels element.

Must say I am quite impressed with the ASA and I would encourage all UK forum members to complain about any adverts they think could be misleading.

The message here is - you really should be on meds for a year pror to surgery. If we did a survey on here of disappointing or non existant results, there would be s disproportionate number of patients who did it without meds.

Sorry to sound harsh.

It was done by Dr Bhatty, strangely I couldn't find much out about him, iother than tht he is not ISHRS.

It seemed like the price ?5k for 2500 grafts was not too bad, but from the little shown it did look like the grafts were arranged lined up rather than random.

The foreign patient was Norwood 5/6? I don't think 2500 grafts were going very far with him.

Although the consult was done by the surgeon, the distrubinf part was all the high pressure sales, finance plans at 20% APR etc.

I imagine Dr Farjo was shouting at the screen yesterday for the negative light UK procedures were shown in.

We wish you luck with your search, so long as you see some results before you go ahead, it will be interesting for this forum to know how you get on.

But seeing as travel doesn't seem to be an issue for you, there are loads of approved surgeons on this site you might want to consider as well, including in Europe.

Where is Sparky?

I predict this thread will not end well..

(You will probably get a few more replies if you tell us your circumstances)

I think if you are used to wearing a hair piece anyway then wearing one afterwards as you wait for the results makes a lot of sense.

If you hadn't previously worn one (like me) I think the worry about being detected would outweigh the benefit.

I'm sure there are lots of considerations about attachment methods that need some thought and care so as not to damage the grafts. As far as I understand it a 'clip' fit to the existing hair sounds like the lowest risk method (as opposed to glue on the scalp)

I don't understand some of these 'definitive' posts saying that absolutely things should be happening and obvious at 6 months, this is 'normal' I.e. Good sample size etc.

If we stick a little more to our actual personal experiences - I wasn't expecting much until 8 months. And almost exactly on time, at 7.5 months was the first time I noticed any real growth. And that was the point (not 5, 6 or 7 months) when other people started noticing my ht as well.

And I feel that at 9 months it was looking good, a lot better at 12 months, and fully done around 18 months.

I see no evidence that I was a 'late bloomer' my results timescal seemed to be exactly average compared to all the research I did and what my Doctor told me beforehand.

No offense McRiot I was more referring to Harhair above who for his first post slides in with big criticism of Dr Kiely and then follows the well worn path of asking innocent questions about a competitor.

I do think this thread is potentially very unfair. Dr Kiely is saying his competitors rubbish him, and lo and behold a new user with no posts comes on and criticises him. Surely if you have a bad result and you want to be taken seriously you post a bolg, hairsite etc. so we can all judge?

I'm just saying that this Doctor might be great, no idea, but it all seems very suspicious and makes me think maybe he really does have vicious competition who are setting out to ruin him.

It probably isn't sensible for me to say this, none of us should be pushing you down a certain road it has to be your decision, but -

It does look to me like you have fantastic donor hair potential, and I think you might be someone who gets an 'exceptional' result because you current pattern is so clearly established.

I understand the anti medication feeling, I used to be like that as well, but inho finasteride is one of the most mild least risky medications available today.

I'd encourage you to look through some of the tons of results on these boards as well.

I remember this thread and have the same questions, I suspect the answer is that no doctor has a complete record of graft survival rates comparing two separate passes to one dense packing session. Hardly surprising, when many of the educated users on this forum travel thousands of miles to go to the best surgeons, then if they arey are reasonably happy 12 months later they're not likely to rush back to have the grafts counted.

In fact the best surgeons are probably a little frustrated when they don't get the chance to follow up in person with people whose lives they've change.

Anyway, my other point was to do with Armani dense packing. Don't recall any specific responses from him, but isn't it possible that one of his arguments for aggressive hairlines is that worst case (if baldness progresses and no hair cloning / rep. comes along in the next 10 years) that an FUE procedure could be done to remove grafts in the frontal transplanted area backwards o the crown or temples etc.

Ie having too much dense packing at a young age isn't irreversible?

I was in a similar situation and combined my Thailand HT with a fantasticc holiday straight after, you can check out my profile. I was maybe lucky or a good healer, but I literally came back to the hotel from the procedure, slept like a baby, had a headband on the next 3 days, and carried on touring the day after surgery. I realise not everyone has been so lucky, with nausea, swelling etc. But everyone is different.

I've been asked before on this forum what my strip scar (Dr Pathomvanich, 18 months, 3900 grafts, tricophytic closure) looks like when I shaved my hair down.

I'd replied that I wasn't interested in shaving my hair down anyway, but today I overconfidentally had a number 3 shave (was getting a bit warm in England this week) and the results are attached.

No one (barber, work colleagues) mentioned anything, except my wife, who burst out laughing when she saw it saying it was obvious.

These are the best pictures I could manage, my summary is that if you know (as most people on this board do) what to look for then yes it is fairly obvious, and maybe it will take a week or so to be less obvious.

I'm just posting my results for interest, I'm not complaining at all, strip was a perfectly reasonable option for me. I dont' believe there is any scar stretching but there seems to be some redness there.

I've also previously said that going for a "marine hard nut" type haircut is not normally the best choice for transplanted patients.

But hopefully these photos contribute a little to the results on view out there to enable future patients to make educated decisions.

To answer your question directly -

No, not at all. Can't feel it, or detect it, and even my wife can barely find it without a really really close look.

Hey there Buddy

Just wanted to say I'm thinking of you, however you judge your results at the moment you should know you took control of your situation and still made the best decision you could at the time.

I know you don't want to hear this, but the obvious suggestion still has to be fin, even a half dose.

Also, as many, I literally didn't see much growth until 7.5 months, and improved upto 12 months, so it is not impossible you'll get a bit more progress.

Hang in there.

Bear in mind that there is no FDA approved treatment that was originally designed to treat hairloss, as far as I know, fin, minox, dutas (maybe in future), (acell?) were all developed to treat prostate or heart conditions. It was just that hair growth was observed as a side effect!

So there is no evidence that an approved non surgical treatment is anywhere close. I would say at least another 20 years.

The big advances in medicine have mostly been innovative surgery rather than drug based. How little we really know about the human body!

I'm finding it difficult to form an opinion on this, because I think you have a pretty good head of hair but (like me) a fairly prominent forehead.

I would suggest sticking to one medication for another few months, it is pretty clear that your hairline won't improve but you may thicken up further at the top/crown.

You are a good age for a transplant, and a doctor renowned for great hairline work might be able to give you a really nice result, but bear in mind that transplanted hairs are going to look coarser / more wirey than your existing 'soft' transition zone.

Definitely try to meet some past patients to have a closer look, I imagine doctors will be advising you to fill in the sides / temples to complete a new hairline but I understand this is a very tricky area to get right.

On the DHI UK website, they post a link to their "Care Quality Certficate", which is a UK government approval that has to be given as a result of a new law introduced in October 2010:

Essential standards of quality and safety

I don't have any first hand knowledge of DHI, but I've been pretty shocked reading these posts and amazed by the untruthful advertising they are getting away with.

I find it hard to believe that a Care Quality Certificate has been issued in any context to a clinic that is using a 'secret' medical technique of which no details have been published or peer reviewed.

If there are disatisfied DHI UK patients out there (can't speak for other countries laws) then it maybe worth approaching the Care Quality Commission with the details.

I appreciate OP was also talking about pain in the days after the surgery -

Apart from a wisdom tooth, I'd never had any sort of operation before, so I was a bit concerned that when the anaesthetic wore off in the hours after the operation that it would be painful - and I was given some codeine to take away with me.

And I literally had no pain at all - of course if I touched the scar I felt that, but other than that - nothing. I didn't go poking around the grafts, but I stayed in Bangkok for ten days (with a hat on) and had one of the best holidays ever.

As I say, Dr Path seems to take enormous care with the anaesthetic, I understand it can be very worrying having surgery but it seems a shame if people are put off HTs when there maybe some doctors out there who really can help you and have a method of minimising pain.

On a technical point to the DHI rep,"slander" legally refers to the spoken word, I think you are looking for the term "libel" which refers to the written word. In my experience the courts so not react well to litigants who use the wrong terminology.

If you require any more legal advice I will have to charge for it.

My independent assessment is that your case is pretty weak however.