j_abouassi

On 10/17/2023 at 6:23 AM, Ccd99 said:

When I was in Turkey earlier in the year (for a family holiday) I went for a consultation (it was more like a chat really) at Vera Clinic, only because one of my friends had his HT done there and claimed good results.

I did not get great vibes either, and I know exactly who you mean by "man with hair tied up in a pony tail".. he was very adamant and insisted I book a surgery then and there, apparently they could've gotten me in the next day if I wanted.

Anyhow my intention was just to get an opinion, I was never going to go ahead with Vera Clinic.

Despite your experience I hope your procedure progresses succesfully!

I am talking to them now and I am getting the same vibe. I am looking at my options now but they keep asking daily if I bought my ticket to Turkey yet and I have bean talking to them for a couple days only so I am glad I am not the only one feeling rushed to make decision.

Hello y'all. Question. I had a clinic in Turkey who has had good reviews for the most part on here tell me that I can do a transplant without necessarily taking finasteride now but after the initial procedure, I will need to take it before I do a second procedure. Does that sound about right? I have been doing Rogaine since September and have been seeing results. Some clinics have told me to wait until I take finasteride first before going for a transplant. 

Would also like to nominate @A_4_Archan. Gives me a lot of good advice of what to look for and to consider in a hair transplant

On 11/21/2023 at 4:33 PM, jjalay said:

Another hairmill in Turkey like many others, avoid them. do a research for doctors in this forum. You have much better options:

https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/best-hair-transplant-surgeons

Thanks for the link. Saw a doctor from a clinic that I have been talking to on there so that is a good sign.

3 minutes ago, Doron Harati said:

Good high skilled MD surgeon won't sell itself for cheap "nice price" tag of a hair mill.

Hair mills usually have fake doctors with local papers, not with a university degree.

This post made me laugh a bit. The stuff they will do to get you in. Seemed off with that pricing like they wanted mass patients so that screamed hair mill to me.

On 11/22/2023 at 12:07 PM, Doron Harati said:

I was botched terribly by a hair mill in Turkey named Arenamed, then had great repair procedures at HDC clinic.

I was scammed by local agency that Arenamed job will be done by a real MD surgeon and it was only techs so I sued the agency.

Do your self a favor and skip that, do a research for a pro line clinic with a bigger budget.

Oh man. Sorry to hear that. That is what I am worried about where a clinic will tell me it is a doctor but ends up being a tech. And yeah, have an amount I kind of expect to pay and it was almost double what they quoted and wondered why it was cheaper than most clinics.

On 11/21/2023 at 3:41 PM, BaldDude said:

Surgery is done by techs? Run away!  

Sorry for the late reply. Haven't been on the site for a couple of weeks. But you are exactly right. It is done by techs from what they informed me. They sent me all the techs CV's and what not but with the help of this site, I have learned to avoid techs as much as possible.

Hey all. I was recently recommended to speak to Turkeyana Beauty Clinic for a transplant due to the friends dad having good luck with them. Anybody here knows their work? The head doctor is named Dr. Ahmey Kalaycioglu. The surgery is done by techs (kinda iffy if I would like it to be done by techs but y'alls input is gold to me so let me know if that is not a big deal) and the price seems a bit too good to be true. Any recommendation helps.

On 9/2/2023 at 11:10 PM, hairtransplantwanted said:

Dr. Nader in Mexico seems impossible to get a hold of. I've tried for at least 3 months via email, phone calls, voicemail, submitting pictures through their website, and still nothing. For those that were successful in scheduling with him, how did you do it?

Same here man. I’ve heard he’s is hard to get ahold of due to how busy he is. Mainly commenting to hear some feedback from others and see what their experiences were like. Glad it’s not only me that hasn’t gotten a response back. 

On 10/22/2020 at 10:46 AM, Hairtodaybacktomorrow said:

The surgery was performed “under the auspices” of Servet Terziler Since it was his hospital. There was a doctor who made the hairline, and one who came in to make the incisions for the grafts to be placed. Neither of them were him because they were female. I think it was a doctor doing the FUE but can’t remember because it was all a little much at that point and I was not conscious. As far as installing the grafts, that was done by nurses/techs . There was a team of three. Sometimes they rotated and sometimes, it was just one of them. I thought they had impressive patience. 

Thanks for the medicine recommendation, maybe it could help things regrow but then I may want to stop after six months. From what I understand about DHT blocking medicine like this is that after 7 days, it would be out of my system and things would go back to whatever normal is for that moment. It does seem like it’s main function is to Possiblyprevent more hair from falling rather than to grow anew. 

As far as possible sexual side effects... well, seems that only happens in 5% of patients suffer those so I’d hope that I’m done with the 5% lottery here and there wouldn’t be any issue.  Both the guy who suggested Esteworld and a friend of his take proscar and say it’s been fine for them. I’m just not super excited about taking meds of any kind but this does seem an unusual situation. 

I brought some proscar back just in case... Wish they would make those 5mg pills easier to cut into 4. If I can get a system to cut them into somewhat even pieces, I’m thinking to perhaps begin and run until I see some improvement. 

I’ll be sending the clinic my one month photos at the end of the weekend and will list questions and observations to them as well. Their responses are encouraging but shorter and in broken English.
 

I’m happy you guys are here. Thanks very much for being here and helpful!  

 

 

 

Hello. How was your experience with Dr. Servet Terzilers team? I am speaking with the clinic he oversees and they recently gave me the option of having him do the procedure vs another doctor but they will not know who the doctor is at the moment. But wanted to see how your experience was. I know you described it pretty thoroughly here but now that it has been 3 years, wanted to see if you were happy with the results and would recommend I go through with this doctor.

32 minutes ago, jfally said:

My initial email was the fastest to be replied to, after that it took a couple weeks in between.

It's Dr N and Brenda doing all of the replies, and he said they get over 1k emails per week. And he's in his clinic all day every day doing procedures.

 

Include "Follow Up # 1 (2,3,4, etc)" in Subject Line when sending follow up emails. This will bump you to the top and lets Dr N and Brenda know you are serious and not a tire kicker like many that inquire. This is what Dr Nader himself recommends for those inquiring.

Leave a voicemail once every few days or so, same deal, it'll show your serious.

Ah good recommendation. I just emailed them right now using your recommendation. Will definitely attempt the call back a bit later. How long after them reaching back out to you were you able to actually do the procedure? Have been seeing on here people saying due to how popular and good he is, it is a while after due to how busy he is. Was that true for your case?

35 minutes ago, jfally said:

Took a few days initially. 
 

Ah ok. I reached out to them by email and the consultation from around a few weeks ago close to a month ago and no response just yet. Left the voicemail to the number on their site. What form of communication worked for you when reaching out to them?

On 7/26/2023 at 11:09 AM, jfally said:

If not for this forum, I'd have never gone through with this procedure, so I owe it to all here to 'give back' and say thanks by providing my experience and review, and will do my best to update regularly and not become one of those people that go dark after month 2 never to return lol.

Background on me: 

-36 year old male
-Crown thinning started at 32 years old, hairline started thinning at 33.
-Crown MUCH MUCH worse than anything upfront and I was most self-conscious about the big old bald spot on my crown
-My hairline looks okay when hair is buzzed, and okay when hair is an inch or so long, but that awkward in between exposes it as a little thinner (more on progress here in meds)
-I own a health coaching company, I workout 5-6 days per week, I'm a runner/cyclist/hiker, and lover of all things fitness related
-I have a beautiful healthy wife and two beautiful healthy children
-If not for my bald crown, I look my age, but with the bald crown I feel it ages me many many years, and naturally is a big blow to my self-confidence

My journey
-Began looking into treatment options when I was 34.
-Family member advised me to look into Finasteride and Minoxidil, started using topical minoxidil at 34 (2 years ago) but was not entirely consistent because I hated how oily it made my hair and some days just couldn't be bothered.
-Began buzzing my head to make Min application easier and stuck with it alot more at that point.
-Talked to my PCP and was prescribed Fin and began taking that 1.5 years ago.
-Researched mucho and saw the science behind Dut, and switched to Dut away from Fin about 10 months ago (zero sides)
-Decided in the name of both constant adherance due to maximum ease of use and potentially much better results, to switch to Oral Min 4 months ago. Titrated up to 5mg daily over the first 2 months time and have been at 5mg daily since. EKG/bloods from PCP at start, have experienced no sides at all, and he wants to do a 6mo workup again with another EKG.
-Since switching to Oral Min I have most definitely been enjoying some really nice regrowth upfront, and a bit in the crown.

Consulting with Dr Nader 
-I went to a consult at a local clinic where I live (Washington Medical Hair Clinic in Virginia Beach, VA), never actually met the Dr, and a 'consultant' looked at my hair and spoke with me, and recommended 1600 grafts to the crown, cost estimate $8-9k USD depending on graft yield. I got zero warm fuzzies from this encounter start to finish. At this point I knew travel was likely going to need to happen, I considered Eugenix and then came across options in MX, and I'm forever partial to MX due to having Hispanic heritage and multiple great trips to touristy areas of MX (silly reason but whatever lol).
-My initial outreach to Dr Nader was in Oct '22.
-Hours and hours of researching here and on Reddit told me he was amazing at what he does, he CARES (genuinely hard to find in any profession these days), he is present for entirety of procedure, his results amaze with every next surgery review/report, and the price was much much lower than expected. 
-Initial outreach consisted of filling out consult form on his website, answering all the questions and providing background on my history/goals, and supplying the pics requested.
-Brenda replied a few days later (much ahead of schedule to my delight based on other posts at the time) and gave me some figures based on the pics. Potential treatment based solely on pics/not seeing in person was to be 2k-3k grafts to crown and mid, 1k to hairline to restore but not move down.
-These figures sounded MUCH more in line with my thinking vs what my local clinic quoted me. 
-Spoke with my wife about the decision, and the financials, and what it would mean to/for me, and got the greenlight.
-Replied back to Brenda letting her know I'm 'in', and after having to follow up a few times via email and phone call/voicemail after next few weeks, she replied back with a list of dates into the Spring of '23. 
-I replied back immediately and after some back and forth with schedule conflicts on my side, booked the procedure for Aug '23.
-Received an email in May '23 from Dr Nader himself;  profusely apologizing, but letting me know he'd been invited to speak at a conference dates of my surgery, so asking if I could move forward/earlier a month. WHY YES DR I SURE CAN! lol
-We landed on July 25-26, flights/hotels were booked.

Travel/Accomodations
-I flew from Norfolk, VA to McAllen,TX via American Airlines and other than the general woes of air travel these days, no issues at all.
-Part of Dr. Nader's packages include hotel reimbursement if you stay at one of his partner hotels here in McAllen, so $360 reimbursement for 3 nights at this hotel, and it includes breakfast vouchers (with a really nice breakfast spread to boot!)
-My flight arrived super late (11:55pm) and my hotel's shuttle was still running so they picked me up and brought me back to hotel.

Safety/Security/Border Crossing into and out of Reynosa/Reynosa Itself
-Dr Nader has a private driver(s), mine was Mr Santos. He has been driving for Dr Nader and shuttling his patients to/fro their hotels for 13 years now. He's been driving cabs in Reynosa for 43 years, and now works for Dr Nader as well as driving the shuttle for Holiday Inn Express in Reynosa. Consummate professional. Friendly, cordial, speaks un poco de English, respectful. I asked him about his life, his family, and his experience, and with a little bit of inherent language barrier both ways, we passed the time chatting. He's not technically part of Dr Nader's team, but he still made a great first impression.
-25 minutes to get from Cambria Hotel to Dr Nader's clinic.
-1 hour to get back to Cambria Hotel from Dr Nader's clinic (have to stop at US Customs/Border Patrol on the return trip, have to present passport and answer a couple questions, plus line is longer heading to US vs on the way into MX from US).

Reynosa:

-If you follow US headlines, Reynosa is where you go to mingle with the cartel, get kidnapped, get murdered, get held for ransom, etc.
-If you go to US State Dept website, Reynosa and the state of Tamaulipas on the whole is on the DO NOT TRAVEL LIST for more political translations of the above line.
-I'd be lying if I wasn't stressed/scared in light of a few recent articles popping up regarding the above. Escalated violence, an incident with Americans a few months back, a shallow mass grave found last week,etc. 
-My MIL sent me article just last week and pleaded with me not go go <---this was tough.

-MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WITH REYNOSA:
-I never feared for my safety.
-I never feared for my security.
-Mr Santos had us on major roads and Dr Nader's clinic is within 10 minutes of the border crossing.
-Dr Nader's clinic is on second floor of a nicer looking medical clinic, with multiple gates, multiple locks, and security cameras literally everywhere. If there is a 'safest complex' in Reynosa, I'm confident saying it's this complex.
-I saw zero guns, knives, heads on stakes, bodies hanging from trees, mass graves, or rubble from shootouts.
-It looked not dissimilar from areas of Mexico just outside of major tourist areas (think Cozumel, Cancun, etc if you were to leave the main area and stroll for a mile or two).
-Lots of street food vendors, lots of pedestrians, run-down/past it's hey day, but still full of life and full of normal people trying to make a normal living and provide for their families.
-To anyone reading, and fearful of Reynosa, I cannot tell you how to feel, but I really truly wish I would not have been as anxious as I was about the safety of this place.
-This is not to say you cannot find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time, but that applies to any city in any state. 
-Your choices and feelings are yours, and I respect that.
-I would confidently refer friends/family to Dr Nader now having firsthand experience of traveling through Reynosa, with zero reservations. And I say that genuinely.


ANYWHOOOOO

To remind, tentative gameplan for procedure (based on Oct '22 pics) was going for 2-3k grafts for the crown and midline, up to 1k to reinforce but not move down the hairline.

In between then and now, Oral Minoxidil and Dutasteride have helped me at least a good bit.

After filling out paperwork in the lobby upon arrival, I was warmly welcomed by the man, the myth himself, Dr Luis Nader. 

He invited me into his office and we chatted like two friends just genuinely talking and getting to know each other more.

Goals, life, family, personal experiences (mine and his), nothing and everything. In a weird way I didn't want this chat to end, because there's a genuineity to his spirit that you just do not encounter...anywhere. He's a special human.

After chatting for a long while and going down many digressions (he and I both), we came back to the reason for my visit; my hair.

He took out his trichoscope (not sure what this thing is called?) and plugged it into his laptop via USB, and placed the laptop on his desk so we could both see it clearly. 

The screen showed a highly magnified view of my hair follicles.

Dr Nader got VERY excited with respect to my decision to faithfully take Dut/Oral Min daily and found new growth upon new growth, upfront in the hairline especially.

Knowing Oral Min has been in the mix less than 3 months, he was VERY confident than in another 6-8 months time, regrowth from that (based on what he was seeing under magnifcation) would negate need to add hair here now/at present. He gave me the choice ultimately, but highly encouraged me to exercise a bit of patience bc he was as certain as could be without 'promising' that the thinnish areas would really fill out as the year goes on. No grafts needed for the front, that was the decision we agreed upon.

Which meant my two day procedure would now be just one day, and 2877 grafts would go to my crown.

He arrived at 2877 after drawing a grid pattern on the crown (including a dip that he recommended waiting on, but said he'd not argue if I wanted to fill it in). Once the grid was drawn on, he place 40 dots into each grid, multipled that # of the grid, and oila!, we have our needed graft #. It was 2877.

The plan was in motion, and we'd begin in room 1, which was essentially a massage bed I'd lie face down on for the extractions from donor area.

For whatever reason, this was my least favorite part. He was VERY accommodating and encouraged me to be vocal if I felt any pain at all, and I did ask him several times for more local anesthesia. The pain itself wasn't anything bad even when I need more anesthesia, I think most of the unpleasantness stemmed moreso from the tiny pain coupled with the lying face down for a couple hours coupled with the sound effects of each next extraction from his implements. Compared to my tattoos (3/4 sleeve one arm, 1/2 on other), this pain was 1 if a tattoo was 10. Evidently I'm turning into a wuss as I age but really I think it was the multiple sensory factor that made the extraction process a bit more unpleasant than I'd expected.

After extraction I was escorted to Room 2, where delicious tacos and a diet soda (you get to order from a few choices) were waiting, and I was given the remote to the big screen TV on the wall directly in front of the dentist-chair looking reclining chair where the implantations would occur post-30 minute lunch break.

The implantation process went smoothly and all of it was done in Room 2 on reclining chair, other than the bottom row of grids and dip area, which were done back in room laying face down.

I will say thru entirety of extraction/implantation, I was conversing every few minutes with Dr Nader as needed, and his staff was working diligently with minimal chatter or small talk or laughter (not that I'd have minded at all).

They run a well oiled machine, the manner in which they executed literally every aspect screamed efficiency and high standards, and each tech I interacted with was absolutely as pleasant and professional and accommodating as could be. (As a fellow business owner and employer, I'd be proud to be in Dr Nader's shoes, his team represents him well; a business owner's ultimately goal).

After all implantations were done, they cleaned the area well, and wrapped my head in the glorious infamous Civil War era head wrap. Plus a surgical cap to where back to the hotel.

Then, back to Dr Nader's office, for thorough walk through of post care instructions, for the next 7 days, but then also outward from there. 

I was given the meds, the sprays, and the shampoo.

Mr Santos took me back to my hotel in McAllen, now I sit here recovering/resting/typing a novel of a post procedure report when I should really be catching up on work.

Any questions, anything I've left out, please let me know.

If I had it to do over, I'd 1000% choose Dr Nader all over again.

He gave me his personal cell # and insisted on frequent updates and any and all questions.

He also gave me the surgery report/graft # paperwork and told me it may be useful if I ever need to work with another surgeon in the future at which point I cut him off and told him "No, Dr Nader, as my hair goes, YOU are my surgeon. Whether its next year or 15 years from now or never needed, you're the only one for me."

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My take: If he were in the US, he'd be considered an elite US hair restoration surgeon/Dr, and he could likely charge literally as much as he wanted. He's that good/his team is that good.

How long after your initial communication with his clinic did he respond to you?

On 7/19/2022 at 12:05 AM, Steve B said:

I literally just completed my HT from Dr Bicer yesterday (FUE). Had a great experience. Dr Bicer and her staff were very accommodating. I plan on posting about it once I get home to the states.
 

Obviously too early for results but from the planning to the procedure itself, was very impressed and comfortable. I had never been to Istanbul and was more nervous about travel/food/lodging than the surgey itself lol. But her staff helps you get set up, they took care of a lot for me with hotel and airport transfer reservations. 

After interviewing with a few doctors here in the states, what ultimately led me to take the plunge was her openness and overall feel of “honesty”. Other doctors seemed to push one type of procedure over another or one hairline vs the one I wanted, etc. and while I respect their opinions, I felt they were pushing what was easier for them to do rather than what I wanted. Dr Bicer was honest about what to expect during the surgery and post op (positive or negative) and worked with me to accommodate my questions, concerns, and preferences. I was the only surgery booked that day (she is not a hair mill) and she puts the focus on me vs some of the other stories I have read here about other clinics that push quantity over quality.

Best advice given to me that I pass along to you, do your research! Google, reddit, and of course here. Go on multiple consultations to compare and get a feel. Everyone’s situation is different.

Hope this helps.

I was going to some more in depth searches if you posted the photos but I thought I will ask here as well. Have you posted the photos on the website yet? If not can you give an update since it has been a while since you got your transplant with Dr. Bicer? Thank you in advance.

30 minutes ago, A_4_Archan said:

Yeh i got a HT will share you the link..you can see my journey 

https://tinyurl.com/My-Hair-Transplant-Journey

Do you think you can message me on here? I am unable to message people on this website. I had some more questions for you but did not want to make this thread super long 😅

1 hour ago, A_4_Archan said:

@j_abouassidon't risk it...i would say do more research and you will be able to find far more better clinics/doctors thn them....

Yeah. I have some other clinics I have been contacting and looking through these posts in this website. So now my main thing is go off what my friend says (which I don’t think I will) or go off what people on this site say since I can find more people vouching for a clinic on here. And have you gotten a hair transplant yet? If so, where and how were your results?

7 hours ago, ITA said:

If you've never heard of this place, it's a big wake-up call, in Turkey there are hundreds of places that pretend to be hair restoration clinics, there it's easy to do that, just create a website, upload photos of hair transplants (taken from other sites) and for them the game is done, indicate a particularly low price to attract unsuspecting customers, and unfortunately many who know nothing about hair transplants fall for it.

That’s some good information. I have noticed a lot of websites seem fairly generic so it’s good to hear that it’s not just me noticing.  Have you done a hair transplant yet yourself? And if so, where and how were your results?

Hey you all. I was planning on doing a hair transplant next month in Turkey. I heard through a friend and friends of a friend who have all had their hair transplant with Ahmet Genc at Estetoria. But I cannot find anything about the doctor other than through my friend. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with him. Greatly appreciated if you can pass that information on. 

Any updates on Dr. Enrique Orozco results? Was talking to their clinic recently.