Hair Transplant Patient Almost Dies in Turkey *Forum Member

[Melvin- Admin]

This story really had a big impact on me @Glam Hair shared his story, and I decided to make a video on it, because I think this story happens way more than we know. Let's share his story

 

[CosmoKramer]

Good cautionary video @Melvin-Moderator, I’ve seen his case and just shows how scam marketing can lure people in, he didn’t do his research initially but I’m glad his repair worked out for him.

P.S.....seems like there’s some marketing going on here for a similar mill clinic (MCAN) that’s being posted here you might want to keep an eye on.

[Doron Harati]

@Melvin-Moderator, thanks for sharing my story, I really appreciate your efforts for this video!

[Melvin- Admin]

8 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Good cautionary video @Melvin-Moderator, I’ve seen his case and just shows how scam marketing can lure people in, he didn’t do his research initially but I’m glad his repair worked out for him.

P.S.....seems like there’s some marketing going on here for a similar mill clinic (MCAN) that’s being posted here you might want to keep an eye on.

Really?! Can you send me the links. Thanks for making me aware, let’s keep this place scammer free.

[makehairgreatagain]

Very glad to hear there was a happy ending to this story and that the patient is doing well.. Just goes to show that you need to research heavily and realize that if it sounds too good to be true, than it is. Hopefully this leads to the so called "doctor" being arrested and losing his medical license.

[Melvin- Admin]

5 hours ago, makehairgreatagain said:

Very glad to hear there was a happy ending to this story and that the patient is doing well.. Just goes to show that you need to research heavily and realize that if it sounds too good to be true, than it is. Hopefully this leads to the so called "doctor" being arrested and losing his medical license.

I agree, I bet the “techs” that administered the anesthesia had no idea what they were doing. It’s very scary to think so many guys are going to these types of places, not knowing they’re literally risking their lives. Glad our forum was used to spread the word and potentially help others.

[paddyirishman]

Great video @Melvin-Moderator. It's great the patient is ok and happy now.  This is so valuable to anybody researching . It's a credit to you for your effort in putting this together , well done.

.....Paddy...

[Future Hair Doc]

There really should be recourse for patients who are scammed and physically harmed like this patient was.

[Melvin- Admin]

35 minutes ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

There really should be recourse for patients who are scammed and physically harmed like this patient was.

Yea I agree, but there is a big loophole in this medical tourism. These patients, don't live in the same country, don't know that countries laws etc. What are your thoughts on amateurs administering large does of anesthesia? Just how dangerous is it? I mean in the US we have an entire medical field for anesthesia, as it's a specialized form of medicine.

[ITA]

As already mentioned on other occasions, in countries like Turkey, there are no controls by the health authorities, States like these have every interest in not doing them, because they are enriched with medical tourism, blocking it or putting a brake on doing  the due checks, would mean bringing less money into the coffers of Turkey and consequently it is not convenient.

[duchaine]

10 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

 I mean in the US we have an entire medical field for anesthesia, as it's a specialized form of medicine.

During my first experience in Turkey, I felt uncomfortable right after the anesthesia. The room was a freezer and my legs started to shake.
I was worried and thought: are my legs shaking because it is cold? Am I getting a panic attack? Or Am I allergic to this specific anesthetic?
I said the doc that I felt seek and asked for an antihistaminic and something to calm down.
The nurse went into another room, came back and said they didn't have anything.
I said "what does it happen if I get an anaphylactic shock?"
You know what happened later...

[ITA]

3 minutes ago, duchaine said:

During my first experience in Turkey, I felt uncomfortable right after the anesthesia. The room was a freezer and my legs started to shake.
I was worried and thought: are my legs shaking because it is cold? Am I getting a panic attack? Or Am I allergic to this specific anesthetic?
I said the doc that I felt seek and asked for an antihistaminic and something to calm down.
The nurse went into another room, came back and said they didn't have anything.
I said "what does it happen if I get an anaphylactic shock?"
You know what happened later...

absurd!!!

[Future Hair Doc]

23 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Yea I agree, but there is a big loophole in this medical tourism. These patients, don't live in the same country, don't know that countries laws etc. What are your thoughts on amateurs administering large does of anesthesia? Just how dangerous is it? I mean in the US we have an entire medical field for anesthesia, as it's a specialized form of medicine.

Anesthesia can kill you because it can lower your blood pressure a lot (preventing adequate blood perfusion to your organs such your kidneys and brain)...anesthesia can also put you in a coma and has other bad effects. I don't know how it's legal for amateurs to administer anesthesia. 

 

13 hours ago, duchaine said:

During my first experience in Turkey, I felt uncomfortable right after the anesthesia. The room was a freezer and my legs started to shake.
I was worried and thought: are my legs shaking because it is cold? Am I getting a panic attack? Or Am I allergic to this specific anesthetic?
I said the doc that I felt seek and asked for an antihistaminic and something to calm down.
The nurse went into another room, came back and said they didn't have anything.
I said "what does it happen if I get an anaphylactic shock?"
You know what happened later...

When you say anesthesia....are you talking about general anesthesia? Local anesthesia? 

[duchaine]

16 minutes ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

 

 

When you say anesthesia....are you talking about general anesthesia? Local anesthesia? 

Local. If it was general, I was quietly sleeping

[Melvin- Admin]

59 minutes ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

Anesthesia can kill you because it can lower your blood pressure a lot (preventing adequate blood perfusion to your organs such your kidneys and brain)...anesthesia can also put you in a coma and has other bad effects. I don't know how it's legal for amateurs to administer anesthesia. 

 

Is it safe for amateurs to administer local anesthesia, I mean I think even that is super risky. 

[Melvin- Admin]

14 hours ago, duchaine said:

During my first experience in Turkey, I felt uncomfortable right after the anesthesia. The room was a freezer and my legs started to shake.
I was worried and thought: are my legs shaking because it is cold? Am I getting a panic attack? Or Am I allergic to this specific anesthetic?
I said the doc that I felt seek and asked for an antihistaminic and something to calm down.
The nurse went into another room, came back and said they didn't have anything.
I said "what does it happen if I get an anaphylactic shock?"
You know what happened later...

WTF 😨 that is completely unacceptable think about how much anesthesia they use on these mega-sessions of guys having 4-5K grafts in one sitting, something can happen. 

[Future Hair Doc]

20 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Is it safe for amateurs to administer local anesthesia, I mean I think even that is super risky. 

No, I don't think amateurs should administer local anesthesia or even epinephrine (too much of epi can cause necrosis of tissue through vasoconstriction). Nurses are allowed to and I think that's completely reasonable. I'm not sure what the rules are about medical assistants though.

Edited January 30, 2020 by Dr. Suhail Khokhar

[Looking for HT]

On 1/28/2020 at 6:21 AM, Melvin-Moderator said:

This story really had a big impact on me @Glam Hair shared his story, and I decided to make a video on it, because I think this story happens way more than we know. Let's share his story

 

Thank you so much for managing this forum .You are doing a superb job 😊

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

On 1/29/2020 at 12:56 PM, duchaine said:

During my first experience in Turkey, I felt uncomfortable right after the anesthesia. The room was a freezer and my legs started to shake.
I was worried and thought: are my legs shaking because it is cold? Am I getting a panic attack? Or Am I allergic to this specific anesthetic?
I said the doc that I felt seek and asked for an antihistaminic and something to calm down.
The nurse went into another room, came back and said they didn't have anything.
I said "what does it happen if I get an anaphylactic shock?"
You know what happened later...

Anaphylactic shock occurs in seconds, antihistaminic tablets start working in 25-30 minutes, they are not useful in case of anaphylactic shock, they are used for things like pollen allergy, then sneezing, runny nose, watery eyes, itchy throat etc.

In order to better clarify this point:

dr. Pekiner's clinic has got all the needed medicines for emergencies, mostly are injectable. Adrenaline and steroids are injected if there is a real allergic reaction, no tablet is given in these cases.

Not all the kinds oral tablets (which are not life saving) are available at the clinic because it's not a pharmacy. This doesn't mean the clinic doesn't have the basic pharmaceuticals in stock. It is a medical clinic licensed by the health ministry at the end, conjecturing that not even the common medical treatments are available is nonsense.

Here's a picture of part of the clinic supply.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic

[duchaine]

13 hours ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Anaphylactic shock occurs in seconds, antihistaminic tablets start working in 25-30 minutes, they are not useful in case of anaphylactic shock, they are used for things like pollen allergy, then sneezing, runny nose, watery eyes, itchy throat etc.

In order to better clarify this point:

dr. Pekiner's clinic has got all the needed medicines for emergencies, mostly are injectable. Adrenaline and steroids are injected if there is a real allergic reaction, no tablet is given in these cases.

Not all the kinds oral tablets (which are not life saving) are available at the clinic because it's not a pharmacy. This doesn't mean the clinic doesn't have the basic pharmaceuticals in stock. It is a medical clinic licensed by the health ministry at the end, conjecturing that not even the common medical treatments are available is nonsense.

Here's a picture of part of the clinic supply.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dr Pekiner Clinic,
a clinic should keep in check all the medicines they have, because it can be harmful for the patient if some  medicines are needed and are not available.
In my case, the surgeon thought I needed oral antihistaminic, asked the nurse to take some pills in the other room but she came back saying that they were not provided with that.
Even if it is hard for you to hear, that is a serious lack in your actions.
I know that your job is to support the clinic but it doesn't make sense the way your are trying to defend the way they acted.
You said indeed that ""Not all the kinds oral tablets (which are not life saving) are available at the clinic because it's not a pharmacy".
Unfortunately,  this statement is completely meaningless.
 A clinic can't be provided only with "life saving" medicines because  several disturbances can occur during surgery that require a different treatment.
The surgeon himself was very aware how important  oral antihistaminic are* and that I needed an immediate therapy thus he, asked to bring me some pills.
Believe me, I'm not happy to reveal that I had a such scary experience at your clinic  and, in fact, I didn't name names.
But, because you  replied with illogical inference and inaccurate medical informations, I felt the duty to provide the readers my genuine opinion about this story.


*For the record: antihistaminic pills  play a crucial role during surgery to reduce the risk of anaphylactic shock, to avoid general disturbances and are mandatory post op. An extract from specialistic literature can clarify this point: "Histamine is quite commonly released during anesthesia and surgery [...]. After induction of anesthesia and preoperative loading with either Ringer solution or Haemacell, the patients were randomized to receive antihistamine prophylaxis with dimethidine plus cimetidine, or placebo.The authors report that clinically relevant or life-threatening disturbances occurred in 15 (including four life-threatening events) of 57 patients in the placebo/haemacell group and five of the 59 placebo-/Ringer group. In the antihistamine-treated groups combined, only one patient out of 115 experienced disturbance."

 

Edited February 10, 2020 by duchaine

[LonelyGraft]

5 hours ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Anaphylactic shock occurs in seconds, antihistaminic tablets start working in 25-30 minutes, they are not useful in case of anaphylactic shock, they are used for things like pollen allergy, then sneezing, runny nose, watery eyes, itchy throat etc.

In order to better clarify this point:

dr. Pekiner's clinic has got all the needed medicines for emergencies, mostly are injectable. Adrenaline and steroids are injected if there is a real allergic reaction, no tablet is given in these cases.

Not all the kinds oral tablets (which are not life saving) are available at the clinic because it's not a pharmacy. This doesn't mean the clinic doesn't have the basic pharmaceuticals in stock. It is a medical clinic licensed by the health ministry at the end, conjecturing that not even the common medical treatments are available is nonsense.

Here's a picture of part of the clinic supply.

 

 

 

 

 

Why are you talking like you were there yourself and witnessed it all? You’re sitting in Italy while the patient was in the chair in Turkey being operated on. He’s just sharing his experience. He didn’t even mention the clinic name yet you come in barging in to defend your clinic. He has no reason to lie imo.

[duchaine]

1 hour ago, LonelyGraft said:

Why are you talking like you were there yourself and witnessed it all? You’re sitting in Italy while the patient was in the chair in Turkey being operated on. He’s just sharing his experience. He didn’t even mention the clinic name yet you come in barging in to defend your clinic. He has no reason to lie imo.

As you noted, I didn't name names. Some people sent me PM asking for the name, but I refused to blame the clinic.
This is why it sound really strange he wrote to defend the clinic.

In any case, he is not denying what I said but he is saying that I can't protest against it because that the clinic is not complelled to have antihistaminic pills. 

it sounds completely meaningless to me.
In fact, even if the surgeon doesn't give antihistaminic orals as a prophylactic treatment (and that is a very debatable choice), at least the clinic should have some antihistaminic pills inside to threat the disturbances that do not require adrenaline or cortisone.
The circumstance that the doctor asked for some pills and the nurse said that clinic didn't have that  is quite disconcerting.
It is more disconcerting, anyway, that his rep came here saying that I was asking for useless things.
The doctor asked for that pills and, because pills are not candies, I'm sure he thought I needed that treatment in that moment.

I'm faithful that the picture he posted has beed taken at the clinic. Anyway, I wonder why an hair restoration clinic is provided with muscoril (a medicine for muscle stretch) and gaviscon (a medicine for gastric reflux) while doesn’t have any antihistaminic or sedative pills.

maybe one of the doctor on the website can explain something about it.

Edited February 9, 2020 by duchaine

[ITA]

Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic, How is it possible that you think it right that a clinic did not have antihistamines and sedatives?

[Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic]

8 hours ago, LonelyGraft said:

Why are you talking like you were there yourself and witnessed it all? You’re sitting in Italy while the patient was in the chair in Turkey being operated on. He’s just sharing his experience. He didn’t even mention the clinic name yet you come in barging in to defend your clinic. He has no reason to lie imo.

So what, am I not entitled to talk or to explain what happened and why the accusation has no basis? Or do you think I wrote without asking about the issue to dr. Pekiner?

The reference is pretty clear since he only had graft extractions with dr. Pekiner and I was sent here by a patient worried about the clinic not having basic medical supply. So everything is pretty obvious for everyone, still in your opinion I should remain silent and let the wrong speculation being displayed forever without even answering. What's your next step, asking for my ban because I dared to give an explanation?

I never said he lied, he told the truth, still there's no reason for speculating about the clinic not having life saving medicines in case of anaphylactic shock just because he didn't get a antihistaminic tablet that is not a treatment used in case of shock but mainly for pollen allergy.

Egy the clinic has antihistaminic and sedatives that are shot in case of necessity.

I am ending here my participation in this topic unless some new accusations will be posted.

Thank you.

Edited February 10, 2020 by Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic

[Portugal25]

5 hours ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

So what, am I not entitled to talk or to explain what happened and why the accusation has no basis? Or do you think I wrote without asking about the issue to dr. Pekiner?

The reference is pretty clear since he only had graft extractions with dr. Pekiner and I was sent here by a patient worried about the clinic not having basic medical supply. So everything is pretty obvious for everyone, still in your opinion I should remain silent and let the wrong speculation being displayed forever without even answering. What's your next step, asking for my ban because I dared to give an explanation?

I never said he lied, he told the truth, still there's no reason for speculating about the clinic not having life saving medicines in case of anaphylactic shock just because he didn't get a antihistaminic tablet that is not a treatment used in case of shock but mainly for pollen allergy.

Egy the clinic has antihistaminic and sedatives that are shot in case of necessity.

I am ending here my participation in this topic unless some new accusations will be posted.

Thank you.

Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic, first I don`t understand the need for you write in this thread because the terrible ordeal that happened to @Glam Hair has nothing to do with Dr. Pekiner.

Secondly, if @duchainea patient of the clinic you represent says he`s discontent because of the lack of oral tablets of any kind then it`s your job as the rep of a Luxury clinic to have written a very simple reply "We deeply apologize and have implemented internal procedures to assure this will not be happening again".

I do this every time my company fails to comply with a client expectations because as the saying goes "the customer is always right" and if we don`t better ourselves then we go out of business.

I strongly urge you to change your tone towards patients that happen to write any form of critic because every Doctor or clinic can make a mistake (obviously not like the one in this thread) and unfortunately your anwers are giving Dr. Pekiner a undeserved bad reputation.

Edited February 10, 2020 by Portugal25