Hair Transplant without vaccination?

[Hotwiskey]

I'm a 24 year old male and I've been looking for a good place to have my procedure done for about 6 months and have made little to no headway. It seems the more i look the more lost i get trying to find a good place with all the rep/bot recommendations its hard to weed out the bs. I am also unvaccinated living in the US making it impossible to travel to some countries but definitely trying to get it done internationally with the costs here being more than double. I know you pay what you get for so I'm not necessarily looking on a budget but id like to keep it under 10k looking at about 2500-3k grafts. ANY points in the right direction of a doctor/clinic in a country that doesn't require a vaccine to enter that you would be confident in choosing would be so much appreciated!  

[NARMAK]

9 minutes ago, Hotwiskey said:

I'm a 24 year old male and I've been looking for a good place to have my procedure done for about 6 months and have made little to no headway. It seems the more i look the more lost i get trying to find a good place with all the rep/bot recommendations its hard to weed out the bs. I am also unvaccinated living in the US making it impossible to travel to some countries but definitely trying to get it done internationally with the costs here being more than double. I know you pay what you get for so I'm not necessarily looking on a budget but id like to keep it under 10k looking at about 2500-3k grafts. ANY points in the right direction of a doctor/clinic in a country that doesn't require a vaccine to enter that you would be confident in choosing would be so much appreciated!  

I'm not going to judge anybody that has chosen not to get vaccinated but the nail was hit on the head when you said how difficult they have made international travel if you didn't get it. 

Your options potentially are to wait and see how countries choose to open up their rules in the next 12-24 months and save up. 

You're also on the younger side and you haven't said whether you are on medication like Finasteride and shared any pics of your current hair loss and donor area. It makes it harder to see what clinics might be more suited to you. 

If you are waiting things out, and save up whilst taking medication with stable hair loss  you could actually show yourself to be a better candidate to more clinics at only even 25.

[Hotwiskey]

1 minute ago, NARMAK said:

I'm not going to judge anybody that has chosen not to get vaccinated but the nail was hit on the head when you said how difficult they have made international travel if you didn't get it. 

Your options potentially are to wait and see how countries choose to open up their rules in the next 12-24 months and save up. 

You're also on the younger side and you haven't said whether you are on medication like Finasteride and shared any pics of your current hair loss and donor area. It makes it harder to see what clinics might be more suited to you. 

If you are waiting things out, and save up whilst taking medication with stable hair loss  you could actually show yourself to be a better candidate to more clinics at only even 25.

I know its more difficult to travel to many but there certainly has to be good clinics in countries that allow travelers without it (United Kingdom Ireland Mexico Poland Norway). I'm not on any medication I've had friends who have done fin but the possible side affects weren't something I'm willing to risk(one got ED and depression severely). I did PRP for a year while taking a supplement thats supposed to slow the testosterone from affecting your hair (forgive me I cant remember the name) but I had little results from that. I do have some pictures i will post on this thread shortly

[JoeMan]

Go to Portugal, Dr. Pinto or Dr. Ferreira. Portugal is very open to unvaccinated people. Yes you will require a Covid test to fly out. Another test before surgery and another to return but this is necessary anyway. Some restaurants may require a test as well but even vaccinated Americans might have to show a test result because they are supposed to only take the EU vaccine passport. Overall it was very open. Likely have a 1 year wait anyway since they are booked about a year out. 

[NARMAK]

1 minute ago, Hotwiskey said:

I know its more difficult to travel to many but there certainly has to be good clinics in countries that allow travelers without it (United Kingdom Ireland Mexico Poland Norway). I'm not on any medication I've had friends who have done fin but the possible side affects weren't something I'm willing to risk(one got ED and depression severely). I did PRP for a year while taking a supplement thats supposed to slow the testosterone from affecting your hair (forgive me I cant remember the name) but I had little results from that. I do have some pictures i will post on this thread shortly

The UK has very few reputable clinics that people can recommend. Spain and Belgium usually seem to have more options like Dr Couto, De Freitas, Bisanga, Mwamba etc. based on the patient results around here. 

Honestly, i get your friend had side affects, but that should not be a reason for you not to try yourself. I have a friend who also claimed he got sides on Finasteride but just because somebody else did, doesn't mean you will and usually the more people focus on getting side affects as a given, the Nocebo affect takes over imo and a lot of things that might get ignored elsewhere are then dumped as being the fault of medication. 

It's up to you, but from personal experience i wish i had hopped on Finasteride 10+ years ago around 21.

[Hotwiskey]

10 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

The UK has very few reputable clinics that people can recommend. Spain and Belgium usually seem to have more options like Dr Couto, De Freitas, Bisanga, Mwamba etc. based on the patient results around here. 

Honestly, i get your friend had side affects, but that should not be a reason for you not to try yourself. I have a friend who also claimed he got sides on Finasteride but just because somebody else did, doesn't mean you will and usually the more people focus on getting side affects as a given, the Nocebo affect takes over imo and a lot of things that might get ignored elsewhere are then dumped as being the fault of medication. 

It's up to you, but from personal experience i wish i had hopped on Finasteride 10+ years ago around 21.

To be 100 percent honest I haven't done much research on fin but I already struggle with diagnosed depression and have for maybe 10 years and in my experience my body usually reacts badly. I don't think I've ever taken a medication and not gotten most of the bad side effects which is why i try to stay on the natural remedies now (Vitamins, CBD, cannabis, keeping in shape). But from what I think I've heard at least fin min and such meds wont grow hair where you have total loss and I'm about at the point where its get a HT or shave it

 

[Hotwiskey]

2 minutes ago, Hotwiskey said:

To be 100 percent honest I haven't done much research on fin but I already struggle with diagnosed depression and have for maybe 10 years and in my experience my body usually reacts badly. I don't think I've ever taken a medication and not gotten most of the bad side effects which is why i try to stay on the natural remedies now (Vitamins, CBD, cannabis, keeping in shape). But from what I think I've heard at least fin min and such meds wont grow hair where you have total loss and I'm about at the point where its get a HT or shave it

 

 

[NARMAK]

10 minutes ago, Hotwiskey said:

To be 100 percent honest I haven't done much research on fin but I already struggle with diagnosed depression and have for maybe 10 years and in my experience my body usually reacts badly. I don't think I've ever taken a medication and not gotten most of the bad side effects which is why i try to stay on the natural remedies now (Vitamins, CBD, cannabis, keeping in shape). But from what I think I've heard at least fin min and such meds wont grow hair where you have total loss and I'm about at the point where its get a HT or shave it

 

There's topical Finasteride and Minoxidil available in the US which could address some of your concerns about side affects whilst you get the benefits if you're concerned about the oral Finasteride increasing the risks. 

Ultimately you can only decide for yourself but hair loss is progressive and at only 24, i think your hair loss is around Norwood 3/4, so it's a bit more on the aggressive side. Medication usually is the much wiser course for 12-24 months at least. 

Realistically without medication, i think you might want to wait another 4 years or till your 30s to ride it out and have it slow down if you want to try have the best chance of preserving your donor area and not blow it all on a lowered hairline. 

[Nw7HPE]

I agree , be conservatives with donor . Focus on stabilization and the long game rather than lowering your hairline . As far as vaccination requirements most countries are dropping them these days. Portugal(Pinto,ferreira) and Turkey(Bicer,Pekiner,Erdogan...) are pretty relaxed . 

[Dillpickle123]

Seems like very aggressive loss for 24 in Mexico there’s dr Nader and HMR I would be conservative for your donors sake 

[Melvin- Admin]

It’s funny I got vaccinated specifically to travel, but still got Covid and had to follow all the same quarantine guidelines, but that’s whole other discussion. I believe many countries are loosening their guidelines. Especially since you are required to do a PCR test within 24 hours regardless of vaccination status. Really, the PCR test is a better tool to prevent the spread. 

As for surgery, have you considered medication? At 24 I’m worried you’re gonna be too aggressive with the hairline and continue to lose more hair. It’s possible you become Norwood 5/6 by 30. 

[RTC]

Turkey doesn't have Vax requirements but avoid the hair mills at all costs!!!!

I think now is the time to try and travel without a vaccine because they will 100% be bringing back all the nonsense later this year, they're already planting the seed in the media. They won't let it go.

[Mike10]

I share the concerns, you would need to be on oral finansteride for at least 1 year before considering even HT. 

Edited March 31, 2022 by Mike10

[Hotwiskey]

4 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

It’s funny I got vaccinated specifically to travel, but still got Covid and had to follow all the same quarantine guidelines, but that’s whole other discussion. I believe many countries are loosening their guidelines. Especially since you are required to do a PCR test within 24 hours regardless of vaccination status. Really, the PCR test is a better tool to prevent the spread. 

As for surgery, have you considered medication? At 24 I’m worried you’re gonna be too aggressive with the hairline and continue to lose more hair. It’s possible you become Norwood 5/6 by 30. 

What do you mean when you say you're worried about being too aggressive for the hairline? Too unrealistic? And what would be the next step if I wanted to get on fin do I need to go to a doctor, or can I order it online?

[Melvin- Admin]

11 minutes ago, Hotwiskey said:

What do you mean when you say you're worried about being too aggressive for the hairline? Too unrealistic? And what would be the next step if I wanted to get on fin do I need to go to a doctor, or can I order it online?

If you’re in the US, you can order topical fin, which is what I suggest you try first, if you’re worried about side effects. You can go to FUEclinic.com or xyonhealth.com. 

Too aggressive, meaning you try and lower your hairline too much. You have to be realistic about your future loss. 

[Hotwiskey]

2 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

If you’re in the US, you can order topical fin, which is what I suggest you try first, if you’re worried about side effects. You can go to FUEclinic.com or xyonhealth.com. 

Too aggressive, meaning you try and lower your hairline too much. You have to be realistic about your future loss. 

Thats what I thought you meant and I agree I don't want it to look unnatural I'm not trying to remake my hairline from when I was 18. Is there a brand or what not you would recommend I order? and Mgs?