4650 Grafts with Dr Resul Yaman - 13.7.2019

[gbhscot]

Though I just updated, I was amused to see a pic taken exactly 7 months ago today. 7 months apart:

[gbhscot]

7 minutes ago, StantonNY said:

Big transformation. You must be pleased.

How much does Dr Yaman charge?

 

Thanks! So far very pleased but really hoping a bit more density comes through...it's exciting, and has been totally transformative in terms of my self image.

I think his going rate is 1 eur per graft, that isn't what I paid as I was a really last minute, filling a slot type of thing - you'd need to speak to the clinic. One thing I'll say is that there are plenty of places offering package deals for less than 2-3k in Istanbul just now - some do come good, but I reckon Yaman is a class apart. I attribute my lack of shedding to his implanter technique.

[CosmoKramer]

Nice progress man, you look 5-10 years younger. 👍🏻

[gbhscot]

21 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Nice progress man, you look 5-10 years younger. 👍🏻

Cheers Cosmo - tbf that before pic was right after surgery - the 12 hour shift in the chair bloody aged me!

[skhaircanada]

Nice transformation. I had a questions for you. Did you use a regular shampoo after the first month or were you given a shampoo by the clinic along with the spray and vitamins?

I also had an HT with Resul Yaman and he gave me the shampoo, spray and vitamins to use. These are after the foam ones. The issue I am having is skin peeling and dandruff. So the clinic made me stop the spray they gave me.

did you also go through a phase of skin peeling and dandruff at the recipient area? 

[gbhscot]

4 hours ago, skhaircanada said:

Nice transformation. I had a questions for you. Did you use a regular shampoo after the first month or were you given a shampoo by the clinic along with the spray and vitamins?

I also had an HT with Resul Yaman and he gave me the shampoo, spray and vitamins to use. These are after the foam ones. The issue I am having is skin peeling and dandruff. So the clinic made me stop the spray they gave me.

did you also go through a phase of skin peeling and dandruff at the recipient area? 

I don't recall much peeling after the scabs came off around day 10..

 

I did, and still do, wash my hair by alternating 1 min cold 1 min warm water, it's great for blood flow so helped healing and in my IMO growth

[skhaircanada]

You have been using normal shampoo after you finished the foam ones they gave?

 

The clinic suggested to use nizoral 3 times a week for the flaking/peeling so I hope that works and I get result like urs too.

[gbhscot]

On 2/24/2020 at 4:41 AM, skhaircanada said:

You have been using normal shampoo after you finished the foam ones they gave?

 

The clinic suggested to use nizoral 3 times a week for the flaking/peeling so I hope that works and I get result like urs too.

Yeah I used their Shampoo the first weeks and have used nizoral about 3 times a wee since. Also bought into the caffeine shampoo hype but think it's.BS, I just like how it smells though.

 

Recently clinic.advised.incould start dermarolling so something I'm thinking of too. Saw great results from cosmokramer on here.

[Melvin- Admin]

Looks great, Dr. Yamam did a great job. Happy for you man, I know you struggled with the idea, but your choice definitely paid off.

[Melvin- Admin]

@gbhscot 

Id love to see another update, hope all is well.

[gbhscot]

On 4/22/2020 at 2:12 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

@gbhscot 

Id love to see another update, hope all is well.

Hi Melvin,

I haven't updated in a while as I'm not quite sure how I'm feeling about it - actually have the feeling I've lost ground since my previous updates. Was exciting over the past few months to see new growth, but since then I feel it has stopped. On the one hand, I think it's great to have some coverage again, and considering how stoked I'd felt previously, I guess it isn't bad. On the other...I've seen much better density HTs and I reckon I'll be a bit disappointed about it if this is it. At 9 months now.

[Melvin- Admin]

Really? That’s surprising considering the significant difference. What changed your mind or feelings about it?

[gbhscot]

Just now, Melvin-Moderator said:

Really? That’s surprising considering the significant difference. What changed your mind or feelings about it?

Just feel none of the crown grafts have grown, and at the front the density was looking like it would be great but seems less so now. I know to have realistic expectations etc, but part of me can't help being a bit down about it

[Melvin- Admin]

I think it looks really good man, you have to know that 4,650 grafts will never be enough for full coverage and density. You now have the illusion of density if you comb your hair well. That’s what hair transplants are all about “illusion” of density, especially when you’re a Norwood 5+. Either way I truly hope you can feel better about it and enjoy your hair and results. A bit of toppik and your hair will look awesome. Wish you the best🙏🏼

[gbhscot]

On 4/22/2020 at 2:12 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

@gbhscot

 

 

10 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I think it looks really good man, you have to know that 4,650 grafts will never be enough for full coverage and density. You now have the illusion of density if you comb your hair well. That’s what hair transplants are all about “illusion” of density, especially when you’re a Norwood 5+. Either way I truly hope you can feel better about it and enjoy your hair and results. A bit of toppik and your hair will look awesome. Wish you the best🙏🏼

I know that I was never getting great density with that number of grafts, but I'm nonetheless a bit down about seeing bald patches, even as far forward. I've seen much better results on guys with similar characteristics. I've been looking into this for years, long enough to have had a best case <----> worst case scale worked out in my head, and I'd say it's around the middle of that currently.

Now the question is whether to push it and go for a second, knowing the donor might well become noticeable (though would be happy to get SMP to negate that). Or do I just leave as is. Or do I just put it down to money poorly spent, shave it and get on with life. It's a tough one.


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Actually, looking back through the pics I've posted here, I#d say I've definitely lost density recently. Wtf is that about?! Taking fin...shouldn't be happening

Edited April 24, 2020 by gbhscot

[Melvin- Admin]

2 minutes ago, gbhscot said:

 

I know that I was never getting great density with that number of grafts, but I'm nonetheless a bit down about seeing bald patches, even as far forward. I've seen much better results on guys with similar characteristics. I've been looking into this for years, long enough to have had a best case <----> worst case scale worked out in my head, and I'd say it's around the middle of that currently.

Now the question is whether to push it and go for a second, knowing the donor might well become noticeable (though would be happy to get SMP to negate that). Or do I just leave as is. Or do I just put it down to money poorly spent, shave it and get on with life. It's a tough one.

It’s very hard to compare results if not seeing the results in person. A lot of guys you think have better results, may just be presenting their results in the best conditions and with their hair properly styled. I’ve seen a lot of cases and that looks like a success. I looked back at your graft placement and it covered your entire scalp.

There was no way you would have full density, the crown grafts were very spread apart. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault, just the reality of surgery and limitations. A Norwood 5+ will need more than one surgery, and even Norwood 2’s will eventually need more surgeries. 

Given your previous thoughts about hair transplants. It might be best to move on, I’m not sure you’ll ever truly be satisfied with hair transplants. SMP is an option, but remember it fades and needs to touched up every few years. 

[gbhscot]

6 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

It’s very hard to compare results if not seeing the results in person. A lot of guys you think have better results, may just be presenting their results in the best conditions and with their hair properly styled. I’ve seen a lot of cases and that looks like a success. I looked back at your graft placement and it covered your entire scalp.

There was no way you would have full density, the crown grafts were very spread apart. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault, just the reality of surgery and limitations. A Norwood 5+ will need more than one surgery, and even Norwood 2’s will eventually need more surgeries. 

Given your previous thoughts about hair transplants. It might be best to move on, I’m not sure you’ll ever truly be satisfied with hair transplants. SMP is an option, but remember it fades and needs to touched up every few years. 

I agree to an extent, like I'm kind of down about it now and pretty aware that it's a really limited procedure. At the same time, if I've gone this far, why not go further? If I did, SMP would be only in the donor area to camouflage some of the FUE scarring which I'd imagine would become visible.

From your experience, do you reckon a 2nd op (I'd conservatively estimate with 2k scalp grafts and 1k beard) would make a  tangible  difference? 

[Melvin- Admin]

10 minutes ago, gbhscot said:

I agree to an extent, like I'm kind of down about it now and pretty aware that it's a really limited procedure. At the same time, if I've gone this far, why not go further? If I did, SMP would be only in the donor area to camouflage some of the FUE scarring which I'd imagine would become visible.

From your experience, do you reckon a 2nd op (I'd conservatively estimate with 2k scalp grafts and 1k beard) would make a  tangible  difference? 

It would make a difference, but again it all depends on your expectations. If you expect to completely cover up the crown, I’d say no. It will be an improvement for sure, but you will always have imperfections and weaknesses. 

I started a thread a few weeks ago titled “hair transplant are not perfect” I shared my weaknesses with the community, because I want guys to expect realistic results. I don’t want you to end up disappointed, given the fact that you already are, and your results are good.
 

 

[CosmoKramer]

Looking at your update photos...in all honesty it still looks way better than your pre-op photos, is it very dense, no, but you hair looks longer and when hair is longer gaps in density look more obvious. And if you feel you’ve lost ground there it a possiblity that your HT hairs are going through about shed and growth cycle so it’s likely better to really judge your results after about 15 month mark. 

[agassi99]

On 4/24/2020 at 3:28 PM, gbhscot said:

Just feel none of the crown grafts have grown, and at the front the density was looking like it would be great but seems less so now. I know to have realistic expectations etc, but part of me can't help being a bit down about it

Do you think the results would have been better with a FUT procedure (especially on the crown)?

[Coady]

To me the result is a good one considering the number of grafts used and the level of baldness you had before hand. I think it looks good man. 

Keep your hair the same length as month 7 and I think it looks really good. Like Melvin always says hair transplants are illusion of density. 

It just looks worse when your hair is longer  cause bald spots always look way worse when your hair is longer. 

Also  you seem to have a very good doner so all you have to do is go for another pass on the mid scalp and crown and then your hair will be perfect. So you are really in a very good position here. 

 

 

 

[gbhscot]

Hi all,

 

replying to the above topics - I was always clear that density wouldn't be great at the crown, though I'd hoped for better density further forward. I'm not new to this, I've looked at god knows how many thousand results and I'd have kind of hoped for a bit more density for that many grafts - and it is a lot of grafts. I'm not saying it was a total failure, far from it - I just don't think my best case expectations were met which is obviously disappointing for any guy.

Cosmo raises an interesting point about growth cycles, and one thing I've wondered is whether I'm just susceptible to seasonal shedding - I definitely do think I lose hair in the summer months, so will be interested to see if I suddenly get a growth spurt again in September or something. Who knows. 

Do I think FUT would have been better for results? I always would say yes to this, as FUT is is better for graft survival. But it wasn't an option for me - I can't tell you a single HT clinic of good reputation in Europe within my budget who offer FUT. Furthermore, knowing that I'll never have full density, I always want buzzing to be an option - linear scar is a big no-no then.

Coady, cheers for the comment, appreciate it and I agree on length too. Back in the previous updates, I was ecstatic with how well it had gone, I genuinely am only down about it now as I feel I've lost ground. If it's just a hair cycle and it comes back, I'll personally publish a thread titled NEVER DOUBT MELVIN.

On the positive side, I've had a really short hair cut and the donor seems fairly good at very short lengths, I'm happy with that for sure. Looking to the future, I might well get it done again, maybe even again with Dr Yaman - I'd like to get his perspective on the results tbh. I'll post pics below of new length.

[gbhscot]

So these are day after a cut, combed over is the only style I can get away with currently. Happy enough with donor. Under harsher light it look much thinner but does kinda make me wanna go for a second pass for density. Hairline is high but I would actually be cool with leaving as is to use grafts for density.

 

That said.... How many grafts does it not ally take to fill in the temples a bit? Not a flat hairline but less of a peak?

[Melvin- Admin]

Honestly I don’t think a fine haired guy could ask for better results. 

[gbhscot]

11 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Honestly I don’t think a fine haired guy could ask for better results. 

Maybe the case. If so then a slight feeling of disappointment remains, although not with the clinic at all - I still do genuinely think they were excellent. So what's a fine haired guy to do? Push the boat out for a 2nd HT and go for absolute maximum possible density? SMP? Start using fibres again? (told by clinic these are poison for transplanted hairs). I feel i'm 20% away from being totally satisfied with it currently.

Out of curiosity, do you think FUT is more advisable for guys with fine hair?