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On 5/9/2024 at 12:47 PM, Berba11 said:

I'd be very keen to hear about it, and I'm sure others would as well.

Dr Zarev confirmed it would be the previous price of 5 euros / graft for my surgery.

He was really professional and very nice. I have yet to book the surgery with his team, but despite all the bad news about my donor (which I knew after 3 FUE) he said he could extract 5000, even 7000. I believe him when I see all the cases on his IG profile.

16 hours ago, Fox243 said:

I'm probably the biggest bull there is and I've been researching this for two years. But why are we all wasting time and energy speculating on verteporfin? Instead, people should be like Melvin and actually be productive with verteporfin. Reach out to your surgeons. Keep sharing new evidence with them. Persuade them to at least try out verteporfin. Modify this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s3JkF9woMIebkXbpE_UxrjBfNy9i7AuBclDqn9HGrAo/edit to help onboard surgeons. So many better things to do that will actually lead us to getting this on our heads rather than endlessly debating on the forum.

And what do you know what I do or not ?

If you see my previous messages on this thread I was supposed to have a surgery with Dr Pittella. I asked about the possibility of a trial of Verteporfin while he would deplete ALL of my beard graft.

That would have leave absolutely no doubt on the fact that it regenerates hair or no. Unfortunately, it seems that Dr Pittella would do a trial on someone living in Brasil for better follow ups, which I totally understand.

Also, more recently, I've asked if anyone know the name of the center in Greece that is already using Verteporfin for scar revision. This is not a sure thing but why not try and revise one of my scar I have due to a vaccine made when I was a kid.

Lastly, I had a post-op consultation with Dr Mwamba in 2022, where I mentionned about what he thinks of Verteporfin. At this time, he didn't know. He told me he would have a look and even wrote the name on a post-it.

This is just me. What others do I don't know. But we can't just affirm they write on this forum without doing anything else, even though it might be true. Or not.

Probably a class 6 max on the precise scale.

Looks like you have a more than decent donor area. With the beard grafts, I have no doubt the result will be amazing.

12 hours ago, CaptainNorwood said:

Hi all, 

 

Ive tried oral fin both 1mg and micro dosing as well as topical finasteride from minoxidil max and unfortunately got the same ED side effects from everything I've tried. 
 

what should I do now? I'm thinking about Xyon fin but not sure if it will also go systemic and give me the same side effects. Thank you.

How long did it take for the side effects to go away after stopping the product ?

As previously stated, you can try Saw Palmetto and see how you react to it.

Xyon fin or dut will also go systemic. Now, it doesn't necessary mean you will experience side, as some people did experience or not sides depending on the brand of oral finasteride. Hard to explain.

But with GT20029 being out in a near future it seems, you will get also this option soon.

Some people have had good results (some even say better than fin) with oral minoxidil.

PS: I don't use any medications

9 hours ago, Miller1980 said:

you could try saw palmetto softgels 320mg

Have you tried it yourself ? If yes, do you have any positive feedback ?

Seems like it's working quite decently for prostate enlargement.

Family first. Going there 2 weeks before your transplant shouldn't cause any issues.

Maybe just take precautions about not getting your scalp burned and that's about it. Enjoy.

Which surgeon are you going to ?

18 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

The patients that choose HLC will choose them, and the patients that choose Zarev will choose him. That doesn’t change. Verteporfin will not somehow make their results on par with Zarev. Verteporfin will not change the outcome of the results.

Verteporfin does not regenerate all hair, at best it regenerates maybe 25%. This 25% will make the most difference at the top tier level with surgeons like Pittella and Zarev who already achieve high numbers with success. It won’t somehow get mid clinics on par with top clinics. 

But I agree on the fact that it won't change anything about the work itself. The hairline, the temple point, the angulation etc

But then again, Dr Ahmad (Fuegenix) has some of the best / natural hairlines I have seen. What is the price per graft though? Many people won't pay that.

Look at Floyd Mayweather hairline. I think it's quite good. He went to Hair of Istanbul.

Same goes for Conor McGregor. Many criticized his result in the beginning and now it looks quite natural.

1 minute ago, Melvin- Admin said:

The patients that choose HLC will choose them, and the patients that choose Zarev will choose him. That doesn’t change. Verteporfin will not somehow make their results on par with Zarev. Verteporfin will not change the outcome of the results.

Verteporfin does not regenerate all hair, at best it regenerates maybe 25%. This 25% will make the most difference at the top tier level with surgeons like Pittella and Zarev who already achieve high numbers with success. It won’t somehow get mid clinics on par with top clinics. 

Verteporfin doesn't regenerate hair at all then since it hasn't been proven yet, that's why we are conducting the trials.

The aim is to find the right dosage to regenerate as much as we can, not only 25%. If we can only do that, then so be it. If it's 5, 10, 20% then it's better than nothing.
 

But why 25%? We have to hope for more. Hoping is not claiming it will. Being positive is not being delusional. If it regenerates hair, then why wouldn't it regenerates all hair? That would be the next step, if we can prove first that it indeed regenerates hair.

And no, as you can see on many comments, many people WOULD chose Zarev / Ahmad if they were cheaper. But they don't because they don't want to pay for this price.

I see people holding off their surgeries because they want to see how far Verteporfin can go. Including me. I had a surgery booked with Dr Pittella which I cancelled JUST because of Verteporfin. I like Dr Pittella's work a lot. But as you can see "people who go to" won't necessary "go to" if Verteporfin is part of the equation. I speak for myself here, OK, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Also, as I've stated in the past, at least on my side, Verteporfin would be a breakthrough only if it regenerates hair.

Sure, it's great as well if it improves scarring, but it has been shown and proven with studies that FUE / BHT into FUT or FUE scars improves the appearance of it, and even makes the skin starts becoming more like a normal tissue, as before.

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

Verteporfin doesn’t guarantee the success of a hair transplant. Hair regeneration has absolutely ZERO bearing on the actual outcome of the procedure. 

You could go to a hair mill for cheap, get 8,000 grafts and only have 2,000 grow, and the grafts that grow could be misangled and multiples. The donor regeneration would mean nothing. 

I think we’re getting way too carried away making claims that Verteporfin will be some sort of fail-proof drug. It is not and will not be fail-proof. If, and I mean IF it works it will be a great tool for the top surgeons to use, as they’re already achieving excellent results, so regenerating donor hair will make it even better.

But Verteporfin will not change the industry in terms of top tier surgeons. The top tier become even more desirable, and the people who go to hair mills now, will continue to go to hair mills, none of that will change. There will still be botched patients and plenty of repairs. The only thing that could possibly change is at least their donors won’t be completely exhausted. 

Definitely not what I meant.

Some "hair mills" in Turkey or elsewhere, whether we like it or not, have also good results.

I took the exemple of HLC, which I don't consider a hair mill, because of the price which is quite low (although a bit more than other Turkish clinic maybe)

They might have bad results but also a lot of convicing ones, with natural hairlines, temple points etc

If they start using Verteporfin, many people with low budget will not think twice, obviously IF the drug shows close to 100% regeneration.

My comment was hypothesis, we are not here.

But IF it worked this way, with no side effects, then for sure people will chose the cheapest option.
There is even a new thread in the forum with a guy doing so, while Verteporfin is still in the early trials. Imagine if it becomes what it promised to be.

I NEVER said Verteporfin has a role in the actual outcome of the procedure, but has a role in the psychological aspect of "only one donor, waste it and you're done"

8 minutes ago, Fox243 said:

It wouldn’t make sense to be 9 euros else I’d just cancel my consultation in 2026 and book an off schedule one instead. 

True, but from my understanding the off schedule is also tributary to cancellations? (might have read that on a reddit post)
Meaning you could also be on a waiting list for the off schedule.

1 minute ago, Berba11 said:

I'd be very keen to hear about it, and I'm sure others would as well.

Sure, I will

10 minutes ago, Berba11 said:

My consultation isn’t until next year so I don’t know, but I’d expect that price to be honoured. 

I'll let you know if you want how mine went, I also paid the previous standard consultation price and mine is tomorrow.

To go back to the actual trial, I read somewhere that there is a dermatology clinic in Greece that use Verteporfin already. If anyone has heard about it and know the name, I'll be interested to give it a try.

On 11/3/2023 at 8:24 PM, mustang said:

Trichoxidil with Saw Palmetto and dermarolling once a week 

PD: I’m allergic to minoxidil

Do you mind sharing what kind of allergic reaction you have to minoxidil?

You don't have too, but I am curious if that can be called an allergy or just a side effect

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I will probably repeat myself but Verteporfin, if proven to work as a donor regenerative drug, is kind of a threat for top tier surgeons.

Why wouldn't it be? Some surgeon are far ahead others in their technique, planning, use of grafts, donor harvesting, and can use 4000 grafts much better than some do with 8000 grafts.

More and more people know that, thanks to Youtube, internet, forums etc

But if Verteporfin is proven to regenerate hair, many people wouldn't give a f*** about surgeon reputation, which usually comes with high fees, and would go even more to, for exemple, Turkish clinics (which for some are good don't get me wrong) knowing that graft survival isn't so much of an issue as it was before.

Let's say Dr Zarev and his technique leaves virtually no scar at 9 euros per graft but (and that's just an imaginary exemple) HLC in Ankara use Verteporfin and regenerate your donor for 3 euros per graft.

Now, what would you chose?

On 4/25/2024 at 12:42 PM, Berba11 said:

It's normally 150EUR for Zarev, but these are the 'off-schedule' prices. I have a consultation with him next year at the normal price but I'd booked it over a year ago so got lucky in that respect.

Does it mean that in your case you'll get the 5 euros / graft price for your surgery ?

18 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said:

I didn’t say he did trichophetic closure. Dr. Bisanga said it could be due to the type of closure. I said it was the same closure. He then said that sometimes how the skin overlaps one side of the strip can have hair growing through it. The pictures didn’t do anything for him. To be fair, the results on strip aren’t impressive. I think Verteporfin might be better on smaller punches like FUE. 

That's also one point that should be studied, why does it seems that Verteporfin works better on FUE than FUT. Sure, the wound is smaller, but in the trial on pigs, the scar that regenerated skin and hair was quite large and it worked just fine.

In my opinion, Verteporfin would be a real breakthrough only if it regrows hair.
Thing is, for scarring, it has been shown that transplanting body hair into scars improve the appearance of it but also (and I think there was a study on it) literally start "healing" the scar, which behave like "normal" skin again.

Now, sure, this means going for a hair transplant again etc compared to Verteporfin leading to a scarless surgery, but you would have the benefit to, at least, have hair, even if it doesn't grow long (if it's body hair).

This is crucial for Verteporfin to regrow hair if we want to call it a near cure for hair loss.

By the way, I cancelled my surgery with Dr Pittella to wait for Verteporfin. I was ready to volunteer to be part of the trial but it seemed that he, logically, preferred someone from Brazil to have constant check ups. He didn't say that to me, I read it somewhere here.

I still want to go have my surgery with him or Dr Zarev, but I will not go until we know whether this drug work on regrowing hair.

But there is something we also need to realize. If this works, there is no more "it factor", if I may say, for guys like Pittella, Zarev, or Ahmad.

Any decent surgeon could be able to achieve a good results. That would definitely impact some great surgeons. I'm not saying it's good, or bad.

I'm just saying.

On 10/6/2023 at 3:23 PM, 4chanhue said:

I bought 2x bottles of trichometto. Currently on oral saw palmetto 1x/day and oral minoxidil 1.25mg 2x/day. Will add 1ml topical trichometto 1x/day at night and see how it goes.

What's your experience with oral saw palmetto? May I ask which brand do you use?

I'm planning to start it soon.

I knew a guy from Kyrgyztan who showed me a Whatsapp group created by an Indian guy named Sukrut Khambete, this guy was selling a method to regrow hair, including things like listening to "subliminals".

There is litteraly one picture of him "listening" to one of this "subliminal" to decrease DHT and T in the scalp, and to avoid the side effects, he just put his headphones on his scalp instead of his ears. That looked quite far-fetched.

On 10/1/2023 at 2:50 AM, Gatsby said:

I think having a really good beard is both a cultural want and a personal one. The majority of men want a really good beard. I had a beard when I was in my twenties on and off up until thirty. After then I just wanted to look young and for me that meant no beard. Everyone's different. At my age my beard is grey and white so I definitely don't want a beard which is why I was totally OK with using my beard as a donor source for my scalp. I think I look younger with a head of hair and no beard as opposed to the opposite. 👍

Do you know how much follicles you had in total for your beard ? (not transplanted but the total).

If I'm not wrong you didn't use all of it, so you could potentially still grow some sort of beard right ?

1 hour ago, mustang said:

I don't think it will affect your BHT grafts in the scalp.

Your beard doesn't fall out when taking oral dutasteride, much less will it fall out with topical saw palmetto. 

Yes, from the vast majority of feedback, if anything, people got their body hair growth just slowed down.

But how do you explain your transplanted beard hair shedding while it never happened? Reduction of DHT for sure but hopefully that doesn't hinder their potential on the scalp.

On 8/9/2023 at 4:21 PM, mustang said:

I thought so too but the fact that some BHT hairs fell out (never shed one in my life) and the same happened when applied on the beard tells me DHT is being reduced.

I think Saw Palmetto does reduce DHT, specially if applied directly transdermal and in a very high dose but it's no Finasteride for sure.

But what should someone who did BHT to scalp do? If the beard / chest hair will fall or stop growing with topical AR blockers or oral, that is not really encouraging for high norwoods who wants something to maintain