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It's a little strange you shed so much 3 months in and after 5 months the density is still very weak. Did you contact the clinic? I'm one month in from Dr Turan and I've not shed much at all so far. Hopefully you will start to accelerate soon!

25 minutes ago, Ramin said:

Hey there, after reading you thread and out chat before surgery, I did mention my concerns about the crown and mid scalp many time and I ended up with almost 3950 graphs, which i was told around 2700 of them implanted in crown and mid scalp, hope fully it will be enough, but unfortunately im not satisfied with my hair line .  Anyway I did open a thread with my picture you can check it out. Again hope we all be happy at the end 🤞

You didn't need 2700 in the crown 2000 max and the rest in mid scalp. I can't understand why they put so little on my crown. I contacted the clinic to ask them to review this. Best of luck to you!

On 4/11/2024 at 5:45 PM, SeanT1 said:

Hello everyone, 
Back in September 2021 I had my first ever transplant with Dr Balwi at Elithair.
I was very happy with the result and the amount of coverage they achieved with 3400 grafts.
However, they never worked on my temporal corners and the hairline somewhat lacked density.

This year, I travelled to Istanbul to get a second hair transplant with FUECapilar in hopes to;
1. Improve hairline Density.
2. Improve Temporal Corners.
3. Have a surgery without shaving top of head (issues ahead).

Here I will log the monthly results as well as explain my experience with this clinic.

Total Cost of second transplant (excluding flights)
4000 Euro

Traveling to Istanbul - Hotel package - Airport pickup
Like most Turkish clinics, All I had to do was arrive at the airport and a driver would be waiting to collect me to take me to a hotel that is included in the deal.
I had to look for a sign between column 12/13 at the airport which said "Stop 33".  I crossed the pavement and was greeted by a man who called a driver for me.
We arrived at the hotel within 2 hours (from SAW airport).  The hotel was decent, there was no issues with hygiene and everything was in order.  
It was 4*, although it felt 3*, it no longer offered room service or mini-fridge (however, it does offer breakfast/lunch & dinner in the hotel restaurant).  In addition to this, the food was quite basic.  However the staff of the hotel are kind and happy to help.  Overall the hotel was a comfortable experience.  The same day, I also had blood tests taken at a nearby hospital.

 

Day of procedure - Planning - Extra cost - Surgery - Dr Dogan Turan
On the day of the procedure, I was picked up from the hotel and brought to the clinic at 8.30am.  There I was greeted by a translator who brought me into a room with Dr Turan.
Dr Turan does not speak English, so the translator had to ask any (and all) questions.  They asked simple questions such as what my expectations are and also filled in some paperwork.  This took no more than 10 minutes.

We then proceeded into another room, Dr Turan planned a new hairline design with temporal corner improvements and rounding my widows peak into a healthier shape.
I was happy with the design Dr Turan drew, it filled in my temporal corners perfectly while not lowering the lowest part of my hairline yet lowering the rest.

After drawing the hairline, we then discussed the non-shaven process, this is where things got complicated. 
I was told many times before arriving to Istanbul that we can expect 1500-2000 grafts to be taken and used to increase density within my existing hair as well as improving temporal corners through a non-shaven surgery (top of head remaining unshaven).  However, about 30 minutes before the actual surgery (before my donor got shaven) I was then told that Dr Turan can NOT place follicles in between existing hairs with a non-shaven procedure.  This wasn't an issue specifically to my case, he does not do this in general.  So despite being told many times that density will be improved by implanting grafts in-between existing hairs, the total amount of grafts that could be placed was reduced from 1500-2000 grafts to 833 grafts.
On top of this issue, a non-shaven transplant cost an extra 400 Euro.  Why? I am not sure.  I was not getting the graft count that I was promised by placing within existing hairs.
They told me if I wanted my original amount, I must be fully shaven.  I grudgingly declined, yet I had no idea what I was paying extra money for.

 

Being confident with the hairline design, we proceeded with the surgery.
The whole surgery took around 4 hours, a tech extracted the follicles and Dr Turan implanted them with DHI technique.
I felt his work was quite clean, he even placed some grafts in-between hairs in the end, but no where near the amount I was expecting (1500-2000 grafts).

In addition to this, I feel that the full planned area was not covered.  Specifically in the temporal zones, however I might be overthinking.
As you can see in the image above, the goal was to fill the whole temporal zone on the right side of my head (picture 2), however, it seems he only covered about 2/3.

 

The staff at FUECapilar have been very friendly, they even offered to pay my flight home at the risk of bad traffic preventing me from missing my flight.

Overall, I think Dr Turan did clean work, but 4000 Euro for 833 grafts (Including the additional 400 euro cost for not shaving the top yet not implanting in-between hairs), was it worth it?  I'll leave it up to you guys to decide.
Personally, I'm disappointed about being misinformed regarding non-shaven graft amount, as well as the temporal zones not being fully filled like shown in the drawn hairline design.
Although, if the density of the new lowered hairline masks the lack of density from my original transplant in 2021 then I would be happy to have used minimal grafts as opposed to a larger number to resolve this issue.  Time will tell.

I will continue to post updates as the months pass, despite some of the complications, I have good faith in Dr Turan as a transplant surgeon.

I hope everyone is having a great hair restoration journey! 😄

 

Additional reference from PDF;

Dude why wouldnt you just shave your head if you couldnt get the results you wanted? I mean dont take this the wrong way but in my opinion the state of your hair looks much funnier than if you just had it shaved. Im not really sure I understand your reasoning here...all the same I wish you good results!

On 4/11/2024 at 6:43 PM, Ramin said:

Mine took place on April 8-9, then we both were there on same day!

Hey man how was your experience? 

13 hours ago, patronovski said:

Disappointing result from Fue Capliar

13 hours ago, patronovski said:

Disappointing result from Fue Capliar

Yeap. I'm disappointed as well with my mine. Dr doesn't seem to care much and is all about the cash.

On 4/9/2024 at 4:54 PM, Al - Moderator said:

 

Yes thats true. I don't disagree with you on that. This is a downside of going to a Dr who doesn't speak the same language as the patient. What you want can get lost in translation and you won't even know it until it's too late and it's not necessarily the Drs fault. We really don't know in this case.

 

 

Thanks for your response, I dont know if its the translators fault or the dr but I clearly emphasized and told the translator to tell the doctor I wanted to focus on the crown as it was almost if not completely bald. I told him i needed much more than 1000 grafts and to prioritize the crown. It doesnt make sense to have such a dense hairline and now a still bald crown and thinning top. He took over 4000 grafts and there are mostly in the hairline which was not nearly as bad as the crown.

On 4/10/2024 at 2:03 PM, GoliGoliGoli said:

To be honest I don't think your hairline needed any work at all. It will probably look great when it grows out but from a planning perspective I would've focused only on the crown for now and save the hairline for later or at least only minimally touch the hairline. It's just a pretty darn aggressive hairline and you might wish you had saved those grafts later. Are you on Fin and Min?

For reference, our crown's are fairly similar in size (I had a bit more loss than you I think) and I had 2000 grafts put there and it still looks "thinning". I also had A LOT of 3 hair grafts which aided my coverage. So hopefully Turan put close to 2000 in the crown but looking at it I think it's closer to 1000 or less. 

I was using topical finasteride on and off and now decided to switch to oral 0.5mg everyday since topical was so messy and annoying to apply. I agree with you. Im pissed about the crown and I dont know what to do. Im sure they wont refund me partially thats for sure. I just cant understand the logic when i specifically told the translator to tell him to focus more on that crown and that i wanted 2k in the crown and 2k in the front max. I dont know what to do at this point...

The results from your first surgery with Apaydin are not good i must say. Very poor density and bad hairline design. Lets hope your second surgery fixes this. All the best and happy growing!

20 hours ago, Divinehair said:

Happy growing...You did a great choice of surgeon and you will have a very dense hairline. I think hairline is the most important part and it needs high density so it doesn't look see through. You can always go for a touch up next year to add some density for crown , so thats not a problem at all. Be patient for your final result.

Thanks a lot. Im curious to see if the multiple grafts they put in the crown will add more coverage as the hairline is mostly singles. Perhaps this is why density needs to be higher in the hairline, I dont know what it is but i just hate having a bald spot. I feel like peoples eyes burn a whole in the back of my head which could be paranoia but it just bothers me lol. 

3 minutes ago, shiba1985 said:

Prior to surgery his crown looks more attention drawing (negatively) than his hairline. If you are going to go through the whole process you want to address and prioritize what bothers the patient first. 
 

his crown is still gonna look bald given the density distribution and he is going to have to go through the whole process again, not to mention the juicier follicles are used up for the hairline.

 

but I guess that’s the trade off or sacrifices you make when prioritizing cost.

Thanks for your feeback and I agree with you. I'm not sure if things got lost in translation or the doctor ignored my concern altogether since  he doesnt speak English but yes,my crown was the biggest concern. The front is much easier to hide as nobody walks around pulling their hairline back. I didnt think Turans price was cheap for Turkish clinics to be honest...Yes it sucks that I will have to go through this process all over again. Any recommendations for clinics in europe at a reasonable price? I cant afford more than 2 euros per graft and think I will need about another 1000 at least for the crown, DHI seems to be the least invasive measure..

20 hours ago, SeanToman said:

Impressive density!

thanks and I agree. I believe Turan is a good doctor just wish there was a better way of communicating with him. All in all Turan is an ethical and good Doctor especially for the price.

2 hours ago, Gramatik said:

Happy growing. It is clear that more grafts were implanted in the hairline which has high density compared to crown area. In general doctors always give more emphasis on hairline compared to crown area, because it is what most people observe.  However you could always try smp on crown to make the contrast between hairs and skin less visible.

Hey thanks for the comment. Yes I was thinking about some smp but I also may go back to do another 1000 grafts in the crown. I dont see how he even cou,d have put 1000 grafts there and I told him to put more than the quoted 1200 in my analysis. Im a bit annoyed by this.

12 hours ago, Miller1980 said:

Really clean work from dr Turan. I wish you the best...could you tell us the cost of your hair transplant for the 4000 grafts?

€5000- €250 discount since I booked it last minute. I was originally going to go with Yaman but I changed my mind two weeks before the operation. 

1 hour ago, Shadman said:

Overall work looks good, best wishes 👍

Thanks man lets hope. Just wish the crown was denser..

1 hour ago, Ramin said:

I tried to send you massage directly, buy unfortunately I wasn’t able to do so. Exactly same you my biggest concern is the crown not hairline, and its noticeable they did work more on you hairline line!
Do you have any idea how many graph have been used yo cover the crown? 

I have no idea because I dont have the report yet. It takes time for the clinic to send it out they said. Originally in my proposal Dr. Turan recommended 1000-1200 grafts in the crown but I told the translator to tell them its not enough and to add more to the crown. I know clinics tend to favor the hairline apparently its easier to get density there and the results are better. The crown apparently has less blood flow which means less grafts survive after implanted so you need to put a lot more there. Im sure I will have to have another transplant for the crown which im not looking forward to but it should be a lot easier this time. To me it doesnt even look like 1000 grafts were in the crown to be honest. That pisses me off because the crown really bothers me as my hair is dark and thick especially when it grows and my skin is fair so it looks so obvious the bald spot. I dont know what to do at this point.. Just try to stay calm and make sure the translator doesnt rush and you tell him a few times to focus on the crown and that you want the crown as dense as possible because the bald spot is your main concern, perhaps he has a good reason for not filling the crown for me i dont know..

Sure no problem. I hope it goes well for you. Just make sure your translator listens to all of your concerns and if you have to be annoying and don't be shy because the doctor won't speak with you. You should be fine try not to worry. 

Thanks for your comment. Yes, overall I can see they really prioritized the hairline and i'm not sure why. I havent been given the graft distribution as of yet but hopefully will receive it soon. Perhaps I didnt insist enough on the crown but I thought I made it pretty clear. Perhaps I have already started shedding from the crown area. Too early to tell. 

Hey everyone,

I got a hair transplant in Istanbul on March 27th at FUE capilar with Dr. TURAN. I was originally going to go with yaman but when doing more research I liked that Turan was the one implanting the grafts and felt he was a more ethical doctor. Upon arriving everything was pretty smooth except the hotel I was originally stating in was pretty crappy and had to move rooms 3 times. I asked the coordinator kerem to please move me to another hotel which they did after the second night and I really appreciated. I was picked up the next day to have my surgery which would be split into 2 sessions since I needed 4000 grafts for the front and crown. The doctor doesn't speak a word of English or doesn't seem interested at even attempting to to be honest. Everyone was nice Ahmet the translator seems like a nice kid but the whole thing felt very rushed to be honest. Anyway, when the doctor began to draw my hairline I mentioned to Kerem that I wanted my crown to have more emphasis during the procedure as that was my main concern with my hair. I have fair skin and dark hair with a big bald spot which makes it very obvious. I believe Ahmet  relayed this message to Dr Turan but it seems the entire evaluation was rushed and  it couldn't have been more than 5-10 minutes.  I should have been more insistant now that I think about it but I trusted the doctor knew what to do with all of his experience. Anyway the operation took 2 days and as everyone im sure knows the anesthesia was the most painful part. The clinic was OKAY it seemed clean but at the same time not the most up to date but I have no idea what the standard is for a Hair transplant clinic as this is my first one. Honeslty the hygenic standards of the  surgical tools were questionable to me but I could be wrong. All in all I have to say at this point I'm a bit disappointed with the clinic and doctor as I just felt the entire procedure was rushed and felt very transactional. Not once did Dr Turan ask if I was okay during the operation it was only mehmet or the nurses who made the attempt to ask me if I was okay or feeling any pain. To me this is weird as the doctor is the one who should be most concerned. This could be the language barrier but I don't know.  Let's see guys I will post some pics of before and after and I would really appreciate everyone's feedback on my case as I'm pretty disappointed at this point. 

I think FUE capilars price is very reasonable. If anything its cheap. Anything cheaper there is a reason for that. Why do you think Yaman charges a flat rate lol cmon.

Mike, how can you be so deceiving and misleading as to make people believe you’re an actual patient?!!

Thats really sleezy and tacky man 

shame on you. 

This guy works for cosmedica!!!