Regular Member Charlii Posted March 12, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said: HLC do some superb work. Yours is looking like excellent work so far. Very refined ! Always like the hairlines they create. From your starting position this is going to frame your face again and give you back a natural looking hairline. Look forward to following your journey ! š Thanks Buddy! IĀ appreciate that! HereĀ someĀ other pictures. Edited March 12, 2021 by Charlii 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted March 12, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 Like the t shirt too š great pics š Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PizzaWolf Posted March 12, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) From a technical and aesthetic standpoint I think HLC is excellent. From an ethical standpoint I have some real concerns. I've never heard of them turning down anyone for surgery. Their graft numbers are always high and never fall under their initial estimate. There was thatĀ recent 22 year old guy from Germany who was a solid Norwood 5Ā and they put him on Fin the day of his surgery. They advertise as a team of doctors but no one knows anything about their credentials or training. They don't even give full names of the doctors on the HLC website.Ā @CharliiĀ You need to do something to manage DHT. It doesn't have to be Finasteride. There are other things to try. Edited March 12, 2021 by PizzaWolf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 12, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, PizzaWolf said: From a technical and aesthetic standpoint I think HLC is excellent. From an ethical standpoint I have some real concerns. I've never heard of them turning down anyone for surgery. Their graft numbers are always high and never fall under their initial estimate. There was thatĀ recent 22 year old guy from Germany who was a solid Norwood 5Ā and they put him on Fin the day of his surgery. They advertise as a team of doctors but no one knows anything about their credentials or training. They don't even give full names of the doctors on the HLC website.Ā @CharliiĀ You need to do something to manage DHT. It doesn't have to be Finasteride. There are other things to try. Hi @PizzaWolf I will habe tomorrow a meeting with de Doc. Than we will talk about also Stopping the DHT. What can you recommend? I think there is only Minoxidil left. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PizzaWolf Posted March 12, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 Topical Fin or Dutasteride. RU58841 or CB-03-01. Flutamide. High dose saw palmetto. These are options not recommendations. You need to do your own research to figure out what you're comfortable with. Do something. You'll save yourself a lot of grief in the future.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted March 12, 2021 Administrators Share Posted March 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, PizzaWolf said: From a technical and aesthetic standpoint I think HLC is excellent. From an ethical standpoint I have some real concerns. I've never heard of them turning down anyone for surgery. Their graft numbers are always high and never fall under their initial estimate. There was thatĀ recent 22 year old guy from Germany who was a solid Norwood 5Ā and they put him on Fin the day of his surgery. They advertise as a team of doctors but no one knows anything about their credentials or training. They don't even give full names of the doctors on the HLC website.Ā @CharliiĀ You need to do something to manage DHT. It doesn't have to be Finasteride. There are other things to try. While I agree with some points, I donāt think itās right to post this on a patient journey. Having surgery is stressful enough. If you have these concerns I would create a separate thread and not put it on someoneās journey. Journeyās are for encouragement and help, not seeding doubt.Ā 4 Iām a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey:Ā View my thread Topical dutasteride journeyĀ Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for theĀ Hair Transplant Network, theĀ Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and theĀ Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media:Ā Facebook,Ā Instagram,Ā Linkedin,Ā and YouTube. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PizzaWolf Posted March 12, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said: While I agree with some points, I donāt think itās right to post this on a patient journey. Having surgery is stressful enough. If you have these concerns I would create a separate thread and not put it on someoneās journey. Journeyās are for encouragement and help, not seeding doubt.Ā I apologize. My intention is positiveĀ but I comeĀ off as too blunt and aggressive sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member giegnosiganoe Posted March 12, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 12, 2021 Work looks great. You have so many multi grafts, I'm sure theĀ density will be amazingĀ Ā 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MachoVato Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) Two days? I bet they were looong days! I think I left the clinic at 7 pm both days! It looks great so far!! I'm happy for you! Edited March 13, 2021 by MachoVato Ā HLC Ankara | 4261 Grafts | Nov 7, 2020 (Hairline) Dr. Bisanga, BHR Clinic in Brussels | 1528 Grafts | Aug 12, 2021 (Crown and Temples) Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member gman849 Posted March 13, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 I look forward to watching your progress. Best of Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 13, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 hour ago, MachoVato said: Two days? I bet they were looong days! I think I left the clinic at 7 pm both days! It looks great so far!! I'm happy for you! Oh yes, they were really long. Especially the first session was horrible. When you have to stay with the facedown on the extraction bed. My face was hurting as hell! I Think Dr. Umut was hating me, because i moves allways my head. But i am happy, that its over now! In 2 hours they will take my bandage off, i am curious how it looks š 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PizzaWolf Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Charlii said: Oh yes, they were really long. Especially the first session was horrible. When you have to stay with the facedown on the extraction bed. My face was hurting as hell! I Think Dr. Umut was hating me, because i moves allways my head. But i am happy, that its over now! In 2 hours they will take my bandage off, i am curious how it looks š It will look amazing. Thanks for sharing your experience. Which surgeons operated on you? Were all six doctors there for your consultation? Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 13, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, PizzaWolf said: It will look amazing. Thanks for sharing your experience. Which surgeons operated on you? Were all six doctors there for your consultation? Ā Heyy @PizzaWolfĀ nice to read something positive from you! Yes at the consultation there were all docs together! For me that was great, so you had an opinion from everyone! Also the hairline, they gave me like a basic pattern, and i was able to give my opinion and they draw it and discussed all together if it looks good. Dr. Umut was my surgeon. He did nearly all bi his self, only once he needed a break, so Dr. Elif extracted in that session my hairs. However, Dr. Umut always inserted the hair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member giegnosiganoe Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, Charlii said: Oh yes, they were really long. Especially the first session was horrible. When you have to stay with the facedown on the extraction bed. My face was hurting as hell! I Think Dr. Umut was hating me, because i moves allways my head. But i am happy, that its over now! In 2 hours they will take my bandage off, i am curious how it looks š Lol I went with Dr. Pekiner a month ago and I can totally relate toĀ your first extraction. The pressure on my face was intense and almost giving me a headache. I had to adjustĀ a few times but couldn't quiteĀ get into a comfortable position. I thought it was just me but it seems like everyone that goes to Ankara experiences thisĀ š Ā so don't worry, you're not alone. I only had to do ~500 grafts per extraction though so it wasn't too bad. It does make me wonder why they haven't found a solution to this lol. Maybe the first extraction is so uncomfortable that everything afterwards feels likeĀ a piece of cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 13, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, giegnosiganoe said: Lol I went with Dr. Pekiner a month ago and I can totally relate toĀ your first extraction. The pressure on my face was intense and almost giving me a headache. I had to adjustĀ a few times but couldn't quiteĀ get into a comfortable position. I thought it was just me but it seems like everyone that goes to Ankara experiences thisĀ š Ā so don't worry, you're not alone. I only had to do ~500 grafts per extraction though so it wasn't too bad. It does make me wonder why they haven't found a solution to this lol. Maybe the first extraction is so uncomfortable that everything afterwards feels likeĀ a piece of cake. They extracted 1200 grafts in that position. I think you can imagine the pain š. But i think this and the injection on my temples were the most uncomfortable things during the HT. I was surprised how chilled it was to insert the Grafts. I allways tought thats the disgusting part. I was able to watch some netflix, i decided to watch Breaking Bad again. Because i knewĀ thats the most exciting show on Netflix and the Time will fly š 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member giegnosiganoe Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) For me the anesthesia was a lot better than I expected, maybe 3/10. A bitĀ more painful down toward the neck and toward the temple points, I agree. Edited March 13, 2021 by giegnosiganoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 13, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 1 DayĀ Post HT Here are some Pictures 1 Day after my HT. I am very Happy with the hairline and the temples. What do you thing Guys? This afternoon i will have my PCR test. I hope it will be negative. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 Looks exceptionally clean. That is going to be such a awesome/Dense hairline. š 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SearchingMan Posted March 13, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 Looks nice, best of luck.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member giegnosiganoe Posted March 13, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 Looks like the extraction pattern was quite conservative, and careful not to go anywhere near the crown. Your crown does look a bit more beige compared to the rest of your scalp, not sure if that's just lighting though.Ā I think it's greatĀ they started off this way, and in the future you can expand the extraction pattern once your final Norwood pattern becomes more evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 13, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, giegnosiganoe said: Looks like the extraction pattern was quite conservative, and careful not to go anywhere near the crown. Your crown does look a bit more beige compared to the rest of your scalp, not sure if that's just lighting though.Ā I think it's greatĀ they started off this way, and in the future you can expand the extraction pattern once your final Norwood pattern becomes more evident. Yes you right, it looks more beige, Ā thatās because they cut off my hair very badš I asked the Doc multiple Times and he said there is no miniaturization on the crown at the moment. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member j1mmy Posted March 17, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 17, 2021 I wish you all the best, I like the design, and it is a lot of grafts so the density is basically going to feel like native. My only skepticism, though I am by no means an expert, but 150 single hairs seems on the "low" side for virgin hairline reconstruction and temple points. I typically see the homeruns with 400-500+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 18, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, j1mmy said: I wish you all the best, I like the design, and it is a lot of grafts so the density is basically going to feel like native. My only skepticism, though I am by no means an expert, but 150 single hairs seems on the "low" side for virgin hairline reconstruction and temple points. I typically see the homeruns with 400-500+. Thank You! The 150Ā singles were from day one. Ā Here you can see all the removed grafts. Ā There are a total of 357 singles. Ā Somehow I also fear that these are not enough singles. I calculatet my total Hairs Singles: 357 Doubles: 2640 Multiples: 2970 Grafts x 4Ā = 11880 The Doc told me i had even some grafts mit 6 Hairs š so assume the Average of the Multiples is 4 Hairs/Graft. This will will be a total of ~14ā877 Hairs. I hope this will result to a good density š Lets hope the singles will do their job for a natural lookunk hairlinešš» Edited March 18, 2021 by Charlii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member j1mmy Posted March 18, 2021 Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) Ah ok, that is a relief Ā That should be good then! Yeah there is no doubt on the density, if you get good growth, that is the most hairs i've seen in hundreds of cases i've studied in my research before procedure! Good luck during the patient phase!! Did you take note of your hair caliber measurement? Edited March 18, 2021 by j1mmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Charlii Posted March 18, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, j1mmy said: Ah ok, that is a relief Ā That should be good then! Yeah there is no doubt on the density, if you get good growth, that is the most hairs i've seen in hundreds of cases i've studied in my research before procedure! Good luck during the patient phase!! Did you take note of your hair caliber measurement? hahaha really? Ā This statement gives me great pleasure š Hmm what do you mean with hair caliber measurement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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