Senior Member HairDew Posted July 18, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 18, 2019 I remember clearly when Armani was suing this site. It was awful. His FUT results were really good as I remember but FUE were all hit or miss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 20, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) On 7/15/2019 at 7:12 PM, transplantedphil said: If they have signed it they can't disclose it (right)? Pretty shady stuff. Problem is if youve actually paid a deposit to the clinic, travelled to get surgery, booked a hotel etc, then on the day you're given an NDA you're suddenly faced with a sunk cost bias as to whether just sign it and hope for the best, or lose the money and start the process of finding a HT doc all over again. That's exactly what Dr. Baubac Hayatdavoudi did to me. The dumped the NDA on me the morning of my sugery. Edited July 20, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 20, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) On 7/15/2019 at 7:41 PM, Curious said: Why don't you post the language of the NDA? I can do that. Edited July 20, 2019 by Ranger99 Image added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious Posted July 20, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 20, 2019 You should have taken your pen and crossed out the lines having to do with posting in an online forum about your procedure, and anything else you objected to. Even with the NDA, all he can do is terminate the patient/physician relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Curious said: You should have taken your pen and crossed out the lines having to do with posting in an online forum about your procedure, and anything else you objected to. Even with the NDA, all he can do is terminate the patient/physician relationship. Interesting. Still want some legal counsel before I divulge my story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CosmoKramer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ranger99 said: I can do that. Interesting... But, even worse than the “keep your mouth shut” clause, is that they want you to relinquish your right to any legal/court action against them and do arbitration probably with an arbitration service they very-likely pay for. Yeah, No. Edited July 21, 2019 by CosmoKramer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CosmoKramer said: Interesting... But, even worse than the “keep your mouth shut” clause, is that they want you to relinquish your right to any legal/court action against them and do arbitration probably with an arbitration service they very-likely pay for. Yeah, No. Here is more on the arbitration from the Armani/Baubac agreement: Edited July 21, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) It looks like Armani victims' only justice can be found in the court of public opinion. Edited July 21, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Aftermath Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 7:31 PM, jj51702 said: From what I’ve read, yes. Anyone who knows more info can correct me if I’m wrong. I wonder if Rahal has patients sign NDAs too since it seems to be common practice among the doctors Armani trained? I’ve had this suspicion because I’ve seen quite a few people drop off the face of the earth on this site when their results get to 7 or 8 months and look like there are yield issues. Maybe just a coincidence and they’re just out living their lives?, guess we won’t get confirmation if it’s true anyway. Those kind of threads can be annoying though and if it actually is down to that kinda tactic will skew the results and not allow prospective patients to make a decision based on informed consent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 When you show up in the morning for your transplant and they hand this agreement to you to sign, refuse to sign it, or insist on crossing out the portions such as the NDA and the arbitration requirement that you object to. They probably won't cancel you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 44 minutes ago, Curious said: When you show up in the morning for your transplant and they hand this agreement to you to sign, refuse to sign it, or insist on crossing out the portions such as the NDA and the arbitration requirement that you object to. They probably won't cancel you. Wish I had walked right out of his office. Would've had a much better, and cheaper, time at Universal Studios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 NDA or not NDA: It is still very strange how few patient reports are out there showing the work from Baubac. I googled several forums, but there are the same rare reviews. The clinic posted results look great but patient reviews are the deciding factor. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said: NDA or not NDA: It is still very strange how few patient reports are out there showing the work from Baubac. I googled several forums, but there are the same rare reviews. The clinic posted results look great but patient reviews are the deciding factor. A few possibilities: - botched patients get repair jobs and, after success, move on with their lives - fear of litigation keeps them quiet (fear is a very powerful thing) - they give up on restoration altogether (which is sort of where I am at, although I feel compelled to warn others) Edited July 21, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 That does not explain why there are also no positive reviews from patients. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said: That does not explain why there are also no positive reviews from patients. It suggests there aren't many and/or that those with positive results don't want to talk about it and want to keep private lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ranger99 said: It suggests there aren't many and/or that those with positive results don't want to talk about it and want to keep private lives. The latter would be the case for any clinic. It is also hard to believe that he has only unhappy clients. At least he performs most of the surgery himself. Why would he do that if all results are bad anyway? Anyway, the lack of patient results was the thing which turned me down. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said: The latter would be the case for any clinic. It is also hard to believe that he has only unhappy clients. At least he performs most of the surgery himself. Why would he do that if all results are bad anyway? Anyway, the lack of patient results was the thing which turned me down. As I said on the H&W thread, Baubac did the harvesting and holes for the transplants but had two very young latino clinicians doing the actual placement of the grafts. Why would he do what if the results are bad? I don't seem to understand your question. Edited July 21, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Curious Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 Have you posted any photos of your results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Ranger99 said: As I said on the H&W thread, Baubac did the harvesting and holes for the transplants but had two very young latino clinicians doing the actual placement of the grafts. That is still more than most of the clinics do. Most clinics have the techs harvesting even the great ones (H&W, Feriduni, …). 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, Curious said: Have you posted any photos of your results? Not yet. Just waiting on clearance from my legal team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said: That is still more than most of the clinics do. Most clinics have the techs harvesting even the great ones (H&W, Feriduni, …). OK, wasn't aware of that. Regardless, results are the bottom line and I didn't get them. Also, the harvesting was not great. There were patches of overharvested areas rather than evenly spread harvesting. I am not sure what the standard is, but this is what I got. Edited July 21, 2019 by Ranger99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just read the NDA clauses published: Seems like it is just not allowed to present any (!) results in forums. Neither good ones nor bad ones...scary. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member Ranger99 Posted July 21, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said: Just read the NDA clauses published: Seems like it is just not allowed to present any (!) results in forums. Neither good ones nor bad ones...scary. Perhaps this will give a bit of insight: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarsanUk Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share Posted July 21, 2019 Well I'm glad I started this thread. That's baubac definitely off my list. It's just common sense, if you're interested in a certain doctor and can hardly find results they can go ****** themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted July 21, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted July 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ranger99 said: Perhaps this will give a bit of insight: No, this part shows what the clinic is allowed to post not the patient. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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