Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 17, 2020 Regular Member Share Posted May 17, 2020 I understand that body hair's main disadvantage for transplanting is that it has a short anagen (growth) phase and very long telogen (resting) phase. But in the past, when I have had my back hair waxed at a salon, it always started growing back in only 7 to 10 days. I also have a lot of annoying hairs in my ears and on my ****. I pluck them, and they are always growing again in 1 to 2 weeks. I realize that, possibly, the new growth is hairs that were in invisible telogen, and not the same hairs that I plucked. If that's the case, I must have zillions of latent telogen hairs, which seems unlikely in my ears. Other possibility is that the hairs were broken, not plucked. But I can feel the difference between when I break a hair and when I pluck it, and usually my plucks are successful. One more possibility is that, for genetic or other reasons, I have a MUCH shorter telogen phase than the average. This would be an advantage for transplanting these hairs to my scalp, even though it's a hassle when trying to keep my body hair well groomed. Does anyone have similar experiences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 18, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 18, 2020 Hmm, no replies. Well, maybe someone can at least tell me: I am assuming that when you pluck a hair with a tweezer, that follicle goes into telogen. Is that true or not true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted May 19, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 19, 2020 You’re confusing the rate of growth with the anagen phase. The anagen phase is essentially the hair follicles life cycle, it’s typically how long a hair follicle lives. That should not be confused with how fast the hair actually grows. The reason the scalp hair can grow so long is the fact that it has a long life, unlike body hair that has a short life-span. The only other hair that has a similarly long life cycle is beard hair. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted May 19, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Pangloss said: Hmm, no replies. Well, maybe someone can at least tell me: I am assuming that when you pluck a hair with a tweezer, that follicle goes into telogen. Is that true or not true? That is not true, plucking hair has no bearing on the hairs life cycle. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Al - Moderator Posted May 19, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 5/17/2020 at 8:33 AM, Pangloss said: But in the past, when I have had my back hair waxed at a salon, it always started growing back in only 7 to 10 days. I also have a lot of annoying hairs in my ears and on my ****. I pluck them, and they are always growing again in 1 to 2 weeks. I realize that, possibly, the new growth is hairs that were in invisible telogen, and not the same hairs that I plucked. I agree with you. My body hair grows back really quickly after I pluck it. Now that I've had over 4600 body hair grafts transplanted to my scalp I can say that my transplanted body hair grows faster and longer than my native scalp hair. It does take a bit longer to get started once it's first transplanted, but after about a year it really kicks in and the growth speeds up. Al Forum Moderator (formerly BeHappy) I am a forum moderator for hairrestorationnetwork.com. I am not a Dr. and I do not work for any particular Dr. My opinions are my own and may not reflect the opinions of other moderators or the owner of this site. I am also a hair transplant patient and repair patient. You can view some of my repair journey here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 20, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 20, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 7:32 AM, Melvin-Moderator said: That is not true, plucking hair has no bearing on the hairs life cycle. Really? Even if the plucked hair has the bulb on the end? I don't know where I got the idea that plucking terminates the anagen phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted May 21, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Pangloss said: Really? Even if the plucked hair has the bulb on the end? I don't know where I got the idea that plucking terminates the anagen phase. No, the hair follicle is superficial, what grows the hair is the dermal papilla under the skin. That is why you have to completely remove the hair follicle from it's root in order for the hair to grow, you cannot just pluck a hair follicle and transplant it. I hope that makes sense. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 21, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 11:43 AM, BeHappy said: I agree with you. My body hair grows back really quickly after I pluck it. Now that I've had over 4600 body hair grafts transplanted to my scalp I can say that my transplanted body hair grows faster and longer than my native scalp hair. It does take a bit longer to get started once it's first transplanted, but after about a year it really kicks in and the growth speeds up. That's amazing, BeHappy, and goes counter to what we are usually told. Studies I read said that the body hair usually grows a little longer on the scalp than it did on the body, due to recipient influence. But if your hair is growing longer than your native scalp hair, what is that telling us about anagen phase of body hair? Maybe that it's very variable from person to person and some of us hairy apes have very long anagen phases? You had beard, chest and stomach hairs transplanted, IIRC. I hope one day you will be able to estimate the percentage of these hairs that grew. So many doctors are saying only a very low percent of them grow, beard being the exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 21, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said: No, the hair follicle is superficial, what grows the hair is the dermal papilla under the skin. That is why you have to completely remove the hair follicle from it's root in order for the hair to grow, you cannot just pluck a hair follicle and transplant it. I hope that makes sense. Thanks Melvin. Yes, that makes sense. But I think I read somewhere that one doctor who is experimenting with follicle stem cells (Is it Dr. Goh?) has gotten plucked hair to grow when implanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted May 21, 2020 Administrators Share Posted May 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pangloss said: Thanks Melvin. Yes, that makes sense. But I think I read somewhere that one doctor who is experimenting with follicle stem cells (Is it Dr. Goh?) has gotten plucked hair to grow when implanted. Wow he’s still around, I haven’t heard his name in years. It’s a scam, and everyone knows he was literally splitting hairs. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Pangloss Posted May 22, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted May 22, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 11:43 AM, BeHappy said: I agree with you. My body hair grows back really quickly after I pluck it. Now that I've had over 4600 body hair grafts transplanted to my scalp I can say that my transplanted body hair grows faster and longer than my native scalp hair. It does take a bit longer to get started once it's first transplanted, but after about a year it really kicks in and the growth speeds up. So maybe what the delay in growth means is that the body hair telogen phase is longer than that of scalp hair, but the body hair anagen phase for some of us is also longer than the average, enabling your body hair to grow long, and then when it finally falls out, take a long time to regrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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