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Hi folks,

 

Another question. I have been reading about some of the professional organizations which the physicians belong to, and I have come across these three:

 

1) IAHRS - Intl. Alliance of Hair Restoration Surgeons,

2) ISHRS - Intl. Soc. of Hair Restoration Surgery,

3) AHA - American Hair Loss Association

 

It seems like this website is not associated with any of these professional organizations, is that the case ?

 

If you are not affiliated with any of these organizations, what are your reasons for not affiliating with them ?

 

Also, can you explain what the differences are between these organizations ? Does it matter if some physicians are associate with one, two or all three of these organizations ?

 

Thanks.

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Originally posted by hairadv:

Drew, thanks for the suggestions.

 

That is the second suggestion to consider Hasson and Wong, they must have a great practice.

 

Is the main issue that they do large numbers of grafts ? Surely it must be overall quality as well. But can you give a few specific points that they excel in.

 

I believe they are in Vancouver, BC. Any issues about Canadian medical system ? I guess since it is elective surgery it doesn't make any difference ?

 

And I notice that they do US consultations in Seattle and Portland, interesting.

 

 

Hi hairadv,

 

Hasson and Wong have been Pioneers in the field of hair transplantation.

 

They were the first to do "mega-sessions" on a consistent basis.

 

The main reason I chose Dr Wong is because he was the creator of the Lateral Slit Incision.

 

Many of the top hair transplant surgeons have trained with Hasson and Wong or adopted their techniques, which speaks for itself.

 

 

I believe the Lateral Slit Incisions allow Hasson and Wong to dense pack more efficiently and it causes less trauma to your scalp, which allows for faster healing.

 

H&W obviously have been using this techinique longer than any other clinics, so I felt the most comfortable going with the guy who created it.

 

 

Browse their website and videos. I think their results speak for themselves.

 

 

Good Luck!

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1st Transplant: 5,485 grafts with Dr Jerry Wong

 

2nd Transplant: 3,100 grafts with Dr Jerry Wong

 

3rd Transplant: 5,035 grafts with Dr Sanusi Umar

 

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Hi Drew, just looking at H&W website and noticed that the consults in Portland and Seattle are not with the docs. Probably not worth it, don't you think ? Did you go to Vancouver for a consult with the docs ?

 

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Hair, I'd recco just doing online consults with docs you are keen on. Many, including H+W, are well-versed in doing it under this protocol. If you are by Portland/Seattle, however, I'm sure there could be some real benefit of paying a visit if convenient.

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hairadv,

 

The IAHRS and AHLA are run by one and the same person, Spencer Kobren. Like us, he runs a consumer advocacy program that prescreens surgeons based on a set of standards. To learn more about these organizations, visit each of his respective websites.

 

The ISHRS is an organization of doctors aimed to educate hair restoration physicians from the beginners to the advanced. Any physician can be a member as long as they have a medical degree and pay a tuition.

 

The Hair Transplant Network and the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center websites are collaboratively ran by Patrick Hennessey, the publisher of this community and Bill Seemiller (myself), the Associate Publisher and forum moderator. Our continued goals are to educate hair loss sufferers on the available and best solutions and recommend only the best surgeons who've been prescreened and meet our high standards. To date, we are the only patient advocacy group that regularly visits clinics worldwide to observe physicians and their staff in surgery and verify the kind of quality work they do. To see the highlights of Pat's visits to leading clinics worldwide, see "Visits to Leading Hair Transplant Clinics".

 

We are not affiliated with the ISHRS because their purpose and goals are different and it is run by doctors rather than patients.

 

We are not affliated with the IAHRS or AHLA because they have their own set of standards and procedures for evaluating doctors.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Bill

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Bill, thanks for the response to my question. Actually, I think the fact that you are unaffiliated is a good thing and allows you to be more objective. It think there is more interaction in this forum with other individual members. So far I have learned a lot on this forum and appreciate your efforts.

 

I have also been reading the other forum that you mentioned and I think it is a little more doctor oriented. That is not necessarily bad, but I just like to know where people are coming from when I am talking to them.

 

Thanks again.

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Originally posted by thanatopsis_awry:

Hair, I'd recco just doing online consults with docs you are keen on. Many, including H+W, are well-versed in doing it under this protocol. If you are by Portland/Seattle, however, I'm sure there could be some real benefit of paying a visit if convenient.

 

Hi again Thanatopsis, I think the on-line consults is a good idea, but I was assuming that I would need at least one visit with the Doc, at least for me to get to know him, before I give my scalp to him (so to speak), are you suggesting I don't need to do that ?

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after having been to Epstein, who is no longer associated with this site. I believe Epstein's yield was estimated at a putrid 30% for Wanthairs, and the follow-up care, from what my eyes could see, was quite poor (read: arrogant).

 

 

Hi Thanatopsis, reviewing some of the doctors visits and came across this for Dr. Epstein:

 

http://hair-restoration-info.c...1043751/m/6051014751

 

Surprised, it looked pretty good at the time. Was there a subsequent report that indicated problems ? If so, can you link me there so I can read more about it ?

 

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Hey Hairadv,

I went to Dr. Roy Jones in Dec. 2002 while he was at San Jose's NHI. I only had around 800 fu's in the frontal 1/3 and can only comment as to his small session. In my opinion, he is extremely skilled for hairline work and chose very fine hairs for the hairline. I wanted to go back to him before I wound up w/ Cole, but he had left NHI and I was not sure what happened to him. I'm not sure how he is w/ such a large session as your though. After researching through this forum, I've realized that the techs play an intregal part, so they deserve a decent part of the credit for the finer hairline grafts, so I can only comment that he and his staff were game on in Dec. 2002. Now he is with Hairclub, so I would think he has different techs.

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I can't comment much on that; other than that, at the time, it appeared he was doing quality work, which is why this site selected him into the Coalition. However, over time, it became apparent to me that he had major problems with some extremely poor, and rather frequent, cases; and the way he handled them was very disturbing. I suspect that's what ultimately led to Pat and Bill and this site rescinding Epstein's affiliation; and that they couldn't in good conscience continue to support him in that way of Coalition status.

 

Do some searches on Epstein and they will pop up...one was an Irish guy, another was poster Wanthairs...and there were a few more who came to light all in a matter of months.

 

Re: consults...regardless, your doctor will be evaluating you in person *before* he touches you scalp. It's best, IMO, to do a live consult prior to deciding upon a surgeon, but I don't believe it is totally necessary with how good online consults can be, and the transparency some clinics put out there for us to research.

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Than,

I believe it was Irishlad31. I don't know why that name I remember so well. Just a catchy name I guess. There was another that said his donor (along with pics) was decimated after FUE. His after pics looked rough.

Dr. Epstein was on Miami Social (Reality TV show on Bravo) last week or two if you can find that episode. He was transplanting on a guy while flirting with his friend (not at the same time, though the guy did ask him to pay attention to him and not his friend).

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Originally posted by hairadv:

Hi Drew, just looking at H&W website and noticed that the consults in Portland and Seattle are not with the docs. Probably not worth it, don't you think ? Did you go to Vancouver for a consult with the docs ?

 

Thanks.

 

I did an online consultation, but I was already pretty much convinced after doing my own research on Dr Wong.

 

The day before my surgery Dr Wong and I sat down and had a consultation.

 

My hotel was only 5 minutes away, so it was very convenient, and it put me at ease the night before the surgery.

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1st Transplant: 5,485 grafts with Dr Jerry Wong

 

2nd Transplant: 3,100 grafts with Dr Jerry Wong

 

3rd Transplant: 5,035 grafts with Dr Sanusi Umar

 

My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Wong

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Hah, good call Leeson. And good to see you back, alive, and well! icon_smile.gif

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Hi guys,

 

I have been thinking a little more about the idea of FUE, can you tell me which docs are the leaders in this area, I would like to read more about them. Are there also specialists in high graft numbers of FUE ?

 

Thanks.

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Bisanga, Feller, Ron Shapiro, Devroye, and Ilter....would probably be the 5 clinics I'd recco investigating into....I say this based upon results I've seen, and the level of transparency and dedication to the craft that I've deduced from my time spent on the forums looking into FUE. For "high graft numbers" Bisanga followed by Ilter probably do the largest sessions -- but that's subjective, and you can find out exactly what each clinic is capable of by talking with them directly.

 

I have some ?'s about Ilter, particularly, but I've seen good work from that clinic and it's been heartily recommended by some esteemed doctors (including Shapiro), so, I'd at least investigate some myself.

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Hi again Thanatopsis,

 

Thanks for all your advice. I think I saw lower numbers on yield for FUE, would you agree with that ? I think I have seen as low as 50%, have some docs done significantly better than that ?

 

Also, could you tell me a little about your own experiences ? You are very knowledgable about this field.

 

Thanks.

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Originally posted by Leeson:

Hey Hairadv,

I went to Dr. Roy Jones in Dec. 2002 while he was at San Jose's NHI. I only had around 800 fu's in the frontal 1/3 and can only comment as to his small session. In my opinion, he is extremely skilled for hairline work and chose very fine hairs for the hairline. I wanted to go back to him before I wound up w/ Cole, but he had left NHI and I was not sure what happened to him. I'm not sure how he is w/ such a large session as your though. After researching through this forum, I've realized that the techs play an intregal part, so they deserve a decent part of the credit for the finer hairline grafts, so I can only comment that he and his staff were game on in Dec. 2002. Now he is with Hairclub, so I would think he has different techs.

 

Hi Leeson, thats for the info. on Dr. Jones, my impression is that he is a solid guy as well. But I think after reading all the good suggestions on this website, I am not going to do the HT at the HC because they are really more experts on wigs.

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No prob, hairadv....there is only the notion of lower FUE yield because the surgery was hijacked by hacks (Armani, e.g.) and they don't have the skills and wherewithall to produce good yield when they perform. FUE is being un-hijacked by the likes of Dr. Feller, Dr. Shapiro, Dr. Devroye, etc. So, I wouldn't agree that FUE has "worse" yield; certainly, on the larger sessions it likely would, but any of the doctors I just mentioned would not be performing this on you. In the right hands FUE can and likely will produce excellent yield, comparable to strip.

 

I'm just a layman who has spent a good chunk of a few years researching HTs and immersing myself in the field from a non-professional perspective. Don't take what I say as gospel; very little of what I say I would even want to be viewed as such. I mainly intend to propose my own perspective that I myself would honestly follow in your shoes, which you can then cross-examine with your experience and experiences with others -- specifically, that of esteemed doctors, who I would strongly recommend you consult with. Dr. Feller, Dr. Ron Shapiro, Dr. Devroye, and Dr. Bisanga would certainly constitute an example array of "esteemed doctors" whose opinions I would def want.

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Thanks once again Thanatopsis,

 

I will take some time and look at the websites of the docs that you mention who are doing FUE and it is quite impressive if they can acheive the high yield with FUE.

 

Also, I noticed you did not include H&W in the list of FUE docs, is that not their focus ?

 

I was curious to know more about yourself, I just found your hair loss log, are there any other issues that you could add to it to give us a deeper understanding of what you have experienced ?

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Hi again, here is another question:

 

I received a very emotional note on another HT website (which seems more industry controlled than this one, we discussed this other forum a little earlier on this thread ) from a poster who was a strong opponent of HTs. He said he had one done and was very dissatified with the results. He said the scar from strip is a very big problem for some men.

 

Although his post was rather emotional, it seemed honest to me and sincere. He did not use any improper language or mention any specific names of docs, etc.

 

His comments we so strong that he was banned from the forum and his posts deleted.

 

What are your thoughts about his comments ?

 

What are your thoughts about the forum banning him and deleting his posts ?

 

Would that happen in this forum as well ?

 

Thanks.

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I would have certainly included H+W in most any list of "top docs", except they don't perform FUE, so....

 

I had a HT with Dr. Feller, that will be 2years out this January. Other than that, and my 100% pro bono involvement in this community, I have zero affiliation with anything to do with hair restoration, professional or otherwise.

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Thanatopsis, I just realized the link to all your photos and story is above your avatar, great !!

 

So I took a look and the pics look great !!

 

Could you tell a little more about the procedure ? If it is in the log, just tell me where and I will find it. I am guessing that since you had 3000 grafts yours was strip or strip + FUE, is that correct ? Where there other important issues ?

 

Thanks.

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Hi guys, can you please explain this quote to me off of Dr. Feller's website:

 

He also performs follicular unit extraction (FUE) and was one of the early innovators of this minimally invasive hair transplant procedure. However, he does not over sell its benefits and believes that patients needing over 500 grafts are best advised to do strip surgery.

 

 

Why is strip advised for over 500 grafts ?

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Though I haven't seen everything this poster said to you, I'm pretty sure it's the same ol' tale. Someone recently spewed the same garbage on this forum (as happens a lot) and it got swatted down. It gets tiring, and it's difficult because these are by and large traumatized people....but they essentially trying to demonize an entire concept and field (the HT), so as to justify and comfort the poor personal choice *they* themselves made, at the expense of upcoming patients who simply want to arm themselves with as much unbiased and informed information as possible.

 

I suppose I would put it like that, at the end of the day....HTs are often either the best or worst decision one will ever make. You're listening to one side of the coin with that poster. Am I the other side? Perhaps, but I'm not so sure, because I am not proposing that each side is some fait accompli dictated by either *my* side or this guy's side. I'm proposing that if you arm yourself with the requisite research and the right doctor you will invariably gravitate towards my side; those that do not, will invariably gravitate toward the side of the coin that the aforementioned poster unfortunately lies upon.

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Thanatopsis, I edit my last post, so I wanted to recopy the part that you might have missed. Thanks again for all your comments and suggestions.

 

 

Originally posted by hairadv:

I am guessing that since you had 3000 grafts yours was strip or strip + FUE, is that correct ? Where there other important issues ?

 

Thanks.

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