Senior Member duchaine Posted December 16, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, futurenow said: Hi people, please watch this case: https://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=82788 The photos speak and it seems they don't want to apply the guarantee it is in Spanish...I'm Italian but I can't understand written Spanish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted December 16, 2019 Author Regular Member Share Posted December 16, 2019 This is another recent case, He was to Valencia where the doctor was in a conference: https://foro.recuperarelpelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=77633 Too He has refused to apply the guarentee, the excuse has been He has very thin hair and a lot of grafts of 1 unit and that the result was the expected The other case too has been refused simply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted December 24, 2019 Author Regular Member Share Posted December 24, 2019 Btw I didn't tell something, in November a doctor saw my intervention, I wanted to to see if the the donor and recipient areas had been damaged, maybe I had a bad survival, but He told me that an operation like this (with care) low survival was discarded and imposible 3200 grafts in 4 hour with a quality operation. I didn't tell him anything about Turkey and either the name of clinic to be impartial. Anyway in January I will visit other doctor and to have a second opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Louisjams Posted December 24, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted December 24, 2019 I may be a bit of an outlier but I think it’s a good result and it doesn’t look bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted December 24, 2019 Author Regular Member Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Louisjams said: I may be a bit of an outlier but I think it’s a good result and it doesn’t look bad at all. For 3200 grafts it is a very bad case, that's is the problem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted January 1, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted January 1, 2020 People I need help with this, a person of biology background has told that the points of preanestesia are a negligence in the zone where are localizated. I ahven't seen other cases with points so down [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ITA Posted January 1, 2020 Senior Member Share Posted January 1, 2020 In the end, did you have any negative consequences regarding anesthesia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Blackweasel Posted January 6, 2020 Regular Member Share Posted January 6, 2020 Here is my 3175 grafts at Dr.Cinik. I think this is close to what I was promised as far as graft number goes. Maybe give another Dr a go and use some beard hair to fill in the noticeable gap so you preserve your donor. My operation also took 8 hours and was DHI method. Cost was 3090 euro. Also 200 or so implanted into crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted January 6, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted January 6, 2020 Thanks blackweasel. They have offered me the warrancy and fix the lack of density and the design, really I don't know what should i do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Blackweasel Posted January 8, 2020 Regular Member Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 2:05 AM, futurenow said: Thanks blackweasel. They have offered me the warrancy and fix the lack of density and the design, really I don't know what should i do Its a hard one, I think youre result is not too bad. Maybe just fill in the remaining gap and add some density? Also a possible option is to use some body hair as to not exhaust your donor in case you need future treatment. Wish you luck with any decision you end up making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 8, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8, 2020 I was speaking with the responsible person in Spain of Serkan, He told me that my survival was low, I have been in 6 clinics and they deny this due the quality of my hair and the zone where the HR has been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted March 8, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 8, 2020 I think this photo shows the reality [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted March 24, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) I upload some photos I think you will get conclusions This is 3 months ago that I cut my hair very short This is current with shaved hair and this photo, please take a look Finally throughout these weeks I will be uploading photos so you can see the growth without trying to camouflage it with longer hair Edited March 24, 2020 by futurenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted June 28, 2020 Author Regular Member Share Posted June 28, 2020 A new photo, with the treatment of mesotherapy and medication my hair is better however the main problem in my intervention is there [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 6, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 Well people, 9 days ago I had a repair. The differences are amazing, if you decide go to Serkan at least choose that the medical lead in your intervention should be Ibrahim. At least he is a doctor with integrity, his work is good, I am sure when he will be known and He will open his own clinic, in the same way that Ximena Vila was working for Lorenzo, who is one of the best doctors in the world, Ximena now has her own clinic and is an extraordinary doctor. In the photo Serkan and Ibrahim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Britanium Posted February 6, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 I,m glad your happy that you got a repair. Can you show us pics of this please? It’s too early to say the differences are amazing. What are the details of the repair ? Graft count etc. I wish you good growth and hope it does end up as you hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 6, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) yeah, I post the images The differences are amazing in post procedure, the images when it say "4 and 6 hours" is the time of the intervention And this is a photo from 7 days from intervention: 9 days Edited February 6, 2021 by futurenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member BLE123 Posted February 6, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 So who was the 2nd procedure with? The 3200 number was obviously a complete lie, you only have to look at the area covered and as pointed out before the time the surgery took. I guess this is what some of these clinics do, they lower their price per graft but then charge you for more grafts than they actually extract - which is basically fraud but then it's difficult to prove. Anyway, the work looks good and I hope you get the result you should have got the first time. Good luck 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member ITA Posted February 6, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 You have to distinguish "repair" from "second intervention" which are two very different things, @Doron Haratican explain the meaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Doron Harati Posted February 6, 2021 Senior Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, Egy said: You have to distinguish "repair" from "second intervention" which are two very different things, @Doron Haratican explain the meaning. Repair protocol like I had, is a different procedure that requires very experienced doctor, because: 1) Punch procedure is more complicated, because the donor got scars and depletion, now here is the tricky thing, when you punch grafts from a donor that was traumatized by amatur job before, the doctor needs carefully to punch healthy grafts, pre amatur procedures can hurt grafts roots that survived BUT some are deformed and eroded and aren't fit a hair transplant procedure, although the hair on the donor looks normal, this is what happened to me. 2) When a paitent had a procedure at technicians clinic and wants to do a repair by a doctor, the doctor in taking responsibility for the previous procedure and need carefully not to hurt the old implanted grafts, this is very very complex. 2nd intervention doesn't require those skills, in some cases 2nd can be a small "touch up", add more 700 single grafts to the frontal for instance, but without over traumatized scalp. I had my awful experience at Arenamed clinic in Istanbul and when I was lucky that Dr. Maras from HDC could repair me with my svere traumatized scalp and I am more than happy now. 1 Doron Harati - Patient coordinator for HDC Hair Clinic, HT procedures are done by MD Doctors with Microscope FUE. For consultation contact me: WhatsApp +972526542654 Mail:doronhdc@gmail.com HDC Instegram: https://instagram.com/doronhairadvisor_hdc?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= * All comments from this account should not be taken or construed as medical advice, all comments are only the personal opinions of the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 6, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Egy said: You have to distinguish "repair" from "second intervention" which are two very different things, @Doron Haratican explain the meaning. Well due all the area in the before cirugy has been treated it is a repair, most of doctor called it repair, beside I had a fibrous tissue higher was seen in the trichoscope Edited February 6, 2021 by futurenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Al - Moderator Posted February 7, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just a comment on the first procedure: It looks to me like they charged you per hair, rather than per graft. If you figure an average of around 2.2 hairs per graft then that would give you around 1450 grafts to get 3200 hairs. The 1450 number looks to me to be about the amount of grafts that was done. It does look like most of it grew because they hardly transplanted in the center where it was still thin afterwards. It looks like you had some very thin miniaturized hair there that really needed to be transplanted into much more the way the 2nd procedure was done. Al Forum Moderator (formerly BeHappy) I am a forum moderator for hairrestorationnetwork.com. I am not a Dr. and I do not work for any particular Dr. My opinions are my own and may not reflect the opinions of other moderators or the owner of this site. I am also a hair transplant patient and repair patient. You can view some of my repair journey here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 8, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) On 2/7/2021 at 1:45 PM, BeHappy said: Just a comment on the first procedure: It looks to me like they charged you per hair, rather than per graft. If you figure an average of around 2.2 hairs per graft then that would give you around 1450 grafts to get 3200 hairs. The 1450 number looks to me to be about the amount of grafts that was done. It does look like most of it grew because they hardly transplanted in the center where it was still thin afterwards. It looks like you had some very thin miniaturized hair there that really needed to be transplanted into much more the way the 2nd procedure was done. Thanks for your observation, indeed these are the information of the extraction: In my HT they didn't give me the file in person, it was by email HT Serkan: graft 1 hair: 850graft 2 hair: 1450grafts 3 hair: 900Very close to 2 hair/graft Very curious number, when in a photo i counted very close to 1600 grafts? In my repair:graft 1 hair: 146graft 2 hair: 561graft 3 hair: 483graft 4 hair: 52So the mean is 2.40 hair/graft It is amazing coming from a previous intervention and the average has been better and the post cirugy is being so different, the recovering is being faster than first intervention Edited February 8, 2021 by futurenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member futurenow Posted February 28, 2021 Author Regular Member Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) Well, with 30 days from my HT repair, my shock loss it seems soft, I have lost the new inserted hair but native hair and old inserted hair (at least for the moment) haven't fallen These are the photos from the clinic: Edited February 28, 2021 by futurenow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted March 2, 2021 Administrators Share Posted March 2, 2021 Glad you got this fixed, who was the second surgeon? Ibrahim Jebai? I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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