qunomedical.com, Turkey & the gang

[woojem]

Hello Everyone,

Jem from Belgium here, 36 and getting quite bald. First signs started about 15 years ago and I've thought about a procedure for almost 10 years now. Attached is a picture of how awful it looks when taken from its worst angle, under direct artificial light. Makes me think of Dr. Frankenstein's assistant who's to fetch a fresh brain from the fridge. In a matter of years, the worst lightning conditions won't be necessary anymore to achieve that result.

I met a hairline specialist about ten years ago. He wasn't very optimistic as the balding area was already threatening to be huge. I never agreed to the idea of a medical treatment - ie. pills, hormonal therapy or whatever is needed on a daily basis for damage control, the risk of man-boobs set aside. So I put the idea on the backburner for a while as I wasn't financially capable to offset the cost. The notion of "in Turkey they're better" is so conveyed by hairdressers that I got a few contacts over there. Other forum posts seem to confirm the same observation I made: not only do they pay for good reviews which makes the whole "trustpilot" thing irrelevant, but they also pay to issue bad reviews to their competitors: "botched work (...) my donor area is now ruined (...) it only looked clean on the website (...) butchers (...)". Quite the thrill! Top 3 specialists on site A and B are being destroyed in google/trustpilot reviews.

Even though I can now afford a 20k eur transplant, I'm still being annoyed by the thought I could get an equally good result for less than half that price.

I've recently been in touch with qunomedical.com - very friendly, not pressuring and shouldn't be long until they come up with a few offers. Turkey, Germany and Eastern Europe.

The one in Germany uses an automated robotic system. Since the QunoMedical staff does the legwork, they screen the practitioners using their own approach (chef's special, just trust the blackbox). However, I can't find a way to trust them: it feels like the time I signed up for a trip to Italy where everything was so bad we keep a good memory of it, as a farce. I don't want a farce on my head though, so I come to this forum.

Germany sounds serious, but there's also Dieselgate in that country. So what? Not based on the website, not based on third-party independent review sites... damn, do I have trust issues?

Apart from just ditching the whole "comparison effort" and just signing up for Dr Bisanga's treatment, I'd love to discuss my approach here, and read reviews about how other people approached the topic.

Thanks for the attention!

[Britanium]

Hi ! Welcome to the forum 👋

As you have already realised all the reviews out there cannot be trusted. Stay here on the forum and keep researching ! Cut out the middle man such as quornmedical and go direct to the clinics yourself. No need to pay extra for these kind of agents. 

[Britanium]

Just for a example, you mentioned Germany... Hattingen hair are a very good clinic ! 
The clinic using the robotic (ARTAS) should be avoided in my opinion. What you need is a clinic putting out good actual results. Hattingen have a very good reputation..

Edited February 26, 2021 by JohnAC71

[Britanium]

For this forum check out the recommended list:

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/Consult-a-Physician/hair-transplant-surgeons.asp?sr=HRN-MOB

This is just as starting off point, other clinics can be considered also. 

 

[woojem]

Hi John, thanks for the welcome.

Totally makes sense regarding the middleman. Since I can't trust their criteria / review process, why bother indeed.

Noting down that Hattingen one, as well as the red flag for ARTAS / NeoGraft & co.

Based on the list you provide, I seem to be lucky to live 45min away from Brussels 🙂

[Britanium]

For now you can research as much as possible, get a feel for the forum 🤩 look at real patient results 🙏

[woojem]

I've had the following quotes via Quno:

- Smile in Istanbul: Dr. Gökay Bilgin / Dr. Mehmet Erdogan -> 3000-4000 FUE grafts, 2140€ all inclusive, hotel & co.

- Perfect Hair in Berlin: up to 3500 grafts, 3600€ all inclusive or 3000 for the care alone.

- First Hair Clinic in Frankfurt: up to 4500 grafts, 5950€ non-inclusive of the transport & accommodation.

I don't want to embrace the mentality where "cheap is bad and expensive is good", but I'm still puzzled knowing that simple maths make it obviously 3 to 10 times cheaper than say, with Dr Bisanga. My hut feeling is more than mixed about this, so I won't even ask to discuss the topic since it was quite covered already.

Will follow-up with Dr Bisanga's verdict - which is my de facto trusted source.

 

Edited February 26, 2021 by woojem

[watterot]

You're in Belgium. You say you can afford to pay premium prices. Bisanga and Feriduni should be your only options imo. 

[Britanium]

49 minutes ago, watterot said:

You're in Belgium. You say you can afford to pay premium prices. Bisanga and Feriduni should be your only options imo. 

Yes I agree that Bisanga and Feriduni should be high on the list. Both excellent choices ! 

[Britanium]

The lower cost options are usually hair mills (multiple patients, no or little Dr involvement) 

And the worst part is that there  is a extremely high chance it will need a repair from a decent a clinic at the end of the 12 months. 

If you have the funds to go to a elite a clinic then it’s more than worth it ! We only have one scalp and one donor supply. 

Edited February 26, 2021 by JohnAC71

[Melvin- Admin]

Can you share pictures of your donor? You’ve been given good information.

[woojem]

Hi,

Thanks all for your support & advice.

I had created another thread more in line with my treatment itself, added the back part there as well.

 

[Gasthoerer]

You should never decide by location, but if you are from Belgium, there a plenty of good clinics around:

- Feriduni

- Lupanzula

- Bisanga

- Mwamba 

There are more of course.

In Germany there is only one clinic which might become good one day (the surgeon used to work for Feriduni, but now opened his own clinic), almost all other clincis in Germany are not trustworthy and  mainly using hired guns as surgeons. Germany has a great public healthcare service, but cosmetic surgery is another story for certain reasons. One reasons is, that e. g. no before and after pictures can be shown publicly. 

In Switzerland there is Hattingen for bigger cases and Heitmann for small surgeries. 

Rule of thumb:

- Avoid all clincis using ARTAS

- Avoid all chain clinics

- Avoid all middle agents 

Good luck, and no rush. 

 

[woojem]

Hi Gasthoerer,

Thanks for the great piece of advice! Interresting topic about Germany that is, in particular! 

[Richie888]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:03 PM, woojem said:

I've had the following quotes via Quno:

- Smile in Istanbul: Dr. Gökay Bilgin / Dr. Mehmet Erdogan -> 3000-4000 FUE grafts, 2140€ all inclusive, hotel & co.

- Perfect Hair in Berlin: up to 3500 grafts, 3600€ all inclusive or 3000 for the care alone.

- First Hair Clinic in Frankfurt: up to 4500 grafts, 5950€ non-inclusive of the transport & accommodation.

I don't want to embrace the mentality where "cheap is bad and expensive is good", but I'm still puzzled knowing that simple maths make it obviously 3 to 10 times cheaper than say, with Dr Bisanga. My hut feeling is more than mixed about this, so I won't even ask to discuss the topic since it was quite covered already.

Will follow-up with Dr Bisanga's verdict - which is my de facto trusted source.

 

Dr Bisanga would be top of the list. He also has a clinic in Greece which is cheaper than his Belgium clinic. If you are hoping to save some change from that 20k than I would consider going with that option - covid permitting

[woojem]

On 2/27/2021 at 8:26 PM, Richie888 said:

Dr Bisanga would be top of the list. He also has a clinic in Greece which is cheaper than his Belgium clinic. If you are hoping to save some change from that 20k than I would consider going with that option - covid permitting

Thanks for the heads up! I'll share the specifics as soon as I'll have met him.

Kind regards,

[Britanium]

@woojemhope your research is going ok. Look forward to a update whenever you have some news 🙏

[Melvin- Admin]

On 2/26/2021 at 4:13 PM, Gasthoerer said:

You should never decide by location, but if you are from Belgium, there a plenty of good clinics around:

- Feriduni

- Lupanzula

- Bisanga

- Mwamba 

There are more of course.

In Germany there is only one clinic which might become good one day (the surgeon used to work for Feriduni, but now opened his own clinic), almost all other clincis in Germany are not trustworthy and  mainly using hired guns as surgeons. Germany has a great public healthcare service, but cosmetic surgery is another story for certain reasons. One reasons is, that e. g. no before and after pictures can be shown publicly. 

In Switzerland there is Hattingen for bigger cases and Heitmann for small surgeries. 

Rule of thumb:

- Avoid all clincis using ARTAS

- Avoid all chain clinics

- Avoid all middle agents 

Good luck, and no rush. 

 

Who’s the clinic in Germany? There’s a new clinic in the netherlands that may be a new prospect in the future, results remain to be seen but the philosophy is good.

[Gasthoerer]

1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Who’s the clinic in Germany? There’s a new clinic in the netherlands that may be a new prospect in the future, results remain to be seen but the philosophy is good.

It is Dr. Ayoub, who in the past did BHT at Feriduni's as far as I know. Work looks clean, but there are not yet enough results available to make a judgement. 

[Melvin- Admin]

2 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

It is Dr. Ayoub, who in the past did BHT at Feriduni's as far as I know. Work looks clean, but there are not yet enough results available to make a judgement. 

I’ll keep an eye out for him, I’ve been impressed by Dr. Heitman.

[Gasthoerer]

On 3/1/2021 at 11:35 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

I’ll keep an eye out for him, I’ve been impressed by Dr. Heitman.

Heitmann also worked with (not for) Feriduni. I thinks they where both juniors in a German celebrity clinic at the beginning of their career. 

[Melvin- Admin]

1 hour ago, Gasthoerer said:

Heitmann also worked with (not for) Feriduni. I thinks they where both juniors in a German celebrity clinic at the beginning of their career. 

I like his work and attention to detail, hopefully we see more talent coming out of west Europe. Unfortunately, I’m told many have picked up on the hair mill model of going by quantity not quality.