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Personally, I don't think so. It's a large area and you are virtually guaranteed to lose a lot of the existing hair in that area over time. If some of the hairs are miniaturizing, the procedure itself could cause some of the hair to be permanently lost. I feel that with your kind of diffuse loss over a wide area, only larger procedures make any long-term sense.

 

But I am basing that on only one photo.

This.

As someone who has had three hair transplants who cannot take finasteride I will tell you now you will loose all the hair around where the transplanted hair will be. Ethical hair transplant doctors will not tell you this unless you ask which was a sad situation for me. If you have had hair transplanted in the hairline then I understand you will want to do something about the mid scalp as it will start to look odd. Here are your options.

1. Leave it as it is and use concealers. Hold on for as long as possible - there are some promising treatments coming out in the next 3 years. I know people have been saying that for 20+ years but the science and laws in Japan give me hope something will come out soon. Impatience and hair transplantation are not a good combination. I would take this option if I were you as you can always peruse the below options if a few years pass and nothing comes out. Remember you will loose all that mid scalp hair within a year if you transplant in that area.

2. You could go ahead with what you are saying and transplant into mid scalp and crown. But as others have stated you will need more than 1500 grafts and probably a mixture of body hair also. I would say 3000 grafts would be the absolute MINIMUM.

3 You could just repair the mid scalp and leave the crown thus preserving more grafts. Preserving grafts is key.

Hi all, I sent my pre-op pictures to 3 different doctors in India (2 Fue, 1 FUT using Trichophytic Closure).

 

One says I need 2200 grafts. Another says 3000. Third says 4000.

 

I'm very confused.

 

Also, the FUT doctor claims I will have invisible scars (he's the cheapest of the lot). Can I trust him in his claim? All 3 are recommended and reviewed in this forum.

Even the best FUT surgeons CANNOT predict how visible your FUT scar will be as it depends on your skin characteristics. It goes without saying to go to a top doctor in any case.

As someone who has gone with FUT avoid it and go with FUE.

Firstly I want to say that this hair transplant looks very good and is very professional. It looks undetectable and Dr Umar is a fantastic surgeon.

I was just curious what people thought of this case. I think the guy looked better before the transplant. It looks more masculine before the temples and hairline were brought forward. I just don't think this looks right especially when the guy gets to 80 years old etc.

He seems like a very competent surgeon just don't bother asking for a small procedure like a FUT scar fill in as his team says the same thing another person posted on this tread - your donor is too low. I have been quoted as having 2500 - 3000 grafts left after my two FUTs so it just seems like an excuse. Anyway I assume most people here want at least 2000 grafts so I would say go to him if he accepts you.

I am a year post op so I doubt it's shock loss. I guess i could be retrograde alopecia though I would of thought the hair above the scar would be somewhat thin as well but there is a big change of thickness below and above.

I am getting FUE into the scar soon and I have been assured by several prominent surgeons the hair below will not be shocked by this though It is causing me anxiety. If I theoretically lost all hair below the FUT scar I suppose I would have to get hair transplanted below it.

At least with the FUE into the scar I will be able to cut my hair shorter which masks the problem of the hair being wispy below.

There are many who warn against FUT and someone who has had two I would say if you are thinking of getting a HT go with FUE (with a top surgeon of course). Having the FUT scar is really not worth it especially if something goes wrong and you need to shave your head. I went with a surgeon on the recommended list but things can go wrong down the line.

After my second FUT all hair below the scar is thinner than above it. I've read this could be due to the blood supply being attenuated. I think I have retrograde alopecia but I would of thought above the scar would be thin too but the density and texture change is very different either side of the scar. I guess there is nothing I can do about this but I thought I would post here too get peoples thoughts. Would micro needling be an option to try and stimulate the circulation of my scalp?

So just to confirm it does not make a difference how a technician puts in a hair. It is determined by the way the incision is made prior to this?

The incisions the doctors make as I understand influence the direction the hair will grow in but does the way a hair is put into the incision play a part?

Hello all. I am getting BHT done soon and was wondering if I should stop washing my hair with nizoral? The shampoo helps protect DHT sensitive hair but will it diminish body hair? Thank you

If you look at my story on my post history it will explain why this happened.

I appreciate the reply. Though my surgeon assures me they will not be visible to the naked eye at that length. I have never done FUE before so I need to know how visible the scaring will be. I have seen BHT on the beard and you cannot see the white dots so surely hair on 2cm must be fine? What bunch size do the top docs use 0.6mm?

Need help everyone. I have had too many grafts put in the frontal third and one prominent surgeon on here has recommended FUEing them elsewhere. I have my hair on top at least 2cm and the FUEing would be behind the hairline. However an advisor of another clinic said I should not do that because the FUE scars will be visible. Apparently they are more visible on the top of the head rather than the sides and back. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.

I am perplexed by this whole issue as I have seen very good FUE surgeons take thousands of beard grafts and you cannot see scars. I would of thought if my hair is over 2cm FUE would not be a problem. I thought FUE had evolved over the years and not still in the big pokeadot holes scars age.

Hi everyone need your help. My donor area seems to be thinning and I was wondering how effective PRP with ACell is? At the very least will it do no harm if I got this treatment? Thanks.

Yeah, when I went back for the second, free procedure the doctor specifically aimed for singles and tried to cherry pick lighter hairs, but still....doubles all the way across!

 

I just think I have very thick hair in part because my hair follicles must naturally have doubles and triples..or something, I don't know. I don't really get it. But what I do think is there is no point on adding density if the hair color is wrong, the caliber is thick (which I swear seems thicker than native hair in the back) or fair follicles are prone to doubles!

 

But I appreciate the comments Gillenator.

 

I think for me the frustration is that it's sooo close to working, it is POSSIBle to transfer hair. But in the end it's an aesthetic failure as a procedure - at least for the results that I was expecting. But for the guys who have been happy with their result I'm glad for them.

 

But we'll see when I get some hairs electrolyzed if that makes things look better. If the hairs were just lighter, and not so thick, and not so many doubles across the front, then I would be relatively happy I think, even if the density is still a little questionable.

Whose your doctor? They should not be practicing if they said they were going to be put singles in the hairline and they put doubles.

Yeah, I think that's the predominant theory; however, I have plucked the hairs in the front out and plucked hairs randomly from the back, and repeatedly the transplanted hairs look much thicker and darker than native hairs from the back. Sometimes I wonder if the graft could have been damaged during the transplant process...but I'm not sure why that would make it thicker and darker.

 

Well, anyway, I agree that your side looks very odd. To me, though, the dominant issue isn't necessarily the direction - though I do get your concern as I have the same concerns, but rather the thickness and darkness. I mean, if the transplanted hairs were fine and lighter, the direction might not look so odd. However, when it looks like beard hair growing along your temple, then it looks quite strange I think. Certainly in my case I have found that to be the biggest issue. I have some finer lighter hairs, but honestly one doesn't notice them because the darker hairs make the lighter hairs "invisible" in that the eye doesn't see the lighter hair; rather, the eye notices a "gap" between the darker hairs, and so I find that the transplant actually exaggerates a thinning look, aside from the bizarre, pluggy look of doubles and triples in the front.

 

Well, Tuesday I have my first electrolysis appointment, so we'll see how that goes.

 

But good luck to you, "TheLook". I would really like to hear how Dr. Bisanga would address the difference in hair color and diameter, though I can probably already guess: "FUE some finer hairs." Which is what I was told when I went back to "soften" the hairline. But they don't really look any finer, and the newer ones still came in as doubles all across the front!

 

 

 

I have been told that nape hair is problematic - I don't know about leg hair. But I would like to see some examples.

I would say no. If it has, it really isn't satisfactory.

 

There are actually 3 problems; it is not simply an issue of thickness.

 

1) FIRST AND FOREMOST I would say is the hair color - which is very dark. If you look at my photos in my profile, you will see that the transplanted hairs on top are significantly darker than on the side.

 

2) Thickness. The darker, thicker hairs at the front of the hairline just look off. I mean, if they had been lighter or the same color as the hair on the sides maybe it wouldn't be such an issue; or maybe if they had been as thin as the hair on the sides maybe it wouldn't be such an issue in spite of the the darker color.

But combine the darker color with thicker diameter, and it just looks a bit strange, especially when other hairs behind and around the transplanted hairs are lighter and thinner.

 

3) Numerous doubles in the hairline just add to the strangeness of it all. You end up with a dark, thick "tree trunk" at the front of your hairline.

 

Honestly, at times it looks like black surgical stitches - especially the doubles. It also depends on lighting. Sometimes it looks worse than others, other times, it's not so noticeable depending on the lighting.

 

On top of that, the redness that persisted until I had 2 V-Beam treatments last spring just added further strangeness to it all.

 

Now that the redness has finally left after the V-Beam treatments, the eye isn't quite so drawn to the hairline anymore - though 2 weeks ago a young female colleague took a perplexed double look at my hairline twice while I was speaking to her. I moved in a bit closer and spoke just a bit louder to draw her attention back to my face, and then ended the conversation before retreating back to my office area where I proceeded to "smooth" the hairline out and place it in such a way that it might not attract further scrutiny.

Have you thought about softening the hairline with leg hair?

I would like the BHR clinic representative to respond to my question above, if possible. I just wonder about the ability to make transplanted hairs really match the softer, native hairs in the front. Je suis frequentement en Europe, et j'ai pensee de venir au clinic BHR avant. Mais...s'il n'est pas possible de fabriquer, de creer un similarite entre les deux, je ne vois pas un raison d'arreter chez vous.

Dr Umar uses nape and leg hair to soften hair in the hairline. He brings it forward slightly too.

I've been plucking for 3 years now at least. Over 5 years since the original H.T. How long does it take? I

 

Next step for me is electrolysis in a couple weeks.

Has the hair not started to grow back a bit thinner after three years?

Hi peapody. Have you considered body hair transplants. Leg hair is perfect for refining your hairline. Also another thing you should start doing is plucking your hairline in order to thin it out. As it has been pointed out your surgeon has put the thickest hair from your FUT procedure in the front which gives it an unnatural appearance. Start plucking and you will start having a more feathered hairline.

The closest your hairline hair diameter is to your temple triangle diameter. The more natural the result.

After you've had several successful procedures but without addressing the temple points, you really have to have a final one to make things 100 natural looking.

 

Dr, Bisanga's excellent work in my temple corners grew in so thick (60cm2 according to his count) that my greying sides and temple peaks required a specific procedure to address it, the only other alternative would have been to cut my hair very short and also dye my hair on the sides.

 

I prefer having thicker hair in the temple points then the alternative, which will start growing in about a few weeks time now hopefully from my latest procedure.

And if I ever have any future touch ups, those will include the temple points as well.

 

As I mentioned, most docs really don't want to transplant in this area due to conservative approach, so you either really have to almost beg them to do it or address it in a "final procedure."

Your hair looks really good. Did Bisanga do all your work?

I'm kinda miffed on this one. I get it where holding back grafts in the bank for future hairloss, but never heard it would look unnatural unless you was using face/body hair, that I can see the reason but from the donor? Nope im confused.

interesting to see what the veterans have to say though.

The reason for this is because a lot of people with hair loss have diffuse sides which means if you were to bring in the temple triangles with hair you would end up with a cm of thick hair at the sides with thin hair behind it. Not to mention the possibility of permanent shock loss. It is a serious problem with no feasible solution IMO.

I second aWidowsPeak. I have seen many transplants where the "wrong" type of hair caliber was placed into the hairline. This is really not a textbook example of that. It looks like fairly good placement to be honest. I, and many others, are of the mindset that if you have a good result, quit while you're ahead (with respect to hair and the related finances). You have a good result, and shock loss is far more common in the donor area with fue. My advice, do not do anything and know that if anyone's looking at your head, they're looking because you have a good head of hair now.

Thank you for your reply. Just to confirm I would not disrupt the donor by getting FUEs from the donor. I would get the FUEs from the frontal third of my head to put into the FUT scar.

Thank you for all your replies. It's encouraging to hear positive feedback and it's appreciated.

In terms of FUE into the FUT scar - one leading HT surgeon has told me I would not lose side hair if I got FUE into the FUT scar but what do you all think of this? The FUT scar at the side has got fairly thin hair around it. What are the chances this surrounding hair would be disrupted please?

Others have also agreed with the HT surgeon and I will ask more surgeons in the coming months. I have seen men with no hair loss that sometimes have thin sides so perhaps also some men have thin sides such as myself but the hair is there to stay? What are you guys thoughts on this?

Thanks again.

To be honest mate I think your hair looks really good. From a cosmetic perspective at the front it certainly isn't obvious you've undergone surgery and I don't see how your hairline would draw attention.

 

Are you sure you're not just being paranoid?

I wouldn't say I am being paranoid but it certainly is reassuring for members here to say they think things look ok. Maybe more people were looking up before I starting plucking the hair at the front. Before the plucking there were some really thick hairs in the front and a couple of 2s as well.

the third picture I posted is the one out of over 30 pictures I think looks the worst hence why I posted it. I do not know something does not look quite right but I can't put my finger on it. I think maybe the gaps between the hairs are too wide?

Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it.

I think your hair looks really good. You have had over 7k grafts, you should expect your donor to be somewhat thinned. I would touch it. It looks great. Do you have any pre op pics? Are you on meds? I think it is way too early to even start thinking about moving hair. Enjoy what you got now.

Thanks for the reply.

I do not intend to redistribute hair anytime soon apart from maybe moving grafts into the FUT scar. basically I got too many grafts and these pictures are only 6 months in.

I sometimes use concealer on the sides which helps but I wanted the pictures to look as 'honest' as possible.

Both my previous ops were FUT so I do not know why my sides are thin and am concerned FUE into the FUT scar would shock the side hair and that will fall out. Do you think that is possible and do you think maybe 100 or so grafts would be good to refine the hairline?

Thanks a lot.

Ps. No meds and pre op pics - none to hand though I probably should of waited several more years before getting a HT. My original hair wasn't that bad, but when I got the first HT I suffered permanent shock loss and it all fell out the surrounding area hence my justification for the second. Obviously the process is non reversible so I am looking for advice to improve it and continue with my life.

Too much hair? That's a first!! Who was your doc? I'd like to have a consult with him.

Can you post some pics so that we can see the issue?

Sounds like you had great yield.

I have posted my results here:

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184888-my-results-need-your-help.html