Samuelg

4 hours ago, 12345 said:

you could try doing this whole micro-dosing that you see everyone spewing on the internet here, but it really is not worth the sides and having them permanently. i took fin for a year, it took about 6 months to go back to normal after i quit , and even i wouldn't say i am back to my original baseline. so if you have sides, my advice is to just let it go. 

alternatives? try other anti-androgen blockers, and see if you can use them without having sides. its going to be a trial and error basis, but unfortunately, i think once you are sensitive to these meds, you will most likely be sensitive to all the different type of anti-androgens.

breezula, pantosin, and eucapil are the ones i would try

Yes maybe these sides warn for something more dangerous to come, good for u you quit.
Thanks for the advice, tbh letting go is the rational decision to take, it's only the emotional side of us getting attached and desperate for a solution.

14 hours ago, 12345 said:

considering that post fin syndrome is a real thing, i wouldnt touch it with a stick if you get sides from it.  wouldnt risk having permanent sexual sides

True. but then you're left with two questions
1- what if a lower dose will work?
2- what are the alternatives?

 

55 minutes ago, z4ydi said:

what 

I know that oral finastride can have side effects but what side effects do you get with the topical fin? is it the same as oral finastrides which relates to sexual side effects or is it different? can you please explain as I am thinking of starting the topical fin. thanks 

I had all the same sides I had with oral except kidney pain when taking the pill and ball ache.
you should start it and see for yourself things are different from a person to another, I only recommend start with a very low concentration, preferably 0.001 if you can find it, and go up from there (be careful with how many droppers or sprays you have, each one counts!)

On 1/16/2023 at 11:49 PM, arthurSam said:

Hello what are your sides effects ? I am too at 0.01% and get sides too like banalitis (my penile hurt) but I wait hoping they will disappear... all was ok for 4 month and now I got sides ....

 

I have done blood test and my dht is reduced by 40% so I think with less concentration it could be better... some say that you must find the right dosage for dht to not be reduced by more than 20% in blood which is the standard fluctuation of dht level without medication 

I think the duration of enzyme production varies from person to another, I've tried the topical formulation only once and had ED just like I had sides with the first pill of fin. topical was not as bad as it was with oral tho.
how many milliliters you apply? and have you had sides with oral before?
I don't know about the dosage I hope that's the case too but I've asked some people who seemed to be so sensitive, they said if you keep pushing it you'll get PFS, again it varies from one to another.
 

10 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

What brand of topical finasteride are you using? Not all topicals are created equal, just like surgeons. 

Most topicals absorb rapidly in the blood stream causing a sudden drop in systemic DHT. You should consider topical dutasteride. The molecular weight is heavier than finasteride which means it absorbs less in the bloodstream.

Xyon just released their topical dutasteride formula which ill be switching too shortly. 

https://www.xyonhealth.com/topical-dutasteride/

Unfortunately I'm not in the US or Europe so I'm using what's available here - a homemade solution - we only have the 5mg pill here so I cut it into 5pcs and mix it with Foolfeed (an italian hair topical used mainly for hair nutrition) for a concentration of 0.1mg per ml my question is more about the dosage rather than brands becuase that's not an option for me 

Hello guys
So after I've had crazy sides with Oral Finasteride, I decided to stop it at the 3rd pill, waited a month, then tried Topical and I've had sides with with a very low dose 0.1g/ml (applied 1ml to my head), it took my body 5 days to go back to normal even after such a low dose (according to studies the difference in lowering systemic DHT isn't that much between 0.1mg and 1mg so I wasn't that surprised)
I'm thinking of trying lower doses probably 0.01g/ml or 0.001g/ml but I think my body is hyper sensitive to this drug, or maybe if the dose is too low to the point of no sides it probably won't do much also.
It's crazy how some people get their DHT levels to decrease by 80-90% and still function properly without any sides...makes no sense at all 

has anyone had success with very low doses using Topical Fin?


PS: please don't tell me placebo I'm very sure it's not. 

that is so helpful!
I'll research all those and sorry for the attachment I have cropped it to only show the area in question 

48 minutes ago, BLE123 said:

Can you be sure that they are actually the clinic's results? There are a lot of shady clinics out there who will use someone else's results and present them as their own, some will even use pics of guys who don't even have any hair loss. 

wow how deceiving!! I'll do more research then and keep reading here until I'm sure of which clinic to go with.
thank you

On 10/24/2021 at 10:04 AM, Mdc2021 said:

There's been some activity on this thread, that I have missed! I've got a physical consultation with Bisanga in the beginning of the next week. Very excited to hear his thoughts. I've definitely come to the conclusion that this is something I will not gamble with, and therefore will stay in Europe and have the procedure.

happy that you're finally going through this!
I have your exact condition with family history and all I also have inflammation in my scalp (subborheic dermatitis) since I was 14 (now 26) besides my life is very stressful, all those accumulate to cause us severe hairloss, but the main reason is DHT. I'll have a HT soon too once I decide on a doctor 
Keep us updated & best of luck! 

41 minutes ago, BLE123 said:

It's a combination of factors.

The main one is what you mentioned, it's the multiple hair grafts that creates the fake look. Only fine singles should be used at the very front of the hairline. Secondly, the placement of the grafts is also crucial in creating a natural hairline. Even if they use the correct grafts(fine singles) it still won't look natural if they're all perfectly aligned, the hairs need to be staggered and placed in a "random" pattern. Density is also very important, if there are big gaps or not enough hair behind the hairline then again it's not going to look right. The shape itself also plays a part, too straight is too straight even if all the above factors are adhered to so it's important to get the right shape for your face.

Ultimately, the reason you see some natural results and some fake looking results is down to the quality of the surgeon. Go to a good one and you won't have to worry about whether they're going to give you a natural looking result or not.

I see! 
The results I've shared are all from the same clinic that's why it made me wonder if it's a must to have that "hairmill"
I'm not sure why the attached image was delete from the topic, can I re-attach it if I hide people's faces?

36 minutes ago, JC71 said:

Your looking at pics from a “hairmill” spend time on the forum looking at decent/ethical clinics and see how natural they are:

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/hair-transplant-surgeons.asp?sr=HRN-MOB

Hello thank you for the clarification I'm totally new here and been trying to gather the most info I can.
I definately don't want a hairmill! Are all the doctors in that link reliable? is there a whole section in the forum showing the doctors and members reviews about them?
Unfortunately I'm from a country that doesn't allow traveling to those countries for a hairtransplant Turkey is the only option I have
Btw you're very active in the forum thank you for your guidance it really helps new peope like me.

Hello
I keep seeing this pattern intransplanted hairlines (check attachments)

The top left candidat's hairline is very good while the other looks so thick and unnatural 
Is it because in the first situation they implanted grafts with 1 hair instead of grafts with multiple hairs? or is it because of the distance between each graft?
Also sometimes the hairline looks like a straight line while in the natural scenario it's a bit different 
I wanna go though a HT but this hairline issue is very confusion and most of people with HT on the internet have the same thing