DR RAHAL - AS GOOD AS HE SEEMS?

[kaounis]

I don't think your a victim, just trying to give you some advice based on my own expierince...I alwys said that HT are not for everyone...especially those who are very young...It seems that you learnt that the hard way...If we can help someone else from making an un-informed decision...well than maybe it's well worth it...It never hurts to try!!

 

Just a thought from the peanut gallery...

[wantego]

I think this thread seems to have gone a bit off course. I do not think LMS should be attacked for his opinions regarding HT's nor should anybody else for their opinions regarding HT's.

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

... pick a dr and I can show you patients who were left worse off, i can show you an unhappy patient..the difference is a dr like rahal, feller, hasson, wong, have these mishaps, far less often...

 

i see a HUGE difference in the two sections of this forum in which drs post results and the one in which patients post....

 

 

Lost,

 

ok. Since by stating that w/Rahal, Feller, & H&W (all of whom I believe are world class surgeons) leave patients looking worse off FAR LESS OFTEN, it's clear you believe they do indeed sometimes leave them looking worse off. Now lost, I wasn't aware that you've exhausted the forum in so much research, I commend you! But, it seems you have found things that I have not, since you speak of such things in every post. Now Lost, I have to disagree w/you that the patient based section tells a different story then the Dr. sectioin; on the contrary I've found some of the most amazing results in the section posted by patients.

 

Lost, enough of the generalizations, can you please produce THREE patients from each of the clinics listed above respectively who have indeed left their patients looking "worse off" as you say you've found(?)...

 

 

Lost, I have no doubt your intentions are good, and I'm truly sorry if you were butchered by a poor Dr.---I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. If you YOURSELF don't wish to remedy your situation w/repair work, then that's your call; BUT I do feel that by your perpetual peppering the forum w/such blanket negative generalizations about ht's you could be steering many men away from not only a viable solution to their hair loss, but as a result, a significantly positive decision which will radically alter the course of their daily lives. You wouldn't want to do that would you? In being the recipient of a poor ht yourself, I have to wonder if it's somewhat akin to a molestation victim:

 

you never trust a man behind closed doors again (?)...

 

Now, since I'm asking you for THREE cases from EACH of the clinics above in which they left their patients worse off, I think it's only fair I post some pictures taken by patients---why we have to ignore the VIDEOS posted by the likes of Feller and H&W (in HIGH DEFINITION) which show comb throughs is beyond me, but nevertheless I shall play your game---in which the results are stellar. Keep in mind some of these patients have not even reached full maturation (12 months) yet; and also keep in mind I"m only asking you for THREE cases from each clinic.

 

 

HASSON:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BvdBQL6fmI

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/8201026103

 

http://usuarios.lycos.es/forotc/neo/neo.html

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/we...lution|gallery10.cfm

 

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/we...nsplant|gallery1.cfm

 

http://usuarios.lycos.es/forotc/spanish/spanish.html

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/7321022883

 

http://www.hassonandwong.com/p...t-stories.php?page=7

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/1501037773

 

http://hair-restoration-

info.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2566060861/m/7101005473

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/7321083502

 

http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...CopyID=1856&WebID=74

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...861/m/9571019192/p/3

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/7991021813

 

 

RAHAL:

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/4221058673

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...66060861/m/196102142

 

http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...opyID=3260&WebID=983

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...66060861/m/691108651

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/7661030273

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3701007053

 

 

FELLER:

 

http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...opyID=2050&WebID=557

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...66060861/m/163105802

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...66060861/m/702103812

 

http://www.hairtransplantnetwo...pyID=3473&WebID=1248

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/5471088782

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/8821022783

[TheEmperor]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

the emp-- i dont know you, one thing i do know is ive never gone out of my way to say anything hurtful to you..

 

I dont know that guy standing on the side of the road with a sign that reads "will work for food". I DO know he's a nuisance.

 

So knowing someone personally is not what we're talking about. Just reflecting upon the fact that you are frequently popping into threads and giving information with a negative slant, and often when not asked for.

 

Look at your signature.

 

Results vary, yes we know that. Everyones characteristics are different.

[lost my swagger]

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[Ron J]

Originally posted by wantego:

I think this thread seems to have gone a bit off course. I do not think LMS should be attacked for his opinions regarding HT's nor should anybody else for their opinions regarding HT's.

 

The original question has to do w/the authenticity of ht results as posted online; which is precisely what's being discussed.

[lost my swagger]

http://hair-restoration-info.c...=923108772#923108772

 

my guess is this rahal end result would not "wow" any of you.. its a shame he stopped posting, prob so thrilled and full of hair that he forgot all about us. as a result im left to speculate

 

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3081007343

 

i think i missed this result on 'H@W video fridays'... a LARGE difference in documentation you will get from H@W in the drs section

 

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3681055843

 

here is a bald man who went to feller, here is again another REAL result... i dont know about you guys, but i really dont see ANY OF these types of threads in the 'results sections posted by drs'

 

i agree with you ronj that i made a mistake in saying i can find guys "worse off" especially because that is purely a matter of opinion. for instance i really dont like the above feller result,if i was a regular person who know nothing of HTs and i saw this guy on the street id prob be wondering WTF is up with his head, however the patient himself might view it differently, you might too ron..

 

i can say this, ive read and seen patients who themselves were less then thrilled from alot of 'top' docs, or docs on the list. ive read from guys who had hoped for more and when i see them again in the future ill try and make note of it to send to you..

 

again ill state that its because they have unhappy patients FAR less often that they are considered "the best" in the field.. but "nobody bats a thousand"

 

 

on a side note, often patients are very hesitant to even name their docs. unsatisfied patients will often never post results because they were able to reach an agreement with the dr. in exchange for not going 'public' with their results... some do go public but are usually quickly forgotten about IMO....

 

just LOOK at how spex and Feller reacted when "unfortunateHT" went public with his dissatisfaction, or have you all forgotten already? why do you think fellers initial reaction was to show his displeasure that UHT went public FIRST??? ill tell you why, because Feller wanted the chance to "handle" the situation BEFORE it could get to our computers, and who could blame him?..

[lost my swagger]

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-l..._entry-id-20923.html

 

 

this guy does not seem to like rahal very much

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

http://hair-restoration-info.c...=923108772#923108772

 

my guess is this rahal end result would not "wow" any of you.. its a shame he stopped posting, prob so thrilled and full of hair that he forgot all about us. as a result im left to speculate

 

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3081007343

 

i think i missed this result on 'H@W video fridays'... a LARGE difference in documentation you will get from H@W in the drs section

 

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...6060861/m/3681055843

 

here is a bald man who went to feller, here is again another REAL result... i dont know about you guys, but i really dont see ANY OF these types of threads in the 'results sections posted by drs'

 

 

I'm glad you found the cases you consider horrible Lost; at best your perception of these cases is odd & off; at worst your being disingenuous.

Rahal Case--

This is NOT an example of poor work. Period. Your going (and have been I take it) to assume that if someone doesn't take the time to post a result it must be because they were so dissatisfied w/their results? This is absolutely ridiculous and fallacious reasoning. In fact, I would be more inclined to think that someone w/a bad result WOULD post it complaining and spend much time on forums warning off others of the horrible mistake they made. Sound familiar Lost?...

 

Wong Case:

 

Take note this is only 9.5 months post op ( AND I ADDED HIS FINAL RESULTS IN THE FOLLOWING POST ) and in some pics his hair is wet, and in others pushed back; and most of the 'balding area' had ZERO work done in it. The patient HIMSELF said he was happy. Also, if you look at the total # of grafts he received it isn't optimal for density in the area. I recall this patient posted that he didn't get more grafts because MONEY was an issue for him personally; do a search under his name and you can easily find this info. Can't fault the surgeon here, as I'm sure this was made clear to him pre-op. Also, your conspiratorial tone regarding some alleged discrepancy between this result and what's posted in the Dr.'s section is evidence of your more than skeptical perception of all ht dr.'s as a result of your previous abuse by one; it also flys in the face of your very reasoning in your signature *** RESULTS WILL 100%, without a DOUBT, VARY*** ....And your saying the results I posted in the patient section aren't amazing by H&W?!?!?!??! Tell me this---would you be disatsified w/ANY of those results?

 

Feller Case:

 

Once again, this man was a NW6---slap skinned bald head and only received ~3K grafts. How can you fault the surgeon here? Dr.'s aren't miracle workers. Everyone knows one would need ~6K grafts to achieve some semblance of restoration. Surely YOU are aware of this w/all of your years of research (?) My guess is either donor density or money was an issue for this patient, BOTH of which he would have been well aware of the limitations he faced in a single procedure BEFORE the operation.

 

Given the cases you've presented (or lack there of; you only presented 1 from each dr) and your rationale, I'm beginning to think you haven't really thought this through too well -OR- as is the case w/the molestation victim, you can't ever trust a Dr. again and have pent up hatred/frustration for them in general; which is understandable, I don't blame you.

 

But, either way the conclusions you've reached haven't been matched w/evidence to back them up. Surely, you knew that 3K grafts on a NW 6 isn't going to give one a significant amount of coverage and density, surely you knew this, no?

[Ron J]

LOL did you intentionally not post Wongs patient's final results? You posted 9.5 months here are his FINAL results which look FANTASTIC for the # of grafts to bald area (he had ZERO hair line and no hair on midscalp):

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...081022263#8081022263

 

& his comments---" im very happy with the results but i will have to do another ht to lower the hairline and to do some work on the temples and sides and of course transplant some grafts to the crown" -AND-..."I WANTED 3000 GRAFTS BECAUSE I DIDNT have more mONEY ..this is why he didnt tranplant more grafts . the result is very good for 3000 grafts " -AND-" THANK U ALL I CANT WAIT TO DO THE SECOND TRANSPLANT ".

 

Does THAT sound like a bitter patient whose disatisfied w/his results?

[lost my swagger]

ron, first thing first,

 

id like for you to state where i said ANY of these results were horrible... the closest i came was giving my opinion that the feller patiet would look awkward to a typical person.

 

infact, you should read my posts again, in which only thing i state is that the patient result section tells a different story of transplants then that of the DRs posted results.....

 

my 3 cases are cases that you will not find in the drs sectionIMO..this is my evedence to support what i ACTUALLY DID SAY....

 

wong case:

 

i personally believe that H@W top to bottom are the best clinic in the world based on what ive seen... this result is to illustrate that just because you choose H@W does not mean you will get a great result... im glad you make note of the fact all of his grafts were used up front, and when poeple view the link i hope they pay attention to what 3000+ grafts all up front were able to bring this guy.. it is IMO a more accutate portrayal of what can be achieve with 3000 grafts up front....

 

feller case:

 

in the DRs section you will almost ALWAYS find fellers posted results to be those of patients with PLENTY of native.. i felt this was a good example or a REAL bald man in the hands of feller.. IMO, it tells a story not painted by feller in the drs section... frankly i would LOVE to see drs post cases like these..

 

let me say this, DREW35, taking the time to post honest pics for us, in indoor/outdoor typical, everyday conditions would speak 1000 times louder than watching jotronic post results every friday for us in controlled settings...

 

my last post was to support MY argument that the drs section is a section meant to sell, usuing ideal cases, at IDEAL times in ones hairloss journy

 

in the patients section, one can gain a much more accurate idea of ACTUAL transplant results. same goes for some of these guys personal web blogs i see...

 

im not sure what more you want out of me ron, ive already admitted that it was a poor choice of words for me to say, i can find patients "worse off"..i said that ALL the mentioned drs are the "best" due to their ability to have unhappy patients FAR less often...

 

but frankly i think even the drs themselves would agree that sometimes things just dont go well... sometimes the patients just dont grow well, and sometimes even if they do grow well the results just dont end up looking all that great..

[lost my swagger]

i must agree with you ron.. wongs patient at 1 year looks very good. and no i did not skip it intentionally. just didnt see it...

i still feel my above post has merit. i also note my feelings about H@W

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

ron, first thing first,

 

id like for you to state where i said ANY of these results were horrible...

 

Essentially this entire discussion was me asking you for EVIDENCE of cases you deemed as bad results. These are the one's you presented.

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

i felt this was a good example or a REAL bald man in the hands of feller.. IMO, it tells a story not painted by feller in the drs section... frankly i would LOVE to see drs post cases like these..

 

 

And what story would this be, of patients who agree to go for HALF the graft # typical of reaching the desired results? Should the title be: NW6 w/graft total for a NW 3 (?) You picked this case because you thought it was the worst you could find, when in reality the only reason it's less amazing then Fellers other work is because (for some reason unknown to me) the patient didn't get enough grafts for his case.

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

but frankly i think even the drs themselves would agree that SOMETIMESthings just dont go well... sometimes the patients just dont grow well, and sometimes even if they do grow well the results just dont end up looking all that great..

 

So this is essentially what it boils down to w/you? When asked for cases which you think reflect this, those were the only ones you could find?

Maybe SOMETIMES things don't go well, but when in the hands of a good surgeon the VAST MAJORITY of the time, things turn out absolutely amazing and they ALWAYS look better than they did pre-op!!! And yet EVERY TIME, ALL THE TIME, ALL you do is constantly demonize ht's. I can't imagine what many mens life would be like if they had heeded your voice and not got a ht. Just look at all of those cases I posted. Would you be unhappy w/any of those?

 

 

 

I'm done.

Case closed.

[Bill - Seemiller]

Just a few important comments....

 

You may not all agree with one another, but please keep this disscussion respectful.

 

Please don't use this thread to drudge up old resolved situations and call for speculation. Drawing conclusions other than what was directly stated as to why Dr. Feller was unhappy with UnfortunateHT going public prior to contacting him is unfair and inaccurate.

 

No doctors likes to hear their patient's aren't satisfied with their results. However, doctors recommended by this community respect that patients have the right to share their legitimate and genuine experiences and photos online.

 

Also, this thread has gone way off topic.

 

I think there's some been some interesting discussion on this topic. Considering the thread starter "Do comb in" hasn't responded since he started the topic, I fear we've lost him completely - hopefully not.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

[cactus]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

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just LOOK at how spex and Feller reacted when "unfortunateHT" went public with his dissatisfaction, or have you all forgotten already? why do you think fellers initial reaction was to show his displeasure that UHT went public FIRST??? ill tell you why, because Feller wanted the chance to "handle" the situation BEFORE it could get to our computers, and who could blame him?..

 

 

Do you know if Dr Feller still offered UHT a discount that was mentioned?

[lost my swagger]

http://hair-restoration-info.c...566060861/m/76610894

 

here:

 

 

cactus-- from what i understand UHT went back to feller for correction. they were able to reach an agreement. i dont know the details of their agreement or if any discounts were given to UHT.. perhaps someone else knows more details

 

i must admit, a quick search for "poor" rahal results was quite difficult, i found a couple things but the cases im referring to did not include pics(other than the link i posted a few posts back) just unfavorable words about their experience. since the claims were not backed by any proof i dont think its a good idea to post them... i did find ALOT of rahal guys who got their NW2s beefed up heavily, and given dr rahals skill(which i really never questioned) most of them seem to end up satisfied with their outcome.. i do worry some may be looking for trouble if/when their hairloss progresses tho...reminds me of armani's old strip work results

[Winston baby]

Overall in court of law Ron J 1 - LMS 0

 

Using american baseball reference LMS swing bat, but miss ball lol

 

LMS still make important points, i've seen feller and rahal and wong results that where not great, but Ron called LMS on his comments and he could not fully back them up.

 

I believe rahal is good, but others dr';s is better, rahal good for 'high density low hairlines'

[TC17]

LMS did bring up one point that has been a slight concern of mine regarding Dr. Rahal and that is the high number of grafts in the hairline and front area of relatively younger patients. While the work looks amazing, I too wonder what may happen if future loss occurs.

Now of course these patients may have plenty of grafts to spare, and the 3000 to the hairline and frontal third may only be 25 to 33% of the total number of available grafts, but my in my observation Dr. Rahal goes lower and denser than patients of the Shapiro's, Konior, Cooley, Alexander, H&W, etc. Merely speaking for me, I'm 26 and there is no way in hell I would ever lower my hairline because of the fear of future loss.

 

While LMS does at times have a negative slant with his remarks, if you look past that, I think most members will see his concerns as genuine and his beliefs rational.

[kaounis]

Your right Bill., "do comb in" probably thinks were all nut jobs...lol...

 

Just a thought from the peanut gallery....

[lost my swagger]

Originally posted by Winston baby:

Overall in court of law Ron J 1 - LMS 0

 

Using american baseball reference LMS swing bat, but miss ball lol

 

LMS still make important points, i've seen feller and rahal and wong results that where not great, but Ron called LMS on his comments and he could not fully back them up.

 

I believe rahal is good, but others dr';s is better, rahal good for 'high density low hairlines'

 

 

i would have to agree with you, for the most part... ron brought the THUNDER pretty hard, caught me with a right hook.... however i feel as if im being asked to prove that these drs are not elite in their field and that they are hardly better then a butcher and/or many of the "mill" drs.. something that i dont feel i ever really stated in this thread or any other for that matter.. what i did say was i could find unhappy patients of ANY dr out there...while this proved to be difficult when ron put me on the spot, i do believe its still quite possible to do, and i DO believe each and every one of these drs does infact have their share of dissatisfied patients. I HOPE THAT POINT IS NOT LOST, SIMPLY BECAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO TURN INTO A HUMAN ARCHIVE IN ONE DAY. i remember reading a couple threads from my HLH days of a couple Rahal patients, one of which recieved almost no growth and was seeking repair pics were posted.. god, i cant tell you all how bad i wanted to find that thread and shove it right up rons ass.. but i couldnt find it for the life of me. and i dont know how to find the personal websites where his pics were.

 

i still maintain that while i DO NOT trust this industy, and i strongly feel the large majority of the drs in this field blow, there are 4 MAYBE 5 that i would consider for myself. ive said that before..ive also said that even THEY have mishaps.. just not as often.. i know ive said this a thousand times.. "going to a 'top' doc only betters your chances of a successful HT"......

 

im sorry but anyone who thinks Rahal, or even H@W(as talented as they are) do not have 1.unhappy patients. 2.patients that did not yield great 3.patients who REGRET their decision, are damn fools IMO. ONLINE RESULTS ARE A TINY PORTION OF HAIR TRANSPLANT PATIENTS..

 

recap

 

i DO believe a small handful of docs have the skill to produce a solid yield, and mostly natural looking result in many cases.

 

i DO see patients being worked on who i feel should have been turned away and told why.

 

i DO think Dr. Rahal, Feller, Hasson and wong have produced many very nice results

 

i DO think these drs also produce many 'ok' results, many of which we dont see. and never hear of

 

i DO think that these drs will ocassionally have a patient who doesnt grow well and its not always due to 'bad physiology' or because the patient smokes..

 

what sets the the select few apart is their rate of happy patients compared to the rest of the field IMO...

 

but just because someone is good at a procedure does not mean just anyone should have it...

 

id like to believe in HTs, my god id like to, but HTs will never be able to give me what i truly want. my hair back. frankly, without my fin/minox, my 2 thin ass transplants would look terrible..

 

i pray this forum and others like it are only needed for a few more years... i really hope SOMTHING comes along that can truly erase a suffering balding mans pain.. if i felt HTs could do it maybe id be encouraging guys too. if i didnt think there was still a large group of young guys making mistakes and trapping themselves in a world they may not be ready for, maybe id be encouraging guys too.

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

 

 

im sorry but anyone who thinks Rahal, or even H@W(as talented as they are) do not have 1.unhappy patients. 2.patients that did not yield great 3.patients who REGRET their decision, are damn foolsIMO. ONLINE RESULTS ARE A TINY PORTION OF HAIR TRANSPLANT PATIENTS..

 

 

Your entitled to your opinion, however if your basing your opinion on sheer speculation w/ zero empirical evidence when in fact ALL of the observable data supports precisely the opposite, it seems a grand leap in logic to call the very position reality favors 'foolish'; but to each his own. You've been making broad sweeping generalizations, so I asked you for specific evidence to support your position. You were unable to find a single case (although I asked for 9 in total, 3 from each dr. respectively which even then would represent a miniscule % of all of their over all work) in which the patients themselves said they were unhapppy; in fact they ALL were happy. Now after exhausting all available evidence, your appealing to possibilities. I know for a fact that Dr. Hasson alone has had about seven thousand patients. Doesn't the fact that your unable to find three cases on any forum in the WORLD WIDE WEB in which the patient is left w/a horrible result speak volumes to you? It's not as though we're dealing w/a small sample size, this forum alone has thousands of posts dating years back.

 

 

Your method of reasoning is the antithesis of the scientific method, we could call it The Unscientific Method. Scientists gather information from observable data, particulars', TO form broader generalizations and principles; since we're incapable of measuring data in terms of universals (all things possible). The Lost method (the unscientific method) states that unless we can refute all things possible we can't prove 'x'.

 

In conclusion, I believe your problem is you. This statement speaks volumes to me:

..."id like to believe in HTs, my god id like to, but HTs will never be able to give me what i truly want. my hair back."

 

You speak of ht's as a child speaks of unicorns or Santa Clause. HT's are not some new expiriment . Top clinics have years of experience and thousands of walking & talking living testimonials of their effectiveness. Does this ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BvdBQL6fmI ) gentlemen not appear to have his hair back to you? Do you not think he's happy w/that? If your that much of a skeptic, meet w/some patients in real life and see in person just how much hair they have. If by 'having your hair back' you mean restoring more than 50% of original density, well THAT is a mathematical impossibility; and I guess ht's are not for you. In the end, your correct no dr. can gaurentee you will be thrilled w/your result. But since when has life offered you any gaurentee's on anything?

 

Is it "possible" one of the top Dr.'s w/years of experience whose performed the procedure thousands of times will botch your ht? Is it "possible" some freak of nature will occur and your grafts won't grow? Sure; but it's also "possible" your airplane will crash killing you on the way there. All things are "possible," but some things are not very probable.

 

HT'S ARE NOT PERFECT.

YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ALL OF YOUR HAIR BACK, BUT HT'S OFFER A VAST IMPROVEMENT ON MEN WHO ARE UNHAPPY W/THEIR SITUATION.

 

YOUR CHOICES ARE:

a) GO BALD.

b) HAVE AS MUCH HAIR AS YOUR DONOR AND ULTIMATE NW PATTER PERMIT.

 

WEIGH YOUR OPTIONS & CHOOSE WHICH IS BETTER FOR YOU; NONE OF THE OPTIONS ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% PERFECT; BUT SUCH IS LIFE.

[Ron J]

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

god, i cant tell you all how bad i wanted to find that thread and shove it right up rons ass ..

 

Ironic you take such a tone when your privately messaging me asking why *I* want to QUOTE/UNQUOTE "publically BEAT YOU UP ", when I merely ask you for evidence to support your conspiratorial tone towards ht's; even more ironic that your frustration arises from an inability to disprove that the vast majority of patients are left very happy & w/a much improved look; which consequently absolves you of your great dilemma--you could indeed have hair & not spend your youth as a bald prophet warning others against the perils of ht's.

 

 

I guess you just like being miserable and victimizing yourself all the while being antagonistic to those who disagree w/your fictitious positions.

[lost my swagger]

Originally posted by Ron J:

Originally posted by lost my swagger:

god, i cant tell you all how bad i wanted to find that thread and shove it right up rons ass ..

 

Ironic you take such a tone when your privately messaging me asking why *I* want to QUOTE/UNQUOTE "publically BEAT YOU UP ", when I merely ask you for evidence to support your conspiratorial tone towards ht's; even more ironic that your frustration arises from an inability to disprove that the vast majority of patients are left very happy & w/a much improved look; which consequently absolves you of your great dilemma--you could indeed have hair & not spend your youth as a bald prophet warning others against the perils of ht's.

 

 

I guess you just like being miserable and victimizing yourself all the while being antagonistic to those who disagree w/your fictitious positions.

 

below was word for word my PRIVATE message to RONJ.... since ron wants to pull one section of it, in an attenpt to make me look weak i will post it publically for you all to be the judge on what i said to ronJ in PRIVATE the other day:

 

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ron, im happy to keep this going in public...

 

but privately id like to ask you to re read this thread... i think that you will find that i did my best to disagree with you in an unhostile manner.. given your tone towards me in your last few posts it seems as though you might feel that i was rude or insulting to you.. if you got this impression from my original reply then im sorry. it was not my intention...... if you want to try to 'beat me up publically' then i will welcome that and try to answer any questions you have as best i can... but im not sure where the hostility is comming from, other than we have different opinions on things

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ron this PRIVATE message to you was nothing more than me wondering where your hostility was stemming from and attempting to tell you that if you felt i was aggressive towards you then to let you know that was never my intent..if you go back and look i STILL feel my original reply to your post was not one of anger or hate, but rather me not agreeing with you.....

 

 

on a side note, i recieved a PRIVATE MESSAGE FROM A PATIENT OF ONE OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED DRS being discussed in this thread.. he not only agree with me, but seems to have first hand knowledge of unhappy patients from 2 of the named doctors... THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CANT EVEN BELIEVE IM TRYING TO PROVE AS IT SHOULD JUST BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL DRS HAVE UNSATISFIED PATIENTS, but apparently ron you really do feel that some of these drs just NEVER mess up.......

 

i trust this patient who PMed me, hes been around the forum a while now and has proven himself to be honest IMO...... he asked that i not name him because he wants no part of this and i dont blame him.. i will not name him in a PM either so dont bother..this is NOT the first PM ive recieved of this kind, in my time on the forums.

 

 

why do i tell you all this???? its simple. because it happened... so you all can take it, or leave it.YOU CAN BELIEVE ME OR THINK THAT IM MAKING IT UP.. regardless i will keep stating what i, personally, have learned about hair transplants.. both through my own experience, what ive seen and what many others say and have told me personally about their own HT experience .... again ill state, EVEN THE VERY BEST DRS.... DRS WHO HAVE PROVEN THE CAN PRODUCE VERY NICE RESULTS, HAVE SO-SO AT BEST RESULTS, UNSATISFIED, AND UNHAPPY PATIENTS, . and all one DOES by choosing "top" docs is give themselves the best chance at being happy with your decision.(atleast til their hairloss progresses further )..... common sense

 

ron.. do i dare ask who YOUR dr was?? how happy are you with YOUR hair transplant?? you've had one right? or how you are so sure that these drs do nothing but make every life they come in contact with better???

 

nah.... i better not ask... i dont want any trouble

 

AND RESULTS VARY