Pats205

Hello. Maybe someone here can help me. About 6 years ago I did 2 FUSS surgeries with Alvi Armani. I went all the way to Canada. After 2 years I did FUE in UK.

 

Now I ended up with a scar..... and my hair is thin and with bald patches.

 

I started using Regaine this month as I lost hope about 2 years ago and did not use anything.

 

Does someone know how I can get in touch with Alvi Armani? I have tried for ages and I always get through his agents. I want to tell him that it did not work and maybe he can help me. But his agents always say that he is busy!

 

Can someone tell me of what I can do please? I am 29 years of age and I really want to have hair. I am even thinking of buying a hairpiece but I think I am too young for that. I am shy to use a hairpiece.

BJOCAS,

If you would like to forward me photos of your current hair situation I would be happy to present them to Dr. Armani and have him take a look for an evaluation. You can email me photos at eric@alviarmani.com

You can always reach us at 1-310-652-6444 extension 1.

Keep a close eye on my posts/threads. I'm about to reveal corruption and fraud with Alvi Armani's clinic and his bullshyt reps and tactics.

 

As far as your pimples on the temples and hairline goes, they're there for life. Armani's patients are well known for having those same rigids/bumps after a hair transplant. They will continue to tell you what they've told me and everyone else that they will go away, use fucidin cream, go to a dermatologist, they're temporary, etc etc, but they're only buying time. And when you wait and wait and wait like I have been, they're going to say "oh, it's been 2 yrs since your hair transplant. You took some drugs, or didn't take care of it properly and it is your fault". They just did that to me on Hairs*te and banned me for no reason except that I was about to post pics that very day of my butchered results.

 

I had a yield of about 5%. But you also hav to keep in mind that you won't be able to judge the growth for atleast another 8 months to see which direction you;re headed. But I can 100% assure you those bumps are there for life.

 

Good luck to you my friend.

Einstein,

I am sorry that you feel unsatisfied but I am afraid you have left some very important details of your story and you are misleading the readers of this forum purposely creating a negative image of Dr. Armani and Alvi Armani.

The facts show that you have had an excellent result from your Alvi Armani hair transplant, but you have affected that result by self medicating and failing to seek medical advice.

You had your first procedure with Dr. Armani in November 2003 for about 2500 grafts with the FUSS technique. You had a second procedure with the FUE technique in March of 2009 for 2,500 grafts.

At 5 months post op from your latest FUE procedure you had seen a significant amount of growth from your procedure. Further you went on to post your 5 month photos and told all the Hair Site readers how happy you were with the result.

Not only you were getting excellent growth but you still had 6 more months to go for the final results to show.

This is your own posting at 5 months:

“Well here we go. i honestly wasn't going to post any photos but I must admit, I'm beyond satisfied with the results. Quite frankly it's surpassed my expectations. Here they are, both pre-op and post-op. There's no bias here so feel free to ask any questions and I'll answer without prejudice.”

BEFORE

5 month photos of result

So as you can see from the photos above and by your comments, your transplant was indeed a success with Dr. Armani and was coming in very well at 5 months.

You had sent so many emails to Dr. Armani from you stating how happy you were about the results of your procedures with Alvi Armani.

Unfortunately around this time you started self medicating with Avodart (Dutasteride)– as you admit in your own posts (both generic and regular versions) - in an attempt to thicken up your crown. You did this without consulting with Dr. Armani.

The drug caused you to shed your hairs. You also experimented with the dosages. It is now a well know fact that Dutasteride/Avodart affects the grafts growth of transplanted hairs in particular in zones 1 and 2 of the head.

Posts by you below:

“Glad to hear you've has some success with Avodart. I have had a transplant in the hairline and even posted pics in the hair transplant section. I had amazing results. Since halfway through avodart I lost about half the hairs from my hair transplant in the front - not my native hairs as I had no hairs there prior to surgery. “

”Shedding for a few weeks or even 3-4 months is what they're refering to. And even then, it's unknown whether or not it's a good thing or bad thing. My shed has lasted for over 13 months. Obviously not a good thing. I've begun to shed now again, but whether its from Xandrox or not I can't tell. But the biggest mistake I made was using this mother fukcin drug named AVODART!!!”

"Not only did dutasteride fail to "maintain" my hair, but it accelerated my loss. My biggest regret was not using finasteride.”

“But who knows, my dosing has been a roller coaster ride, and maybe in another year I'll see better results.”

To state you had 5% growth from your procedure with Dr. Armani is an outright lie. Your growth was above the expected standard – as show in your 5 months pictures - until you started self medicating with Dutasteride/Avodart.

You recently contact the clinic and sent in the below after photos stating you were unhappy with your result. You took these pictures after you stopped using Dutasteride/Avodart.

Even in the below photos you can see the growth and improvement that you had despite the shed you received from Dutasteride/Avodart.

These are your before and after photos that you recently sent to us

It is sad to see that you have come out with all these lies against Alvi Armani and Dr. Armani, despite the care and goodwill that we have given you, but we have no choice but to discontinue our relationship with you and address your defamation via the legally available routes..

Originally posted by markymark:

dpanet, I also had crown work done last April with Dr. Armani. The results are very poor up until this point and I'm at 11 months. Not much change for me from month 7 to 11. I hope you have better success.

 

markymark

Markymark

I understand your concern, but as other patients and clinics have mentioned in this thread, you really need to wait until 18 months until you judge your final result for the crown, not 11 months, not 13 months but 18.

The crown takes longer to grow and mature, this is pretty standard in the industry. There is more growth to come.

Just today I took and uploaded two videos of my result to my Blog, with Bill's permission I can post them here as well.

Originally posted by lanthanos:

Originally posted by dpanet:

.... for now I just wanted to know if the results are normal or matches to what other should expect by that time period....

dpanet, everybody is different in their physiology. however, if you want to try to compare, why not ask Pats205 for his crown FUE pics? He had a 4,060 graft FUE transplant to his crown in March of 2007 so he is fully grown out and should be able to provide pictures showing the growth timeline. I realize 4,060 grafts is a lot more grafts than you had, but it can still give you an idea of how the crown fills in over time.

as far as post op instructions...you are way past that point. the only thing you could be doing is taking Propecia and Rogaine at this point post op, but you said you aren't using those.

Just so there is no mistaking, I had 4,060 grafts FUSS March 2007 for zones 1, 2 with light coverage in zone 3.

I had a 2nd procedure with Dr. Armani January 2008 for 2,400 FUE grafts for zones 3 and 4.

Anyone who wants to see my crown photos can PM me.

Dpanet,

I understand your concerns and I know that 8 months seems like a long time, but as others have mentioned, the crown does take longer then the hairline and mid scalp to see the full result. You have many more months of growth and thickening to come before the final result is in.

Please continue to follow the post op instructions.

Dr. Armani has recently undergone back surgery and is healing, but if you PM me I will be sure to put you in touch with him so he can address your concerns further.

Please remember, you are only about half way there, when it comes to the crown the result takes 18 months.

Balboa,

There is more to your story then you just wanting to post to share your story.

You contacted us asking for a refund and in exchange you would remove all of your posts from the forums. This is blackmail.

"i understand you have a no refund policy but i would like

you to reconsider in my case as this procedure is destroying my life day by

day and would like to chose a different clinic for a repair procedure,<span class="ev_code_RED"> if

this were sorted out i would be also happy to remove all my previous

comments regarding the scarring and poor growth stay away from posting on

that site.</span>"

You also threatened that if you did not get what you wanted you would further exploit us on the forums. This is extortion.

"If I don't receive a reply to my previous email within 48 hours I will

conclude that you wish to ignore the situation. and therefore I will have to

proceed with legal action which in result I will be posting my 11 month post

op pics over all the major hair forums and will create a website regarding

bad hair transplants and my results along with all the other bad results I

have seen from your clinic be posted and made clear."

You used the forums as a tool to try and get a refund. This is extortion and will not be tolerated.

EINAA,

We have requested the information about your alleged's husband case, including name, procedure date, pictures, and number of grafts.

Our policy is to respond to these types of queries with actual facts so the readers of HTN can have full understanding of the case and look at the situation in an unbiased form.

Unfortunately, despite our numerous requests for more information we have not received any material with which we can answer. Furthermore Bill and Pat refuse to assist in helping Alvi Armani acquire this information.

From this situation we assume that EINAA is not really the 'wife' of a patient nor there is such a patient who exists but this post is another set up to defame Alvi Armani.

There is no proof whatsoever that you are associated with anyone who has had a procedure with us.

We regret that this is happening again as we had thought that HTN had become a fair place for open discussion. Apparently it is not so.

Any real patients who have concerns are welcome to email me and we will be happy to assist them.

Regards

Dear EinAA

I saw your post regarding your concern regarding your husband. I would like to be able to respond to you properly to your queries.

Please PM me with your name and date of procedure. I also sent you a PM as well.

- Eric

Chanyouze,

Dr. Armani has analysed your latest after pictures and compared them to your before pictures.

The assessment is as follows:

1- Alvi Armani worked in zones 1 and 2, and 4 for at total of 3000 grafts. Zone 1 at medium density and zone 2 at low density. We put 500 grafts in zone 4 for minimum coverage.

2- Alvi Armani did not work in zones 3.

3- Unfortunately you have continued to loose hair in the areas transplanted, the hair you currently see is what has been implanted.

4- Sadly in your case your hair loss is progressive, you may continue to loose more hair in the future which may require an additional procedure to thicken your result.

5- Please remember that you are not at your final result yet and that you have 3-5 months of further growth and thickening. We understand that waiting for your final result can be trying, but patience and following post op instructions is the best you can do at this time.

6- Please follow the post operative instructions exactly.

We wish you the best in your hair loss treatments.

Dear Westside

I saw your post regarding your concerns. I would like to be able to respond to you properly to your queries.

Please PM me with your name and date of procedure.

We would also like to see your pictures to see how you are progressing.

- Eric

Chanyouzhe,

We appreciate you bringing up all your issues.

As you well know Dr. Armani and several Alvi Armani representatives have responded to all your queries to date. Not only we have responded in English but also in Chinese.

So far you have refused to take the advise given to you by Alvi Armani. Unfortunately, we are only able to assist you as long as you are willing to cooperate. So far you have not done so.

Furthermore, we have stressed that you have to wait to 18 months post op in order to see the final result.

We wish you the best in your future hair loss treatments.

Comparison photo number 2

Originally posted by Balboa:

Sonic first of all i am in the middle of suing aramni, ive met with a firm that specializes in malpractice. they have met with me have seen my head in person close up and said i have a good claim.

 

The reason why we dont all join up is becuase its not that easy. we are all at diffrent parts of the world for starters and we also have lives and familys.

 

i am currently waiting on a responce from armani as he says he is willing to reconsider after i said his letter to sue me wouldnt work on me.

 

However if i do not get a responce thats fine i will just carry on with sueing him.

 

I however do not feel i have the worse results from him. i feel with more care and attention it could have been right first time arround, but the scaring anf the misangled hairline cause me a big problem as far as repair goes, i have spoken to some top docs who have seen my pictures and say that. Mick from farjo said i had a realy messy head and he has not seen a head as messy as it. that does not mean its the worse growth he will have ever seen, just that its very messy.

 

im kinda bored on having to keep posting about this.

BALBOA

The readers of this forum have the right to know the facts surrounding your case.

1- Alvi Armani has forwarded you a legal letter based on your blackmail threats and extortion activities. Alvi Armani assists all its patients as long as the approach is professional, courteous and the request is reasonable.

This is what you wrote to us:

???i would like to give you the (last) chance??¦??¦??¦ (or) i go public??¦??¦??¦??¦.if this were sorted out i would be also happy to remove all my previous comments??¦??¦??¦.. stay away from posting on that site.???

Alvi Armani does not tolerate blackmail and extortion.

2- Our letter does not request you to delete postings but to stop making false statements. We encourage Bill to post the legal letter that was sent to you.

3- To this date you have not posted any fair after images because you know that you have a perfectly acceptable result.

4 -Your 5-month pictures that you have posted are deceptive. Your hair is always wet in these photos in an attempt to make your result appear thin.

You purposely wet and style your hair to show your scalp. Even a person with no hair loss will appear thin if the hair is wet/gelled and the photo is taken at close range.

5- For the past two months we have requested your latest pictures so we may properly assess your situation but you continue to forward us deceptive images. The comparison photos posted below are a perfect example.

These two comparison photos I posted use the ???after??? images you sent us ??“ and they were taken under the same deceptive conditions as your 5 month photos. You wet your hair and styled it to look thin. - Yet even with wet hair the improvement can easily be seen.

6- Furthermore you have refused to meet Dr. Armani in person to follow up on your case.

7- You came to Alvi Armani with a receeded hairline and no hair in your temples ??“ see before pictures. We consider that for 2500 grafts you have achieved an excellent result and this is the best you can expect for in a hair transplant. Anything more would be unrealistic expectations.

We would like to remind you how you used to look before your hair transplant with Alvi Armani. Despite your deceptive ???after??? images with wet hair, we have made a compairison showing a clear significant improvement in your hair.

I have posted the photos below.

Due to your deceptive and malicious activities we will no longer be dealing with you as a patient.

CHANYOUZHE: In order to locate the details regarding your case we need your information such as your name and contact information.

We cannot respond to you accurately until we have this information. Your cooperation would be helpful.

I have sent you a PM (Personal Message) as well. You can reply to me there with your contact information.

- Eric

Chanyouzhe and Armani_patient, please email me with your contact details. Include your name, email address and date of your procedure so I may address all of your questions and concerns.

I have sent you each a PM with my email address and contact information.

Originally posted by Pats205:

Originally posted by jonrctim:

I'm a victim.

 

Dont believe what you see on his web-site is what you'll get, trust me!!! I had a procedure in Oct 07 and i'm positive i didn't get as many grafts as agreed, plus the result was nothing short of terrible. I was meant to have my procedure on a day that turned out to be a Candadian Bank Holiday and i turned up at the clinic and it was closed. I had travelled all the way from the UK!!! I was 'fitted' in the next day and the whole experience was horrible. There is no personal touch to what he does and i honestly believe its money first.

 

I contacted the surgery to let them know i wasn't happy with the results and i got NOWHERE. I had my procedure on the same day as another guy from the UK who i have kept in-touch with. He too did not acheive a good result. Coincidence, i think not!!

 

I had a second HT in March 09 with Dr Feller and the difference was night and day. Dr Feller is genuinely interested in you as a patient and what your going through regarding losing your hair. I fully believe he is results driven and of course he'll tell you himself the money is good but its not what he's all about. I'm 3 months and nine days post-op and you can't see the scar with my hair at grade 4 and i'm experiencing early growth.

 

By the way, when i went to Dr Armani for my first HT i was told he was no longer offering the FUT and it was all FUE, which granted is his choice but for the customer makes the whole thing much more expensive .... All about the money.

 

Everything i have written is FACT.

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NOTE: We have obtained permission from JONRCTIM to disclose his personal medical information in order to appropriately respond to his concerns.

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Jonrctim,

We appreciate that you have brought up your concerns.

1 - Procedure Results: You have left out some very important facts regarding your case. At 10 months post operatively you were diagnosed with testicular cancer. Subsequently you underwent CHEMOTHERAPY to treat the disease. As you know hair grows from the third month up to 12-18 months post transplant. You were affected by this disease in the middle of your hair growth process. The hair that falls off during CHEMOTHERAPY treatment does not re grow in ALL cases. You can read the literature on this subject if you would like to corroborate this. Furthermore there is a very negative effect of the chemicals on the follicles that have not fully regenerated yet. It is our understanding that your hair growth has been affected by CHEMOTHERAPY.

2 - Customer service: We appreciate your comments and certainly we will endeavour to improve our service. On the other hand you should also point out to the readers the amount of support Alvi Armani has provided throughout your relationship with our center. During the period in which you were undergoing CHEMOTHERAPY treatment we advised you on the best ways to minimize the effects of the CHEMOTHERAPY on your hair transplant. In fact Dr. Armani set up a vitamin plan for you to take during and after your chemotherapy in order to assist the transplanted grafts survive your treatment. This was done at no charge to you despite the time and effort Alvi Armani spent on this. Since your initial contact with our center Dr. Armani and our staff provided you support at least 149 times. This does not include in person consults and phone support. In fact you should tell the readers that you were going to book a second procedure with Alvi Armani once your CHEMOTHERAPY treatment was finished. We appreciate you give a balanced view of the situation.

It is unfortunate that the disease affected you while still at the growth phase of the transplant. We hope you understand that the results of your hair transplant are beyond our control. We wish you health and the best. Regards.

Balboa,

I have read your concerns and can feel your anxiety. I do hope you will allow the result time to grow out and let the full result come in before making a final judgement. There is a great chance you will like the hairline design once everything grows in.

I have sent you a PM with my contact information. I would be happy to speak with you over the phone to address any concerns you have.

Pats205

Originally posted by Balboa:

i cannot see anything witch is so DRAMATIC about the contract yes PATS205 is someone who has been given a free HT for basicly WORKING for Armani other people work for Armani get cash what diffrence does it make i have read through the contract and there isnt anything that bad or shocking about it realy businesses have to target all avenues to get customers and asking someone to post there HT results for a free HT isnt shady in anyways i dont see what all the fuss is about

Agreed, I asked for proof to validate the claims that we PAY POSTERS to come in and post on forums. All that is presented is a blank version of my independent contract again and again. I'm sorry but that is not enough to substantiate the claims being made.

Yes Bill, What you posted is simply an unsigned copy of my specific contract.

Originally posted by Bill - Associate Publisher:

Pats (Eric),

 

Instead of wasting time asking members to substantiate their claims, why not answer the legitimate questions posed by veteran members of this community?

 

Why do you keep avoiding Pat's question about the contract when it's obvious the information we have contradicts yours? Again, see "Free Hair Transplants for Posting".

 

M&M (among other members) has also asked you a series of legitimate questions without provocation however, you continue to evade them.

 

Also, why does the information you provided on the available donor supply ("Some folks have 6,000 grafts available, some 8,000, some 10,000, but nobody is different and each patient is treated on a case by case basis") contradict claims made previously by Shane that patients have an average donor supply of 15,000 grafts? If your clinic's original estimate of 15,000 average grafts was incorrect, a credible response would be to say "we were mistaken".

 

Frankly, you are being led like a sheep to the slaughter because you are evading answering legitimate questions presented by the knowledgable members of this community.

 

It would be far better for you to simply state you have no interest in answering these questions than it would be to continue to evade them and hype your services.

 

Until you address these legitimate concerns however, you're going to have a hard tiem earning respect and credibility in this community.

 

Bill

Bill,

As I stated before, the contract that you put online was a copy of my independent contract. The document explains that I have a responsibility on the forums amongst others...

You conveniently left out the portion of the contract that explains that I will appear at all in person consultations wearing a suit, and that I will be assigned an Alvi Armani email etc....

You say the contract was for "paid patients", why would a patient be required to wear a suit?

The facts are you were presented with a blank contract that was stolen from our office. The contract is my independent partner contract.

Yes there is a penalty if I violate the contract and I accepted those terms.

Patients are not paid to post online. If you have any evidence that says otherwise, if you have this signed contract by an Armani patient requiring them to post please present it now.

Otherwise I suggest we move on.

Originally posted by NewHairNow:

You said that poor FUE results from Dr. Armani seems to be norm, rather than the exception??? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. I will ask you to provide these several cases that you have backing up this statement. Otherwise it is another blanket statement made not supported by any factual evidence.

Pats205:

There you go again. It is not up to me to show you the proof of bad results. It is up to you and Dr. Armani to show and document your good results. That said, I did not base my opinion on thin air. I have seen quite a few cases of bad results on HLH but unfortunately they are now either gagged, deleted or paid off. Why do you think the discussion heats up when Dr.Armani is mentioned?

Like Plese Grow Please said, when are you going to show us your FUE results? It might shut my mouth.

NewHairNow - My point is you are making very serious claims without any proof to back up any of your statements.

As fars as showing results, I would love to be able to show Armani Fue results. I have several cases with photos but my hands are tied as I am afraid that would be considered promotional for the clinic I represent and against forums regulations. There is nothing I can do about that.

New Hair Now ??“ You said that poor FUE results from Dr. Armani seems to be norm, rather than the exception??? Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. I will ask you to provide these several cases that you have backing up this statement. Otherwise it is another blanket statement made not supported by any factual evidence.

Not Quite ??“ To answer your question, We have an entire section on our website that is FUE only showcasing our results. Our website also clearly states how many grafts were used and which technique was performed. Not misleading in any way.

Our Fue results are growing out very well. Is there the occasional case that does not turn out as well as we had hoped for? Sure, but that is the case with any of the top clinics. When this occurs we do everything possible to make the patient happy. But to say Bad Fue results seem to be the norm is flat out untrue.

As far as available donor and how much the average person has, I will tell you the same thing I tell any of our patients. Everybody has a different amount of Donor. Only once you have received an in person consultation with Dr Armani and your donor area is evaluated is a long term plane devised. Some folks have 6,000 grafts available, some 8,000, some 10,000, but nobody is different and each patient is treated on a case by case basis.

Originally posted by NotQuiteButNearly:

I'm over the moon to see a pro-Armani guy on hear. Speaking as someone who reads a lot and posts little, Armani seems to have no respect whatsoever on this forum.

 

I met with Armani reps twice, they were absolutely fine, helpful and not too pushy. I was ready to have an HT with Armani in January.

 

However, I did not believe the claims regarding 'no scar whatsoever' with FUE, I was unsure about the number of grafts they said I should have (3,200 compared to 2,000 with 4 other doctors).

 

I became very weary after reading some reviews on this forum and have put an HT off. Especially from writers whom obviously do not favour one particular doctor or another and have completely unbiased discussion regarding every other hair loss subject.

 

Pats205,

 

How would you explain Armani's poor reputation with some pretty knowledgable guys here?

 

One figure I often read is that you can only expect 25-30% growth with FUE, whereas your representatives say it is over 95%.

 

I'd be pretty interested to find out how anyone comes up with these figures.

I see claims of FUE only growing 25-30% but where are the photos supporting these claims? Where are all these poor FUE results? It would be nice if people making the claims would back them up with references but in most cases that doesn't happen.

My best advice to you is to do your research, on this forum and on others. See results in person, Armani Fue results and results from the other doctors you are reserching. Speak to former patients.

Pats- I chose this alias back in 2005 when I was a hairloss sufferer reaserching my doctor. It had nothing to do with you or your forum.

Hairdew, I'm sorry you feel that way and you are entitled to your opinion of course. For people who are asking genuine questions regarding the Armani clinic I am more then happy to answer them. If someone is hammering away trying to spread misinformation without providing any proof, that is something different.