Senior Member Approach Posted June 19 Senior Member Share Posted June 19 (edited) I currently take 2.5 oral Minoxidil once/day. Today my doctor prescribed 2.5 mg/ml sublingual Minoxidil liquid drops, to be filled at my local compound pharmacy. I anticipated I would start at a lower dose, but maybe she made it 2.5 since my body is used to taking Minoxidil pills? (I will call her for further clarification as to whether this is too high of a starting dose.) My question is: Generally speaking, is sublingual Minoxidil typically taken twice/day? (I'm asking b/c I've been taking the pill-form once/day.) From what you're hearing from others, is twice/day sublingual typical? This is what she looked at right before prescribing it to me: https://www.bayviewrx.com/formulas/Minoxidil-2-5-mg-ml-Oral-Sublingual-Solution-Alopecia-Hypertension-Androgenic-Alopecia-Telogen-Effluvium-Hypotrichosis- I plan to follow up with her to address these concerns. In-the-mean-time, do you guys have any personal opinions about my question above, or any general opinions about this oral solution? Thanks guys. PS) Admittedly, I believe I should have a dermatologist evaluate me / prescribe this. But, frankly- my pcp makes herself available to me at times that fit my schedule better, etc. Edited June 19 by Approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Eli_Avdikian Posted June 19 Regular Member Share Posted June 19 I don't think it matters much how many times you take it a day, as long as you stick with a certain dose. If you take the 2.5 mg dose twice a day, you'ill end up ingesting 5 mg of minoxidil daily, which is a very standard dose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Viney Posted June 19 Regular Member Share Posted June 19 (edited) Once a day should be fine. I only take it once a day. Some docs will recommend taking it before bed to prevent feeling potential side effects such as dizziness. I take it in the morning as it suits my routine more. 2.5mg is a pretty strong starting dose for SM in my opinion. I started at 0.9mg and slowly worked my way up to 2.7mg. But since you're already taking oral min your body should hopefully be used to it. Edited June 19 by Viney 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member arthurSam Posted June 19 Regular Member Share Posted June 19 (edited) I saw in another post related to sublingual minox that it can reduce sides ... I am curious how sublingual oral minoxidil can reduce sides compared to oral minox... can someone explain me ? I have sides with oral so I'm interested Edited June 19 by arthurSam Minoxidil : 5% topical 1ml/day (with Melatonin 0.0033%, Fisetin 1%, Resveratrol 2%, NMN 1%, Ginko 1%, Caffein 0.2%) DHT and Follicular androgen receptor inhibitor : Topical dutasteride 0.05% once a week + Fluridil 2ml/day + Pyrilutamide Koshine826 1% 1ml/day Exosome Mesotherapy 1mm : human Umbilical Chord Exosomes ; see my progress pics here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Viney Posted June 19 Regular Member Share Posted June 19 8 minutes ago, arthurSam said: I saw in another post related to sublingual minox that it can reduce sides ... I am curious how sublingual oral minoxidil can reduce sides compared to oral minox... can someone explain me ? I have sides with oral so I'm interested Quoting a paper online: As sublingual dosing bypasses hepatic first-pass metabolism, sublingual minoxidil (SM) would be anticipated to increase follicular minoxidil sulfate bioavailability and consequently hair growth. As hepatic sulfation of minoxidil enhances the haemodynamic effect, SM would also be anticipated to reduce haemodynamic side effects and consequently improve safety. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member arthurSam Posted June 19 Regular Member Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, Viney said: Quoting a paper online: As sublingual dosing bypasses hepatic first-pass metabolism, sublingual minoxidil (SM) would be anticipated to increase follicular minoxidil sulfate bioavailability and consequently hair growth. As hepatic sulfation of minoxidil enhances the haemodynamic effect, SM would also be anticipated to reduce haemodynamic side effects and consequently improve safety. Thanks I will try to find SM in my country Minoxidil : 5% topical 1ml/day (with Melatonin 0.0033%, Fisetin 1%, Resveratrol 2%, NMN 1%, Ginko 1%, Caffein 0.2%) DHT and Follicular androgen receptor inhibitor : Topical dutasteride 0.05% once a week + Fluridil 2ml/day + Pyrilutamide Koshine826 1% 1ml/day Exosome Mesotherapy 1mm : human Umbilical Chord Exosomes ; see my progress pics here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Approach Posted June 19 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 19 I really appreciate it guys. You've given me some feedback to think about. I'll verify all this with my doctor next time I see her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Approach Posted June 19 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 19 38 minutes ago, arthurSam said: I saw in another post related to sublingual minox that it can reduce sides ... I am curious how sublingual oral minoxidil can reduce sides compared to oral minox... can someone explain me ? I have sides with oral so I'm interested "Part" of the reason I'm going the SM route is to hopefully reduce my side effect from the Minoxidil pill. Bypassing hepatic first-pass metabolism....might be the trick for me. Stay in touch, I'll let you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member arthurSam Posted June 23 Regular Member Share Posted June 23 (edited) Hello, Thanks you for your answers. I've done some research on sublingual minoxidil and I found very interesting things : Equivalent for efficacy of 5mg oral minox is about 1,5 -2 mg sublingual with a high reduction in serum level (more than 80%) and so also in sides. 4mg sublingual is 2,5x better in efficacy than 5mg minox, with about same serum level than 2.5mg oral and so less sides than 5 mg There are some data I found : (approximatly) For peak serum level at t+30min: For hair count (Hair count: +Frontal / +Vertex) PS1 : Not sure about +27 hairs on vertex area for topical minox From paper : Oral Minoxidil is potent vasodilator used to treat hypertension. It is a pro-drug, activated by hepatic dehydroepiandosterone sulfotransferase (SULT2A1) to minoxidil sulfate. Minoxidil Lotion is also a pro-drug converted in hair bulbs by thermostable phenol sulfotransferase SULT1A1 to minoxidil sulfate. Low SULT1A1 predicts weak hair regrowth with both ML and OM. Weak hair growth due to low follicular SULT1A1 can be overcome with Oral Minoxidil through dose escalation, but cannot be overcome with Minoxidil Lotion due to low solubility and saturation absorption kinetics. As sublingual dosing bypasses hepatic first-pass metabolism, Sublingual Minoxidil would be anticipated to increase follicular minoxidil sulfate bioavailability and consequently hair growth. As hepatic sulfation of minoxidil enhances the haemodynamic effect, Sublingual Minoxidil would also be anticipated to reduce haemodynamic side effects and consequently improve safety. Sources: Treatment of male and female pattern hair loss with sublingual minoxidil: a retrospective case-series of 64 patients Sublingual minoxidil for the treatment of male and female pattern hair loss: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 1B clinical trial https://www.anzctr.org.au/Trial/Registration/TrialReview.aspx?id=374567 Clinical efficacy and safety of low-dose oral minoxidil versus topical solution in the improvement of androgenetic alopecia: A randomized controlled trial Edited June 25 by arthurSam 1 1 Minoxidil : 5% topical 1ml/day (with Melatonin 0.0033%, Fisetin 1%, Resveratrol 2%, NMN 1%, Ginko 1%, Caffein 0.2%) DHT and Follicular androgen receptor inhibitor : Topical dutasteride 0.05% once a week + Fluridil 2ml/day + Pyrilutamide Koshine826 1% 1ml/day Exosome Mesotherapy 1mm : human Umbilical Chord Exosomes ; see my progress pics here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Approach Posted June 23 Author Senior Member Share Posted June 23 3 hours ago, arthurSam said: Hello, Thanks you for your answers. I've done some research on sublingual minoxidil and I found very interesting things : Equivalent for efficacy of 5mg oral minox is about 1,5 -2 mg sublingual with a high reduction in serum level (more than 80%) and so also in sides. 4mg sublingual is 2,5x better in efficacy than 5mg minox, with about same serum level than 2.5mg oral and so less sides than 5 mg There are some data I found : (approximatly) For peak serum level at t+30min: For hair count (Hair count: +Frontal / +Vertex) PS1 : Not sure about +27 hairs on vertex area for topical minox From paper : Oral Minoxidil is potent vasodilator used to treat hypertension. It is a pro-drug, activated by hepatic dehydroepiandosterone sulfotransferase (SULT2A1) to minoxidil sulfate. Minoxidil Lotion is also a pro-drug converted in hair bulbs by thermostable phenol sulfotransferase SULT1A1 to minoxidil sulfate. Low SULT1A1 predicts weak hair regrowth with both ML and OM. Weak hair growth due to low follicular SULT1A1 can be overcome with Oral Minoxidil through dose escalation, but cannot be overcome with Minoxidil Lotion due to low solubility and saturation absorption kinetics. As sublingual dosing bypasses hepatic first-pass metabolism, Sublingual Minoxidil would be anticipated to increase follicular minoxidil sulfate bioavailability and consequently hair growth. As hepatic sulfation of minoxidil enhances the haemodynamic effect, Sublingual Minoxidil would also be anticipated to reduce haemodynamic side effects and consequently improve safety. Sources: Treatment of male and female pattern hair loss with sublingual minoxidil: a retrospective case-series of 64 patients Sublingual minoxidil for the treatment of male and female pattern hair loss: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, phase 1B clinical trial Clinical efficacy and safety of low-dose oral minoxidil versus topical solution in the improvement of androgenetic alopecia: A randomized controlled trial Thank you for your research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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