Painful decade long journey. 34 yo | 3x HT

[Khali]

I was supposed to get my third hair transplant with them. I even bought a  ticket to India and set a date. Then the pandemic came and I could not go. I can understand why they would not use other body hair except the beard.  Body hair have a low success rate. Plus body hair is usually to fine and does not withstand good coverage against bright light. Anyway I am going there once the restriction are gone.

[track_rat]

7 hours ago, RandoBrando517 said:

My dude is living the life hair transplant by one of the best then vacation what more could you ask for lol

That’s a great way to look at it, I’m coming around and seeing the light. I was in bad shape a couple weeks ago in post op regret, anxiety, and just totally debilitating stress about what I’d done. 
 

It was good to step away from my apartment and go do normal things. 
 

cheers brother 

[track_rat]

On 10/11/2021 at 1:05 PM, follically challenged said:

How much will they charge to restore? Or is it 'on the house'?

Man, I gotta be honest with you, reading this thread I can totally see that I am on a similar level to you in terms of self-criticism / OCD / anxiety etc, but in all honesty, the pictures look really good, man. Not just saying that to boost you up, but it seems to be right on track and barely noticeable you had anything done. 

If and when i finally pull the trigger, and if they prove they can also do great work on blonde-fine haired patients, i will almost certainly be going with them. Their work seems to be great and i really like the hairline designs

Thank you FC - my understanding is it would be a touch up to my beard on them if I decide that it’s still needed in the coming month or two. Both Drs have said that the telogen phase beard hairs will sprout and I’ll get a full picture of what my beard will look like in month 3 or 4. Separately, my local surgeon here here who I’ve been in close touch with since my 2012 failed ARTAS procedure thinks there may even be a touch of shock loss in the emptier places.

All that to say, let’s see how things heal up and I’ll take the Drs up on their offer if I’m genuinely not happy.

I’m coming to terms that the contrast will be most visible and apparent when I wear my beard at a low guard (which I used to do daily). I’m seeing that it can be camouflaged when grown a little longer. I’m not a fan of a longer beard, but some compromises need to be made.

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by track_rat

[track_rat]

6 hours ago, Khali said:

I was supposed to get my third hair transplant with them. I even bought a  ticket to India and set a date. Then the pandemic came and I could not go. I can understand why they would not use other body hair except the beard.  Body hair have a low success rate. Plus body hair is usually to fine and does not withstand good coverage against bright light. Anyway I am going there once the restriction are gone.

Hey Khali - They actually do use other body hair besides beard. Beard is the first choice for survival rate and closeness in blend ability with scalp hair. But additional body hair from chest etc can be used in more dire cases. 
 

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

[Britanium]

7 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Hey Khali - They actually do use other body hair besides beard. Beard is the first choice for survival rate and closeness in blend ability with scalp hair. But additional body hair from chest etc can be used in more dire cases. 
 

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong.

Very rare and have not seen any cases in quite some time. 

[track_rat]

Hey guys, if at all helpful, I wanted to touch on something that I’d been concerned with in my earlier research - shock loss and inadvertently wiping out native hairs during the implantation process. Essentially the fear of making a situation worse, or net zero by killing existing coverage. Here’s an example of somebody’s similar concern that I screenshotted:

Here’s my crown today (5 days shy of 2 months). Doesn’t look pretty, and most implanted hairs have shed, but you can see my native hairs making a slow comeback.

 

[track_rat]

2 month beard update.

Redness is gone. It’s filled in a bit more. You can see some hairs sprouting.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by track_rat

[Gatsby]

To be quite fair, at 8 weeks I wouldn't bother being critical on being post op at this stage. It takes months before everything settles down from the surgical trauma and before nerve pathways begin to rewire and recover. I think for being in the middle of the 'ugly duckling' stage you are doing great. You could still lose a bit of ground during this phase so it's nothing to be concerned about (easy for me to say I know). Wishing you all the best and at around month four you will begin to see things going in the direction that they will. All the best and happy growing!

[track_rat]

Thanks, Gatsby. That’s good to remember. I’ll give it some time before another update. Cheers!

[Berba11]

9 hours ago, track_rat said:

2 month beard update.

Redness is gone. It’s filled in a bit more. You can see some hairs sprouting. Ingrown hairs are less every week, but I bet there will be a more in the next month or so. The visible scarring is probably just from shaving over an ingrown hair. That’ll get better. Left side is weaker than the right. Dr. Sethi said it will continue to fill in; so let’s see if I even need to take the Drs. up on their offer to fill in the patchy spots. 
 

One thing to keep in mind, is I shaved down my beard a couple weeks ago. So the beard will look a bit more filled in as the telogen hairs start to pop up. 
 

Anyways, this is not bad for right now IMO. If the left side patches fill in, I’ll be a happy camper.
 

 

Excellent progress! See... it's coming along now!

If I were you I'd now do monthly updates - just leave a bit more time between close inspections (I know that'll be tricky at first as the temptation will be to observe the fine details everyday) and you'll be amazed at the progress. Your 10 month update is going to be epic!

[track_rat]

1 hour ago, Berba11 said:

Excellent progress! See... it's coming along now!

If I were you I'd now do monthly updates - just leave a bit more time between close inspections (I know that'll be tricky at first as the temptation will be to observe the fine details everyday) and you'll be amazed at the progress. Your 10 month update is going to be epic!

Thanks, Berba  that’s the plan now. I’ll give an update next month. Appreciate all the support gents.

[MazAB]

Wow! I just started reading thru your history starting with your initial procedure. Tough road to finally getting here, but rest assured your results will be stellar coming from Eugenix. The crown is typically slow growing, compared to other areas, but only 2 months in I think your doing great! Just stay the course. Patience is a virtue.

Edited October 15, 2021 by MazAB
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[track_rat]

Guys, I really hate to preemptively bump this at only a little over 2 months, but have been dealing with anxiety with the concentration of stand-alone beard grafts in my crown. They’re growing, and I’m getting a taste of what they look and feel like.

My crown received 593 scalp and sideburns mix in the central whirls. Surrounding was 1508 beard. Total of 2101 in the crown. 

I want to believe that the result will look good, but then I read comments like the below and become consumed with doubt. (mentions of needing to mix rather than concentrate beard hairs). 

In a worst case scenario if things look bad, can some beard density be removed and reimplanted in the mid scalp, while using scalp donor to fill in the holes?

Ultimately, I know I need to wait it out. I’m just having a very tough time overall. With 2 prior poor procedures with top notch physicians, I’m sort of used to believing I’m destined for statistical anomaly type bad luck.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts guys.

Did I make a mistake here? 

 

Also didn’t address this area; and thinking things will look quite odd and obvious with it empty. I only have about 2k scalp grafts left

Edited October 21, 2021 by track_rat

[Berba11]

You’re forgetting that you already have native hair in the area. So the crown will be the beard grafts, the implanted scalp grafts, & the native scalp grafts already there. 
 

It’s the blend of all three (not just the implanted combo) that will produce the result. You’ve got another 8 months or so before we know what’s going on. That’s a long time to torture yourself over things. Please try not to do that! Just hang in there. Everything is suppose to look terrible right now - and your work so far looks fantastic. You’re ahead of game!

[SLA]

@Berba11makes good points.

Scalp hair is needed for the crown whorl, but I have seen Eugenix do what they have in your case with other OPs in which crown is predominantly beard hairs.

In addition, I have heard some people speak of the concept of recipient dominance in which over time, beard grafts continue to take on more characteristics of scalp grafts (i.e. texture, etc.).

Finally, lets say your beard hairs in the crown are wavier and/or a different color than scalp hairs, you can always put serum to straighten and/or color.

Hang in there and give it the time it all deserves.

[track_rat]

Can I please ask for some honest feedback on my concerns? I’m in a bad spot, living in complete self loathing for letting myself get into this bad of a situation. I don’t feel I’ve been treated right by the HT industry in the past so I’m really looking to you all for your advice or feedback or thoughts on options. I know 3 months isn’t indicative, but it’s long enough to feel beard hairs on my head and visibly see how markedly unnatural they look.

I was a decent looking guy before this procedure. The strip scar was hidden with a good haircut. I could style to mask a lot of balding. And my beard and sideburns were untouched. It was a clean look, albeit balding. But steady and no worsening for the last 3 years.

 

 

I am absolutely hating the concentration of stand-alone beard hairs in my crown. I know they’re to be mixed with my native scalp hair, but the native crown hair is straight and very thin. They’re polar opposites.  And I’m getting a flavor for how the beard hairs are shaping out - wiry, unruly, raised above surface and they stand out. I wish I never did this and it’s really made my life hell these last few months. Social life nonexistent with me hiding inside and under a cap. Everyday is a battle.

Do you really think this is going to be a net improvement in my look? I know there will be hair there, but will it really be something that you would’ve wanted for yourselves?

At a week shy of 3 months I’m in total regret. I loved my old self and wish I could have him back. Certainly there was another way to accomplish some more hair on my head than this? I came clean to my boss in free I would’ve been let go for working remotely for so long. I hate how I look and even more hate what my new normal might be.

Beard left is weak:

Beard right isn’t horrible. But still maybe I wasn’t prepared for this dramatic line along my mandible. People don’t shave there.

Crown: and I’ll have this ring of weak hair around the crown, I never thought about this before  coronet was not addressed either.

 

The area above my ear on my left side was already a little weak from the strip procedure. This HT has made it weaker from harvesting there. 

In a worst case scenario. Let’s say I left my job and had a year to just focus on this and fix myself. What would you guys do. Could I have the beard grafts extracted from my scalp and replaced with scalp hairs? I have the donor available. But I think the thought was to save the donor for touch ups and density here and there after the result was realized in a year. Would you remove only some. Would you implant in the coronet? I have lost faith in this procedure and with all my humility am asking for guidance or just your thoughts.

Won’t post my hair line. Looks terrible right now, worse than before. Hope it didn’t knock out my native hair, but I understand that could be possible.

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by track_rat

[Berba11]

13 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Can I please ask for some honest feedback on my concerns? I’m in a bad spot, living in complete self loathing for letting myself get into this bad of a situation. I don’t feel I’ve been treated right by the HT industry in the past so I’m really looking to you all for your advice or feedback or thoughts on options. I know 3 months isn’t indicative, but it’s long enough to feel beard hairs on my head and visibly see how markedly unnatural they look.

I was a decent looking guy before this procedure. The strip scar was hidden with a good haircut. I could style to mask a lot of balding. And my beard and sideburns were untouched. It was a clean look, albeit balding. But steady and no worsening for the last 3 years.

 

I am absolutely hating the concentration of stand-alone beard hairs in my crown. I know they’re to be mixed with my native scalp hair, but the native crown hair is straight and very thin. They’re polar opposites.  And I’m getting a flavor for how the beard hairs are shaping out - wiry, unruly, raised above surface and they stand out. I wish I never did this and it’s really made my life hell these last few months. Social life nonexistent with me hiding inside and under a cap. Everyday is a battle.

Do you really think this is going to be a net improvement in my look? I know there will be hair there, but will it really be something that you would’ve wanted for yourselves?

At a week shy of 3 months I’m in total regret. I loved my old self and wish I could have him back. Certainly there was another way to accomplish some more hair on my head than this? I came clean to my boss in free I would’ve been let go for working remotely for so long. I hate how I look and even more hate what my new normal might be.

Beard left is weak:

Beard right isn’t horrible. But still maybe I wasn’t prepared for this dramatic line along my mandible. People don’t shave there.

Crown: and I’ll have this ring of weak hair around the crown, I never thought about this before  coronet was not addressed either.

 

The area above my ear on my left side was already a little weak from the strip procedure. This HT has made it weaker from harvesting there. 

In a worst case scenario. Let’s say I left my job and had a year to just focus on this and fix myself. What would you guys do. Could I have the beard grafts extracted from my scalp and replaced with scalp hairs? I have the donor available. But I think the thought was to save the donor for touch ups and density here and there after the result was realized in a year. Would you remove only some. Would you implant in the coronet? I have lost faith in this procedure and with all my humility am asking for guidance or just your thoughts.

Won’t post my hair line. Looks terrible right now, worse than before. Hope it didn’t knock out my native hair, but I understand that could be possible.

 

Hey mate

I know you're in a funk right now, but can I give you a slightly brutal and straight response?

[track_rat]

4 minutes ago, Berba11 said:

Hey mate

I know you're in a funk right now, but can I give you a slightly brutal and straight response?

Yes! Always. Maybe I need that.

[JDEE0]

23 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Can I please ask for some honest feedback on my concerns? I’m in a bad spot, living in complete self loathing for letting myself get into this bad of a situation. I don’t feel I’ve been treated right by the HT industry in the past so I’m really looking to you all for your advice or feedback or thoughts on options. I know 3 months isn’t indicative, but it’s long enough to feel beard hairs on my head and visibly see how markedly unnatural they look.

I was a decent looking guy before this procedure. The strip scar was hidden with a good haircut. I could style to mask a lot of balding. And my beard and sideburns were untouched. It was a clean look, albeit balding. But steady and no worsening for the last 3 years.

 

I am absolutely hating the concentration of stand-alone beard hairs in my crown. I know they’re to be mixed with my native scalp hair, but the native crown hair is straight and very thin. They’re polar opposites.  And I’m getting a flavor for how the beard hairs are shaping out - wiry, unruly, raised above surface and they stand out. I wish I never did this and it’s really made my life hell these last few months. Social life nonexistent with me hiding inside and under a cap. Everyday is a battle.

Do you really think this is going to be a net improvement in my look? I know there will be hair there, but will it really be something that you would’ve wanted for yourselves?

At a week shy of 3 months I’m in total regret. I loved my old self and wish I could have him back. Certainly there was another way to accomplish some more hair on my head than this? I came clean to my boss in free I would’ve been let go for working remotely for so long. I hate how I look and even more hate what my new normal might be.

Beard left is weak:

Beard right isn’t horrible. But still maybe I wasn’t prepared for this dramatic line along my mandible. People don’t shave there.

Crown: and I’ll have this ring of weak hair around the crown, I never thought about this before  coronet was not addressed either.

 

The area above my ear on my left side was already a little weak from the strip procedure. This HT has made it weaker from harvesting there. 

In a worst case scenario. Let’s say I left my job and had a year to just focus on this and fix myself. What would you guys do. Could I have the beard grafts extracted from my scalp and replaced with scalp hairs? I have the donor available. But I think the thought was to save the donor for touch ups and density here and there after the result was realized in a year. Would you remove only some. Would you implant in the coronet? I have lost faith in this procedure and with all my humility am asking for guidance or just your thoughts.

Won’t post my hair line. Looks terrible right now, worse than before. Hope it didn’t knock out my native hair, but I understand that could be possible.

 

Hey man,

I feel for you and your whole experience that has overall led up to this point, but try not to be so hard on yourself.

As far as honest feedback goes, here's mine. Do I agree with your overall sentiment that, right now, things look a bit strange in the crown with the visible contrast between beard and scalp? Yes, I certainly do. However, the 'right now' part of that sentence is very key to my point. I can see a total of I don't know, maybe 30 or so grown out beard hairs right now; these are merely some hairs that haven't shed. You're only 3 months in; growth quite literally hasn't started for you yet and these are just the hairs that have stuck around from the day of surgery making things look weird.

Go do yourself a favour and go back and look at the immediate post op pics, look at all those grafts implanted that haven't even sprouted yet. Once they do and it's all grown out, I can assure you things will look very different, instead of a visibly balding scalp with beard grafts poking out here and there that stick out like a sore thumb, the area will have decent coverage and it should look homogenous.

As for the beard itself, I won't lie to you as I don't think it's fair to do so, but I think the areas above the jawline where you now define the neckline aren't going to fill in very much. It's clear that the gaps here are mainly caused by the follicles being re-located to the top of your scalp and not so much due to shock loss in my opinion. There's probably a bit of that, but in your zoomed in photo, I can see that there are no visible follicles left in the 'gappy' areas for the most part.

Maybe you could redistribute some beard hairs into these areas from the rest of the lower neck area to fill them in a bit, I don't see why not!

[track_rat]

2 minutes ago, JDEE0 said:

Hey man,

I feel for you and your whole experience that has overall led up to this point, but try not to be so hard on yourself.

As far as honest feedback goes, here's mine. Do I agree with your overall sentiment that, right now, things look a bit strange in the crown with the visible contrast between beard and scalp? Yes, I certainly do. However, the 'right now' part of that sentence is very key to my point. I can see a total of I don't know, maybe 30 or so grown out beard hairs right now; these are merely some hairs that haven't shed. You're only 3 months in; growth quite literally hasn't started for you yet and these are just the hairs that have stuck around from the day of surgery making things look weird.

Go do yourself a favour and go back and look at the immediate post op pics, look at all those grafts implanted that haven't even sprouted yet. Once they do and it's all grown out, I can assure you things will look very different, instead of a visibly balding scalp with beard grafts poking out here and there that stick out like a sore thumb, the area will have decent coverage and it should look homogenous.

As for the beard itself, I won't lie to you as I don't think it's fair to do so, but I think the areas above the jawline where you now define the neckline aren't going to fill in very much. It's clear that the gaps here are mainly caused by the follicles being re-located to the top of your scalp and not so much due to shock loss in my opinion. There's probably a bit of that, but in your zoomed in photo, I can see that there are no visible follicles left in the 'gappy' areas for the most part.

Maybe you could redistribute some beard hairs into these areas from the rest of the lower neck area to fill them in a bit, I don't see why not!

Thanks man. I appreciate you. I’ll wait it out and try my best to stop looking in the mirror and consuming myself with regret. Really praying it turns out ok. I understand what you’re saying about there only being a fraction of hairs sprouting and therefore looking odd.

[Berba11]

Ok! Well, firstly know that everything I'm about to say comes from a place of love and well wishes! Sometimes we all need a bit of a slap around the face so consider this a friendly virtual slap around the face! Here goes...

You're being a bit ridiculous at this point. Objectively, there's nothing wrong with the work that has been carried out. The only thing that is wrong is your massive over scrutinising of a HT in its infancy - indeed, in the ugly duckling phase. You're sounding increasingly as though you won't be satisfied no matter how good the result turns out to be (and all indications thus far are that you're in line for a great result). I know you were done wrong before, so the trauma remains, but it's really up to you whether you're going to choose to carry that around with you like a pair of wet sand bags thrown across each shoulder or crack on and face this new journey down with a different mindset. I won't claim that's an easy thing to do. But it is going to be necessary for your own well being.

On to the specifics of the HT... You're re-raising the same issues ("issues" - they're almost entirely invented by you) again and again, and largely ignoring or very quickly forgetting the answers to those questions you've been given by me and others previously.

29 minutes ago, track_rat said:

I know 3 months isn’t indicative, but it’s long enough to feel beard hairs on my head and visibly see how markedly unnatural they look.

Wrong. It's not indicative at all. Beard hairs *blend with scalp hairs*. You're 3 months in. Your newly implanted scalp hairs into the crown haven't started growing yet, so they haven't had chance to blend. The beard hairs you can see look as though they haven't really shed post-op but have remained or sprouted early. When the lagging scalp hairs catch up (and that can take longer with the crown), you'll get a better sense of the blend. What can you do in the meantime? Nothing. Just wait and calm down. We can have this conversation again at 12 months.

33 minutes ago, track_rat said:

And I’m getting a flavor for how the beard hairs are shaping out - wiry, unruly, raised above surface and they stand out.

No you're not. You're getting early post-HT kinkiness that will very likely subside over time once the hairs go through their natural cycles and settle in and mature. What you're getting a flavour of is the ugly duckling phase that for the most part you're glossed straight over better than 99% of blokes! No one is even going to notice those hairs but you anyway. Once again... Time!

35 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Social life nonexistent with me hiding inside and under a cap. Everyday is a battle.

A battle you've created in your head. You have no reason to hide indoors or under a cap. You don't look like anything has been done. 100% of people will not notice (or care). You're hiding something completely invisible to everyone else. Go into your workplace, without a cap and see what happens. £100 says nothing at all happens and no one has a clue. Deal?

38 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Do you really think this is going to be a net improvement in my look? I know there will be hair there, but will it really be something that you would’ve wanted for yourselves?

Yes! It's going to be killer. In 22 days I'll be in the same operating chair that you were 3 months ago! 

41 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Beard left is weak:

A little patchy, yes. But patchy in the way most guys' beards are. If you want a few grafts there to fill it back in, you already have that assurance in the bag from Eugenix. Your beard looks great in general and no one will notice or care. Most dudes would kill to have your beard in its current form. The reality is there's always going to be a little bit of compromise somewhere when you take hair from X and place it in Y. That's the name of the game. You don't get to skip that compromise anymore than anyone else does. It also doesn't look like you've tried growing the beard out a bit more. You seem to have reverted back to the usual length. Give a longer a beard a proper bash - it'll help the coverage and you'll look pretty awesome. I'd trade a small amount of patchiness in the beard for a full(er) head of hair without even having to think about it.

43 minutes ago, track_rat said:

Crown: and I’ll have this ring of weak hair around the crown, I never thought about this before  coronet was not addressed either.

Arrrgggghhhh 😬 It's going to better than it was before. GIVE IT TIME MAN!!!

44 minutes ago, track_rat said:

The area above my ear on my left side was already a little weak from the strip procedure. This HT has made it weaker from harvesting there. 

It looks absolutely fine. I wouldn't have noticed if you had simply posted the side shot without comment - and I'm scrutinising it! Do you honestly think there's a soul on earth that would notice? You're blowing tiny, tiny, tiny things out of all recognisable proportion. There's only so many polite ways I can tell you this!

46 minutes ago, track_rat said:

In a worst case scenario. Let’s say I left my job and had a year to just focus on this and fix myself. What would you guys do.

Mate, have you lost the plot? What on earth are you saying? Leave your job? WHY!!!? Don't do this (unless you hate your job that is). Think how you'd react if you'd seen someone else saying this! I'd hope you'd give me a nice big slap across the face if this were me saying this sort of crazy madness 3 months post-op!

What do I honestly think you should do? Bloody tell some people you had some work done and lift the monkey from your back. Maybe seek professional help regarding the lingering anxieties caused by the initial surgeries. You're so desperate to hide something that nobody can see anyway that you're getting yourself into a right muddle and it's excruciating to see. And you're on the verge of making some very daft life choices (quitting your job!) for a completely made up hang up inside your own head. With all the love in the world, PLEASE let my words sink in this time.

I just had my medical visa granted for the trip to India last week so I started telling people about what I am getting done (a select few knew earlier of course). The reaction? 100% positive, curious, interested and excited on my behalf! I really can't be bothered with the effort, hassle, lying and worrying in trying to hide it from people. Telling people is such a relief. It's going to make the first 6 months infinitely easier.

Your approach to this is making things vastly harder than it needs to be and I honestly think someone just needs to come and give it to you straight at this point. Everything looks absolutely fine and where it should be. You're going to benefit from a cosmetic improvement 5/6/7/8+ months from now and any small details you want touching up (beard, for eg), you have that in the bag already due to careful and conservative planning by Eugenix.

It's hard to give advice to someone that isn't able to/won't let rational and constructive feedback sink in and land. So I hope a slightly rougher approach at least lands a little bit!

You know I'm fully rooting for you and so is everyone else on this forum. Everything is going to be just fine (and more likely fantastic!).

You've got this, dude!

[track_rat]

I love you man thank you for setting me straight. Have this copied into my notes app on my iPhone and will revisit it often or whenever I feel myself sinking into the self created abyss. 

Frankly, I'm even a little embarrassed. But had I not posted my anxieties, you wouldn’t have given it to me straight the way you just did.

Thanks man. From the bottom of my heart - for caring and taking the time to address my concerns one by one.

I’ll take a break from posting in my thread and will update in the months to come (maybe 4 and 5 month mark, etc).

Cheers brother 

 

[MazAB]

@track_rat no one can make you feel inferior without your consent brother.😉 The minute you decide your content with yourself, you will never need anyone else's approval. To hell with what people think about how your hair looks. Without confidence in yourself, you're twice defeated in the race of life, with it you have won before you even started. You cannot control the outcome of your hair transplant, it is a waiting game so try to focus on other aspects of your life and the growth will come before you know it. Do not let what you cannot control interfere and take full control of you! Trust me dude, coming from Eugenix it'll all fall into place. Keep the faith brother🙏.

[kirkland]

On 10/5/2021 at 2:41 AM, track_rat said:

On a separate note, I thought I’d offer up any questions any of you might have on traveling to India if you happen to be booked at Eugenix. Feel free to DM me and we can even chat on phone if you have any questions (visa, experience, lodging, food, etc etc.)

FYI, their garden outside is SO zen.

I had no idea that this was the backyard of Eugenix! Because they are undergoing construction, I didn't even bother to ask to look around the property. Man, a coffee and some butter tofu masala would have been nice back there.

[digi23]

Man I been here before and said the same thing, please for gods sake trust the process and wait for ATLEAST 12 months before you come to any conclusion. 

You are about as patient as I was when I was 12 years old, opening my christmas gifts one week before christmas eve because I have been bugging my too kind mom day and night for weeks and she could not handle it anymore. 

I think the beard look great like that, its not a big deal either, you could add a 100 grafts to the beard where you are asking it to be more filled. A more simple way could be to let it grow longer so it fills in.