Nobody

17 minutes ago, Curious25 said:

I think it’s the fact you’re so adamant that plastic surgery will improve ‘one’s life’. 
 

If you look at any study with regards to physical attractiveness and the correlations it has with success in both dating and the professional world, they always conclude and portray that the so called perfect maths never equates to the actual top 1% of people in each of these categories, rather that it is a combination of physical attractiveness and then intangible attributes, traits, wealth, social status, charisma, intelligence, etc. 

It is also proven time and time again, that perfect maths never produces the most chosen male or female when population samples are asked to rate people based on pure aesthetics - and it is a mixture of having striking or polarising features, dimorphism, and good mathematical ratios. 
 

You’re fighting a losing battle, and no matter how you try and justify this to yourself with whatever ROI or choice of lifestyle rationale you want to put forward - a man made, algorithmic aesthetic robot, which is essentially what your plan is proposing to become, won’t achieve your dating and professional goals on its own. 

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1 hour ago, Curious25 said:

I wouldn’t class laser eye surgery as cosmetic surgery, personally. 
 

As for restoring your broken nose - this is more like restoration, as opposed to augmentation - these two key words are very fundamental when considering surgery. 
It is one thing to restore a feature back to its more youthful, or previous self - which is a lot less indicative of any such psychological issues such as BDD, perfect example being a hair transplant. 
 

Augmentation, unless it is a medically determined defect, such as a cleft lip, or due to perhaps a physically altering accident (which would be closer categorised as restoration), is a lot more indicative of psychological health concerns - which is certainly how the theme of this thread comes across. 
 

It’s quite disconcerting tbh, and reminds me of an article I came across years ago about online ‘incel’ communities. 
 

I would really encourage OP to seek out a psychological assessment rather than worrying about fitting in a hair transplant alongside an array of other seemingly full on surgeries (which on a whole new topic is far from an ideal scenario in terms of a healing and growing perspective in itself). 
 

Don’t do it, is my advice. 

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2 minutes ago, mmokin said:

since you explained what you mean more i better understand your situation you more or less have to change the entire foundation of your facial bone structure as everything is angled downwards

were you a mouth breather or had orthodontic intervention before 12 by any chance ?

 

Yes I was a mouth breather. Luckily I didn't had orthodontic work done on me. I have a healthy bite, but still have a recessed chin (because of a recessed mandible)

On 3/26/2022 at 10:25 AM, mmokin said:

 

you need to be deformed to get a lefort 3 no ethical doctor is going to risk their medical license to do one for aesthetics, you already said your top 25% so even more unlikely.

tbh if you havent tried fillers yet go for them first to see if you even want the surgery before you spend thousands as they are alot of complications as you already know and the pay off is going to be not what you expect

I need a BiMax with CCW to set the stage for fillers in the jaw. 

On 3/26/2022 at 7:41 AM, mmokin said:

this is a sort of weird take i am not going to lie having attractive parents doesnt mean you will or wont be attractive furthermore it ignores gender dimporphisms and even goes into eugenics which is a whole other can of worms

 

@Nobodyyou probably have some undiagnosed BDD,looks are important but you reach diminishing returns and even the best surgery wont match up with biology, you cant be as good looking as henry cavil etc even with the best surgeons and best outcome but you can always look better though however.

the only 2 pieces of advice i can give you is that one :spending that much money to reach some idealised version of yourself is a pipe dream and a waste of time, just do what you can and be happy with what is good enough before it literally devours your entire life.

and two: if you are going to commit to plastic surgery than make the surgeries be one that actually IMPROVE your standard of living and as close to natural as possible, jaw implants for example are purely aesthetic and do not change the underlying bone at all furthermore they can actually erode your bone depending on the material used through long term friction a much better alternative would be orthodontic procedures like double jaw surgery, MSE etc. the reason we are attracted to certain body features is that they are usually signs of genetic health and gender dimorphism therefore attractive people are usually healthier than unattractive people so since we are changing both function and appearance the overall outcome can be seen more as a net positive than just pure vanity as there are going to be improvements to your bite, breathing airway etc.

 

Thanks for the reply. 

I'm realistic about the outcomes of plastic surgery. 

On 3/26/2022 at 12:05 AM, MAIZE1694 said:

Holy.

Here I am getting a transplant thinking i'm soulless, shallow etc.

Clavicle lengthening? Skull reshaping?

Mad lad. Best of luck!

You're not being shallow or soulless at all. If anything, it's the other shallow people that made you do this since I.

On 3/25/2022 at 11:23 PM, SadMan2021 said:

What are all the plastic surgeries? I'm curious. 

It's almost like a sales ploy that all these elite doctors have super long waiting times of say 1 yr or more. Konior is known to have a waitlist of 1 yr, but 90% of all the actual patient reviews and experiences, the patients get in and have surgery much earlier than that. The 1 yr wait time can play into the image/reputation factor that you are seeing an elite, very in-demand doctor. 

When there is a longer wait time, IMO it pressures the patient to act RIGHT AWAY and book their deposit asap. The longer you delay the longer the wait will be! Also, it can be verifiably sketch to have a doctor who only has a stated 1 month wait time or something. It means the doctor has no demand and probably sucks. 

That all being said, some people just get incredibly lucky. Maybe there is a last minute cancellation or other opening, and if your consultation is at the right moment, you can get in right away. 

I know a guy who just had surgery with Dr. Wong and he only had to wait a few weeks. I was also chatting with a Dr. Mwamba patient and he only had a 3 week wait-time. 

I've literally never ever seen a real-life example of this discussed, but I do think if you are mega-wealthy and perhaps want to pay 4 or 5x the quoted price, you can probably exchange someone else's appointment time. Or with that much money, the doctor will surely find a way to fit you in. 

I find it really hard to believe that A-list celebrities, athletes, and billionaires have to get in the back of the line and twiddle their thumbs like everyone else. 

Good analysis. Could be that it's for "show". 

On 3/25/2022 at 10:28 PM, Melvin- Moderator said:

Why are you trying to get surgery so soon? Never a good idea to try and rush, if the surgeon is good and has a wait of 1 year, that’s a dime in the bucket in the long run. 

I've been robbed of my youth because of my physical appearance. I feel like the clock is ticking... 

Hello,

Does anyone know any reputable surgeons with a low waiting time within Europe (under 6 months)? 

I'm willing to pay any price by now. Would also consider flying anywhere but the US

8 minutes ago, J.A.C said:

If you have stabilised your loss then I don’t actually see any reason why you wouldn’t get a Elite Dr/Clinic to accept you as a patient at around 25. Considering the waiting lists for some then it could be planned a year or so in advance. The danger is when the loss is still progressing and no med regime is in place, or it’s not working. What is the feedback your getting from the Clinics you have already consulted with? Do they mention the age or something else? 

They mention age and risk of further recession. 

On 3/23/2022 at 1:37 PM, J.A.C said:

@NobodyCould you post some pics? Thanks 🙏 

On 3/23/2022 at 11:30 AM, Gatsby said:

My friend you can't comprehend this now at age 23 (I certainly couldn't) but you will be feeling far more depressed and angry if you actually do go ahead and get cut with a hair transplant now. The older you get the more hair will continue to matter to you. You should know that but at 23 it would be impossible to.

Maybe. But your situation presumes that my hair situation somehow significantly worsens after a transplant and that a second transplant would not rectify that (I have a good donor area). 

What has happened has happened. However, I wish that I no longer have to deal with negative consequences later on in life. 

On 3/23/2022 at 2:20 AM, SadMan2021 said:

Any doctor willing to do a HT on a 23 yr old is not a doctor worth going to!!!!

NW2/NW3 is obviously not perfect hair, but if you are confident with it it should have no effect on your life. With a good hairstyle you can make moderate hairloss still look good. 

Please try organically living with hairloss - or literally any other non-surgical method - before making a mistake that can potentially haunt you for life. 

The years will fly by and you will be of proper age before you know it. And who knows, maybe by the time you reach your mid-late 20s you will think this whole HT business is entirely bonkers and want nothing to do with it. 

I've already tried Fin, and Minoxidil for 18+ months. So I tried all there is non-surgically. 

I personally think it's not worth getting a hair transplant later on in life. Hair matters less and less the more you age. . 

If I keep getting rejected from Top Surgeons, I might have to grab a Hairsystem for now. But I presume that my hairloss will get worse then for not using Minoxdil and not doing Mesotherapy. So it's a bad fix after all. 

Hello,

I'm around NW2 to NW3 now. I'm looking to restore my hairline to NW1. Per estimations, around 3-4k grafts will be necessary.