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Dr. Arika Bansal and Dr. Pradeep Sethi's potential membership in the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians

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I would only choose the high option, as I have have maintained we recommend the surgeons work themselves. Now, I see nothing wrong with an informed patient choosing a cheaper option, so long as they know who’s doing what before the surgery.

Secondly, we select Coalition surgeons based on their merit, they pay a monthly sponsorship fee either way. If you truly feel that the work isn’t worthy than that’s understandable and we want an honest opinion. If it’s a no for you based on their results, we accept that. 

Lastly, we recommend all clinics on their results and ethical integrity. I’m not sure what you’re insinuating, but this has always been the case. 

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I agree that if we know what we're getting into then it is our decision but I think the discussion will only go in circles if we continue. I've given my opinion on the matter.

Forgive me if you think there was an insinuation, but there wasn't.  It was an honest question . I already said that we know doctors pay a fee to be here if they are regular members or coalition. That wasn't the question and doesn't need to be discussed. I'll ask differently. Are coalition membership fees higher than normal membership fees? 

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Dear Melvin,

Given the COVID-19 superbug, i have been superbusy with the task force, may the prayers be with all infected individuals.

 

But dropped in here to say that my experience has been nothing BUT WONDERFUL with Eugenix, both with Dr. Pradeep Sethi and Dr. Arika Bansal.

 

Both are HIGHLY skilled with exceptional results to show, beng able to talk to their patients, verify their results, so many excellent cases with excellent results on this forums and elsewhere.

 

THEY DESERVE THIS COVETED MEMBERSHIP OF THE COALITION.

 

I am sorry and my apologies that i have been so busy as a physician, but believe me it took me lots of time to find a perfect HT doctor...tons of meticulous research as a physician I am a bit nit picky.....but only one clinic hit all those points....Eugenix, and after meeting with Drs. Pradeep and Arika and having been MORE THAN satisfied with results which have been lifechanging.....I recommend them very, very highly.

 

I hope moderators and leaders consider this endorsement by a highly satisfied patient of Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal,.

 

Warmest regards,

Harin.

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15 hours ago, 911fan said:

I agree that if we know what we're getting into then it is our decision but I think the discussion will only go in circles if we continue. I've given my opinion on the matter.

Forgive me if you think there was an insinuation, but there wasn't.  It was an honest question . I already said that we know doctors pay a fee to be here if they are regular members or coalition. That wasn't the question and doesn't need to be discussed. I'll ask differently. Are coalition membership fees higher than normal membership fees? 

I believe the fee may be bit higher, given there is a separate website dedicated to Coalition members, therefore, additional cost is incurred. Now, I don’t know the amount, since I don’t handle accounting here.

Please keep in mind, I work a full-time job and I’m an assistant publisher and moderator part-time as my passion, not my main source of income. I hope this answer will suffice. 

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8 hours ago, harin said:

Dear Melvin,

Given the COVID-19 superbug, i have been superbusy with the task force, may the prayers be with all infected individuals.

 

But dropped in here to say that my experience has been nothing BUT WONDERFUL with Eugenix, both with Dr. Pradeep Sethi and Dr. Arika Bansal.

 

Both are HIGHLY skilled with exceptional results to show, beng able to talk to their patients, verify their results, so many excellent cases with excellent results on this forums and elsewhere.

 

THEY DESERVE THIS COVETED MEMBERSHIP OF THE COALITION.

 

I am sorry and my apologies that i have been so busy as a physician, but believe me it took me lots of time to find a perfect HT doctor...tons of meticulous research as a physician I am a bit nit picky.....but only one clinic hit all those points....Eugenix, and after meeting with Drs. Pradeep and Arika and having been MORE THAN satisfied with results which have been lifechanging.....I recommend them very, very highly.

 

I hope moderators and leaders consider this endorsement by a highly satisfied patient of Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal,.

 

Warmest regards,

Harin.

Thank you Harin, 

Our experience is that their patients and colleagues who know them have nothing but good things to say about them. I believe this thread is reflective of that. Thank you for casting your vote. You’re definitely an “OG” first person that told me about Eugenix way back when.

Stay safe brother. You’re doing gods work firsthand with this COVID madness 🙏🏼

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On 3/17/2020 at 7:34 AM, Melvin-Moderator said:

Thank you Harin, 

Our experience is that their patients and colleagues who know them have nothing but good things to say about them. I believe this thread is reflective of that. Thank you for casting your vote. You’re definitely an “OG” first person that told me about Eugenix way back when.

That looks like the only support they have here are former patients and one of them isn't entirely happy. I don't want to beat a dead horse  but isn't the input by existing patients swaying the outcome? It is only an observation and thought but one I think is worth considering. Maybe it is fine. 

About the difference in payment how can you not know if clinics pay more for coalition status or non-coalition status? Working in the online space myself I know what it costs to operate a website and adding a page for a client because there is something new to add takes very little time and effort. If I need something done, I tell my contractor to do it, they charge me one time for the work done and I keep paying my hosting fees. Website maintenance and stuff like that is cheap and adding a page for more info doesn't require higher hosting fees. If you don't want to say, I won't push it, but I wish there was more transparency here. If clinics were elevated due to their merits alone that would be great. If they are elevated on merits but there is a higher fee to pay, the arrangement should be detailed. I'm not trying to be an arse, but it seems reasonable to know what is what.

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Would be great if more former patients provide their thoughts and input here. I see a lot of threads regarding these two doctors recently, much more so than previously. Hope we get some honest and frank feedback 

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28 minutes ago, 911fan said:

That looks like the only support they have here are former patients and one of them isn't entirely happy. I don't want to beat a dead horse  but isn't the input by existing patients swaying the outcome? It is only an observation and thought but one I think is worth considering. Maybe it is fine. 

About the difference in payment how can you not know if clinics pay more for coalition status or non-coalition status? Working in the online space myself I know what it costs to operate a website and adding a page for a client because there is something new to add takes very little time and effort. If I need something done, I tell my contractor to do it, they charge me one time for the work done and I keep paying my hosting fees. Website maintenance and stuff like that is cheap and adding a page for more info doesn't require higher hosting fees. If you don't want to say, I won't push it, but I wish there was more transparency here. If clinics were elevated due to their merits alone that would be great. If they are elevated on merits but there is a higher fee to pay, the arrangement should be detailed. I'm not trying to be an arse, but it seems reasonable to know what is what.

Dude, 

I don’t own this site, as I’ve already mentioned. I don’t set prices, or anything like that. I work here part time, as my passion. The price may be higher, given a separate website hosts their directories. The purpose to promote surgeons isn’t too obtain a higher fee, it’s to reward surgeons based on their skill and merit.

Also, who can judge a clinic more than a former patient? What you’re saying doesn’t even make any sense. Those who’ve actually been to the clinic and have had surgery with them are in the best position to provide honest feedback, the fact that the patient came here and provides his honest feedback speaks volumes. 

So you think random forum members who’ve never been to the clinic, interacted with the clinic, should count more than actual patients? That’s absurd. 

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13 minutes ago, squarepatch said:

Would be great if more former patients provide their thoughts and input here. I see a lot of threads regarding these two doctors recently, much more so than previously. Hope we get some honest and frank feedback 

Did you check the comments? Most of them are former patients with threads here. 

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3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Dude, 

I don’t own this site, as I’ve already mentioned. I don’t set prices, or anything like that. I work here part time, as my passion. The price may be higher, given a separate website hosts their directories. The purpose to promote surgeons isn’t too obtain a higher fee, it’s to reward surgeons based on their skill and merit.

Also, who can judge a clinic more than a former patient? What you’re saying doesn’t even make any sense. Those who’ve actually been to the clinic and have had surgery with them are in the best position to provide honest feedback, the fact that the patient came here and provides his honest feedback speaks volumes. 

So you think random forum members who’ve never been to the clinic, interacted with the clinic, should count more than actual patients? That’s absurd. 

I think what @911fan is getting at is the fact that most of the input has been coming from former patients (either very recently or the past). I’ve seen many times where former patients defend clinics at all costs because they have a “marriage” so to speak with a clinic after undergoing surgery with them because to point out any flaws or downsides with their doctor would also mean there are flaws or downsides with their own decision of doctor.

 

in the past I’ve seen forum “experts” including long standing members, ordinary members/newbies, other recommended doctors, patient advocates, etc give input in cases like this. From what we see here it’s mainly just patients of the clinic. A more diverse vote would be ideal.

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And just to add...the sites own description of coalition surgeons states:

 

“Coalition members are carefully reviewed by patients and their colleagues and are granted membership strictly based on their high level of integrity, skill, patient results and ability to perform ultra refined follicular unit transplantation. They have a proven and documented history of excellent patient results, which are critically reviewed by the world's largest and most respected patient community - the Hair Restoration Network.”

 

So...where are the reviews from their colleagues?

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7 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

I think what @911fan is getting at is the fact that most of the input has been coming from former patients (either very recently or the past). I’ve seen many times where former patients defend clinics at all costs because they have a “marriage” so to speak with a clinic after undergoing surgery with them because to point out any flaws or downsides with their doctor would also mean there are flaws or downsides with their own decision of doctor.

 

in the past I’ve seen forum “experts” including long standing members, ordinary members/newbies, other recommended doctors, patient advocates, etc give input in cases like this. From what we see here it’s mainly just patients of the clinic. A more diverse vote would be ideal.

This goes both ways, if patients are unhappy, they'll constantly attack a clinic like an estranged ex-wife, and even bring down happy patients. You've been here long enough to have seen this and to know this. The fact that the overwhelming majority of their patients are happy and satisfied speaks volumes. Diverse input is always welcomed, to penalize a clinic because their patients are happy and comment is completely ass backwards.

7 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

And just to add...the sites own description of coalition surgeons states:

 

“Coalition members are carefully reviewed by patients and their colleagues and are granted membership strictly based on their high level of integrity, skill, patient results and ability to perform ultra refined follicular unit transplantation. They have a proven and documented history of excellent patient results, which are critically reviewed by the world's largest and most respected patient community - the Hair Restoration Network.”

 

So...where are the reviews from their colleagues?

Physician input is always welcome, but you know very well that physicians rarely login to provide their own input, even in their own cases. Come on man, why are you acting like you're brand new.

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I totally agree with Melvin, why will a unhappy patient endorse the clinic. I was totally unsatisfied with my first clinic. My experience with Eugenix- has been good till now. If I get the results as per my expectation, I will definitely have a soft corner for them. As of now, I can say that I hardly found any bad results from eugenix during my research- and hence I went ahead with them and they treat their patient's very well. 

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22 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Dude, 

I don’t own this site, as I’ve already mentioned. I don’t set prices, or anything like that. I work here part time, as my passion. The price may be higher, given a separate website hosts their directories. The purpose to promote surgeons isn’t too obtain a higher fee, it’s to reward surgeons based on their skill and merit.

Also, who can judge a clinic more than a former patient? What you’re saying doesn’t even make any sense. Those who’ve actually been to the clinic and have had surgery with them are in the best position to provide honest feedback, the fact that the patient came here and provides his honest feedback speaks volumes. 

So you think random forum members who’ve never been to the clinic, interacted with the clinic, should count more than actual patients? That’s absurd. 

I don't want you to take this personally. The "dude" comment makes me think you might be so don't. I'm trying to be objective and learn. For the record, I think you're doing a good job here and I appreciate your work. 

I never said you set prices or asked anything about that. I asked if there was a price difference. And with you not knowing the price difference, is there someone that does that contacts that clinic to tell them the cost of their new membership? I think these are fair questions because it opens up the transparency and we all get to know how this works. I didn't say that clinics get a better status than other doctors because of money, I was asking if it is a factor along with their talent. 

Of course a former patient has great input but if you say that no one knows as well as patients, are you relying only on past patients or do non patients have an equal vote?

Since my workload has basically collapsed because of this virus problem, I've had more time to do HT research and I wanted to see more about recommendations and I found a thread about a doctor in Asia. The old moderator Bill made the announcement and looking for feedback in June 2017. by August 2017 there were 4 patients that said they did not recommend surgery with the doctor and 2 that did. The thread was dead after that till in October 2017 someone asked if he ever got accepted and another moderator said that he was. More patients endorsed him later but they don't count because the could not have been included in the decision process. 4 patients said no, 2 said yes but he was accepted anyway. My question is does input count because your decision is already made? If you don't know anything about pricing for membership and you are part time, who makes this decision? What is the process? I don't want to look confrontational and I don't care what anyone pays to be here, i'm just curious how this all works and so far it isn't clear. if you think these are inappropriate questions just tell me and I'll stop. Thanks again for all you do here.

I'm adding this edit since I forgot to include the link.

 

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17 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

 

The purpose to promote surgeons isn’t too obtain a higher fee, it’s to reward surgeons based on their skill and merit.

Also, who can judge a clinic more than a former patient? What you’re saying doesn’t even make any sense. Those who’ve actually been to the clinic and have had surgery with them are in the best position to provide honest feedback, the fact that the patient came here and provides his honest feedback speaks volumes. 

So you think random forum members who’ve never been to the clinic, interacted with the clinic, should count more than actual patients? That’s absurd. 

The above points that Melvin highlighted are the most important factors to consider. 

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  but their opinion should be relevent to what is being asked here.

We can discuss the side shows all day long , but at the end of the day none of any of that matters in the bigger scheme of what potential patients really care about . ....Results ....and patient satisfaction. 

Paddy 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, paddyirishman said:

The above points that Melvin highlighted are the most important factors to consider. 

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  but their opinion should be relevent to what is being asked here.

We can discuss the side shows all day long , but at the end of the day none of any of that matters in the bigger scheme of what potential patients really care about . ....Results ....and patient satisfaction. 

Paddy 

Do you think that patient votes are more important than member votes? I think your post is the perfect example of how this isn't a balanced process. The only people to support Eugenics here are past patients but this is a forum for everyone. There aren't any non-patients showing support for your clinic and one of the patients has one of the worst donor screw ups I've seen here. Is this down to physiology? Physiology doesn't work in block patterns so I don't think so. 

The side show that you talk about is gaslighting because I think its important to know what the process is that goes on for elevated status. The thread I talked about in my previous post shows that positive patient reviews isn't a strong part of the process because the doctor support was 4 patients against and 2 patients for. 

I think it is also important for the patients here that are showing their support to say if they've had contact with the clinic regarding this thread or if any of them have any financial relationships with the clinic. 

 

 

 

 

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I had my procedure with Eugenix 6 weeks ago so obviously I cannot discuss in terms of results. Most of the transplanted hair have fallen in the last weeks.
Dr. Arika Bansal was involved in my procedure and made the slits. She is a very experienced doctor and so do the technicians.
I suffer from a severe hair loss and my scalp donor was already depleted from other three failed sessions from other clinics, so the last session was mainly BHT taken from my beard, groin and thighs.
I saw some impressive results from Eugenix of patients with severe baldness, I also met in the clinic some former patients and witnessed firsthand, very natural results that I could never tell it was a hair transplant.

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Hi Melvin 

Id second Dr Arika and Dr Pradeep's application for approval to the Coalition 

I chose these experts to have my 3 day Megasession 7000graft  procedure just before Christmas last year..... 

RESULTS RESULTS RESULTS...thats why.

Z

 

 

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18 hours ago, 911fan said:

I don't want you to take this personally. The "dude" comment makes me think you might be so don't. I'm trying to be objective and learn. For the record, I think you're doing a good job here and I appreciate your work. 

I never said you set prices or asked anything about that. I asked if there was a price difference. And with you not knowing the price difference, is there someone that does that contacts that clinic to tell them the cost of their new membership? I think these are fair questions because it opens up the transparency and we all get to know how this works. I didn't say that clinics get a better status than other doctors because of money, I was asking if it is a factor along with their talent. 

Of course a former patient has great input but if you say that no one knows as well as patients, are you relying only on past patients or do non patients have an equal vote?

Since my workload has basically collapsed because of this virus problem, I've had more time to do HT research and I wanted to see more about recommendations and I found a thread about a doctor in Asia. The old moderator Bill made the announcement and looking for feedback in June 2017. by August 2017 there were 4 patients that said they did not recommend surgery with the doctor and 2 that did. The thread was dead after that till in October 2017 someone asked if he ever got accepted and another moderator said that he was. More patients endorsed him later but they don't count because the could not have been included in the decision process. 4 patients said no, 2 said yes but he was accepted anyway. My question is does input count because your decision is already made? If you don't know anything about pricing for membership and you are part time, who makes this decision? What is the process? I don't want to look confrontational and I don't care what anyone pays to be here, i'm just curious how this all works and so far it isn't clear. if you think these are inappropriate questions just tell me and I'll stop. Thanks again for all you do here.

I'm adding this edit since I forgot to include the link.

 

I can’t speak for Bill, since he no longer works here, but we choose our recommendations as a democracy. Surgeons are voted in, the decision isn’t made until we have enough input from the community, and fellow physicians. 

I sent out a forum newsletter to all of our members and physicians asking for their input, we take everything that is said in to account, including negative and positive remarks. 

Community, 

Given the global pandemic and climate, we think it best to postpone any induction, as we understand a lot of people are going through serious turmoil, not just physically, but financially. We find this isn’t the best time to ask for input. I will lock this topic, and re-open it at a later date, when we get over this global pandemic. 
 

Truly health and prosperity to all,

Melvin

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