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Potential Recommendation of Dr. Emrah Cinik of Istanbul, Turkey

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The recommendation of Dr. Cinik has obviously sparked some debate, and I personally think that this is fantastic. This is exactly what the Hair Restoration Network is about. To explain our concerns, ask questions and give our opinions. It shows the strength and value of the very forum. A voice where all members can be heard, ask questions and educate.

I for one have been very impressed with many of Dr. Ciniks results in recent months. It has definitely put him on my radar and have been considering him for my next procedure. I personally haven't really been aware of any negative documented experiences from a Dr. Cinik patient. If anybody is aware of one, I would be very interested in seeing it and I think that now would be the perfect time to share that with everybody.

I believe that the pricing set up is completely against the norm of what any other Doctors offer, and so whilst adding intrigue, it also adds concern. The old saying, "you get what you pay for", comes to mind but that would be extremely naive and foolhardy to concentrate on this as a negative when so many results are showing the contrary. Whilst I completely understand and agree that the HTN does not recommend physicians with the consideration of price, a reputable HT Doctor showing solid and consistent results, that the community and its members have confidence in, offering procedures in this price range, opens up the possibility of HT surgery to many guys that simply can not afford the high prices of other Doctors. For me, I view this as a positive, not a negative.

Regarding Dr. Ciniks personal input in surgery, this is something that I believe we should put directly to Dr. Cinik. Unless some individuals specifically know due to their own experience, we are all reading the same literature. Most going from the information on his website. With 3 pricing plans available. The before consultation reads the following - 

"Before your surgery you will have a consultation with Dr.Cinik, where he will draw your hairline, determine the estimated number of grafts, check your medical history report and prepare the surgery report. The day after your operation your bandages will be taken off and Dr. Cinik will examine you and give recommendations."

There does seem a difference between the Primary and Exclusive package description of Dr. Ciniks input. The Exclusive package reading the following:

"Dr. Cinik will supervise every step of your surgery. (The extraction of grafts- channel openings and implanting of grafts). The most important part of the hair transplant is the opening of the channels which will be done by Dr. Cinik himself. The importance of this process is that it defines the deepness, thickness and the direction of the transplanted hair."

Just as we as a community have earned the right to know exactly what is the level of input of Dr. Cinik for his patients, I believe that Dr. Cinik has earned the opportunity to answer this very concern himself and explain to us EXACTLY how it is. I believe that this would be far more valuable as opposed to hear say.

I agree with the essence of Mick50s comment below. Things need to be cleared up.

17 hours ago, Mick50 said:

I'm not sure about this one ..I think a question needs to be asked is the community happy about a clinic being recommended where the Doc offers a cheaper  package where the techs do everything  apart form drawing the hair-line , so basically extractions, incisions placements etc ...what happens if a patient has chosen the cheaper option and comes on here complaining of a sub -par result how would that be dealt with ?   

jj51702 comment below is another question that I think Dr. Cinik should be given the opportunity to explain this process. His input and why is a specialised team necessary and perhaps more importantly, who are they?

5 hours ago, jj51702 said:

When I asked the clinic, they said they bring in an "expert" in DHI to perform the procedure so this goes in line with what you say.

Typpel - I would be very interested to hear more regarding your first hand experience with documentation.

BuddyX - Good question regarding the graft count. I imagine that it has a very simple answer but I think that we as a community should still ask the question.

haironhead - I agree regarding the presentation. That more and clearer photos and patient information would help to clarify many patient experiences and allow members to get a better understanding of individuals and their results. I have actually contacted Dr. Ciniks office regarding this as I look for complete transparency. I also feel, that as and when Dr. Cinik does provide these things, then the results will be even more impressive.

I for my own personal education, also intend to contact Dr. Cinik regarding a few of these concerns. I have been very impressed with the results that I have seen and believe that he can help to clarify some of these issues.  

 

 


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Having seen a significant amount of his work for a long time across multiple forums, Cinik objectively reaches the standards of the average FUE surgeon recommended here. In my opinion he is well above it, for the lowest prices on the entire website.  His work is by no means the most refined I have ever seen but I've enough of his work to say that he is worth considering and a safe option for those on a tight budget. Totally agree with Bills point about him having options for full tech oriented procedures. There is full transparency of this from what I've seen from the clinic and if people can't read the basics of fine print like this when spending thousands on travelling for a surgical procedure then there's no saving them. One issue that should be addressed is the poor post/pre/final result photos which can easily be fixed with a someone at the clinic spending a few days learning necessary skills and spending a grand on a decent DSLR. 

Ultimately there is a lot of fat I'd trim in the recommendations list on this website, but even after that I'd still have room for a budget clinic like this that from what I've seen is consistently doing acceptable work, and even on this website above par FUE work. Doing so emphasising that the recommendation is only for the package in which he does the incisions, which should be obvious for anyone choosing him imo considering the website recommends the doctor by name and not the clinic.

I also don't think its by any means outrageous to consider the forum recommending a clinic that has issues like this and might not be creating works of art like a Couto, Konior Keser etc when its at such a low price point. Not every clinic is doing work at the level or involvement of Couto, Konior or Keser, but at the same time not everyone wants to spend the money they charge/endure their waiting lists. If I had a friend who was seriously down about their hairloss but in no financial position to even go to a clinic like ASMED, I would absolutely recommend a clinic like this while also mentioning caveats and areas they don't reach the level of cream of the crop clinics. Ultimately I think those in that position would still gladly accept the average results coming from Cinik at this price point. Another reality is that there are plenty of people on this forum going to surgeons in the west, paying eight times more for half the grafts as a NW4 and coming out looking cosmetically worse by the standards of what any person on the street asked would think. 

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I’m on the fence with the recommendation addition of Dr Cinik based in what’s already been said regarding the different packages he offers, and if I’m being completely honest I’m not much impressed by the hairlines done by him or his techs, save for a select few patient results...BUT....I slightly agree with Jean, if a friend or family member were looking for a recommendation from me for a reasonably priced “budget” clinic with par to good results that can compete with the best of the over-priced clinics in the US/Europe/Canada/Australia&NZ then I would recommend Dr Cinik to them as a viable option.

Just want to add that hairlines can be refined later with a more specialized surgeon if someone chooses so going with Dr Cinik for a person with an advanced Norwood looking for price/graft affordability then it would be a good choice...with him doing part of the procedure of course.

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I wouldn't go to this doc for hairline work but I think he is a reasonably solid, budget option to tackle the crown 

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On 2/12/2019 at 10:22 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

I’ve been thoroughly impressed by Dr. Cinik, I’ve been hearing about him for quite sometime. This patient review is particularly impressive. For me it’s a yes. 

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/50151-3500-scheduled-with-dr-cinik-1212/?tab=comments#comment-463171

 

 

Melvin,

Is it not the same example shown in Bill's example list (the last example)?
There, it is written 3000 grafts but in your thread link is written 3500 grafts
What's right?

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 Guys, I want to chime in here and share some patient posted experiences and results for you to look at as well. There are dozens more about this is just a few of them. I will also address some of the posted concerns above shortly. 

 
https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/52555-3500-grafts-dr-cinik-6th-november-2018/?tab=comments#comment-486343 - patient posted experience with photos including postoperative photos, results not in yet.
 
https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/52115-dr-cinik-4300-grafts-results-progress - patient posted experience, postoperative photos and progress
 
 
https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/52116-dr-cinik-june-2018/?tab=comments#comment-481551 - patient shares experience, progress and results using scalp, body, chest and beard hair

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Guys, 

As I’m sure you know, there’s a lot to learn and presents when considering a surgeon for potential recommendation. I have to say that the Clinic has been very upfront with me regarding all of their policies and procedures. When I  first presented this topic, I was under the impression that the doctor also performed DHI  but after posting, the Clinic corrected me and let me know that it’s only technicians performed the DHI procedure however, Dr. Cinic Does oversee  and supervise the entire procedure. 

 I understand that there are some policies and procedures that are different in turkey then other places. Some of these policies and procedures may make it a bit uneasy for prospective patients to undergo surgery there. This is their right and choice.    However, the clinic and the doctor are both very transparent about what they offer, when they offer it, who is doing the procedure, which packages provide which services, etc.    this is a far cry different from those clinics that mask and hide  Blackhat techniques and delegate patients to another clinic with an experienced technicians or even another surgeon, etc. 

If Dr. Cinic  is chosen for surgery, he will be involved in the actual procedure by creating the recipient incisions. He will also supervise and oversee the rest of the procedure while his experienced technicians work hard hands-on. 

I have made the corrections to the original post so I hope everyone can now see the accurate information as it’s been presented. 

Best wishes,

Bill


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Guys,

 I also want to say that while I understand there are some concerns about policies and procedures, there are a multitude of Dr. Cinik’s’s  patience sharing their experiences, postoperative photos, progress photos and results on this forum. All of them are very happy with their experiences and results. I encourage those who really want to know exactly what goes on at the clinic, step-by-step and during the procedure to view these experiences. I posted a couple above and on the original post a few minutes ago. You can also use the search feature to see what others are saying. 

Best,

Bill


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I want to make another comment about technicians performing the entire procedure. While I am not personally too keen on this and would not personally ever choose to undergo a procedure where the doctor wasn’t at least  performing part of the procedure, we have to understand that the laws are different in turkey then they are in America. What they are doing an offering is perfectly legitimate and legal in Turkey. We don’t have to like it, but we don’t have the right to criticize them as unethical for doing what is perfectly acceptable in that area.  

 However, when we recommend a surgeon, that’s exactly what we are doing. Therefore, while we are not saying anything one way or another about the package where the doctor isn’t involved, our recommendation is to select the surgeon for surgery.   Wass, while the clinic and they offered DHI and the surgeon does supervise, I removed DHI from the services the surgeon offers. Now this is a tricky one to some degree because the surgeon is still overseeing the entire procedure. So he is still ultimately responsible for the DHI results. But since he is not hands-on for the DHI technique, I don’t feel right claiming that he performs this procedure.  

Now, let’s be clear. Hair transplant surgery has always been a team effort and even in America, top surgeons are only involved in a small part of the procedure and simply supervise and oversee the rest.  

If you all recall, it wasn’t too long ago that we were all having a debate about whether or not we’d ever go to a surgeon  Who wasn’t hands-on for the entire procedure. I remember personally being shocked when my first hair transplant surgeon disappeared and I was left with technicians working on my scalp. It made me very nervous because I didn’t do enough research ahead of time and wasn’t aware that this is how it worked. But there are some surgeons who are involved from A to Z and this often makes people more comfortable. I know it would’ve made me more comfortable. However, I ended up with excellent results and even though each surgeon wasn’t directly involved and hands on in more than 10% of the procedure,  I am very happy with my results. 

Now, we could sit here and criticize the reality that during the implantation process, even top surgeons in America and Canada only pop in once every couple hours during implantation. So much could go wrong during this part of the procedure but the doctor has trained the technicians to do state of the art work and  therefore must trust that the technicians are doing their job and on the ball that day. After all, if they are not, the responsibility falls back on the surgeon and makes him or her look bad. 

Even during the package where Dr. Cinik  isn’t involved which includes the DHI technique, he is still ultimately responsible for the end result and any poor growth or problems will fall back on him because ultimately, he is overseeing the procedure and has trained the technicians.  

 So do we say that the doctor also performs DHI or do we leave it off his list because he is not directly performing any part of the actual procedure?  As I already said, I’m on the fence about this and I think there could be a case for it either way. But for now, I’ve taken it off because I was informed by the clinic that the surgeon doesn’t  work hands-on in this procedure. 

I also think it’s silly to suggest that we shouldn’t recommend a surgeon who provides options and different packages. No matter which package a patient uses, the end goal is a successful procedure and result. In fact, I haven’t seen one poor result or bad experience written by any of his patients on this or other forums.  

As I said in a previous post, we can debate policy and procedure and decide for ourselves whether or not we would personally have surgery with a surgeon or clinic that  is minimally involved. But that’s the beauty of choice and informed consent.  

 Also remember that just because we recommend a particular surgeon, doesn’t mean that anybody has to choose them. The bottom line is, is the surgeon and his staff producing excellent results on par with our commanding standards for recommendation?    I would personally have to give a resounding “yes“.  

So if we approve this doctor for recommendation, the recommendation profile will be  very transparent just as the clinic has been with me regarding the packages and procedures they offer and surgeon involvement.   Individuals can then choose for themselves whether or not they want to select the surgeon based on the information. 

 So in my opinion, while the discussion above is interesting and certainly relevant, I don’t think the fact that they provide options should preclude Dr. Cinic  from being approved for recommendation, especially considering they are following all the laws of turkey and everything we’ve seen from the clinic and his patients have been top notch.  

 Now, a few members mentioned that they aren’t  biggest fan of his hairline’s and that his work isn’t ultra refined. I personally disagree.  Not selecting a surgeon is as much subjective as it is objective. Many members and patients of his are thrilled with their hairlines, crown work and donor areas after surgery and when the results grow in. Other members have commented saying that they weren’t of the biggest fan.    This appears to be a bit of a subjective debate and that’s totally fine. However, given  all we’ve seen, I do genuinely believe that he should be approved for recommendation. 

Best wishes,

Bill


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I don’t believe myself nor other members were criticizing that Dr Cinik offers various packages, to me that’s fine, I don’t think anyone questioned Dr Cinik’s ethics on transparency, I think he and his clinic website is pretty transparent, I was just on the fence about of the 3 Ht packages he is directly surgically involved in 1, as others mentioned, which to me and others is a concern, so I do believe the other non-surgeon-direct-involvement should be omittied if approved.

 I don’t believe there was criticism of the Turkish law and policy, just that point of the surgeon being at the very least involved surgically.

Also, I , not being a fan of his hairline work is definitely subjective since it can be difficult to see the true-to-life result in photos or video rather than in-person, with that said, if his patients are pleased then that’s great.

Will check out those links you have posted as well.

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14 minutes ago, Viktory said:

8.5 months after transplantation at Dr. Cinik clinic. living the dream :)

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Very nice result, as I believe I’ve mention before on your results.

One question for you tho, did you have any SMP prior to this procedure?...was looking at the clinic posted photos and your scalp seemed darker than the rest, thanks.

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Bill,

Thanks for the detailed posts addressing some of the concerns mentioned and getting further information from Dr. Cinik. That has definitely helped clarify a few things.

Regarding techs doing a lot of the work. It makes sense and always has to me. Of course, undoubtedly you want you chosen Doctor to be as involved in as many facets of the surgery as possible. But, for example,

I work in a completely different environment, but consider this for a moment. I have 50 employees. Each and every one of them, I have trained personally and expressed my ideas and philosophies, the when, how and more importantly the why we do what we do. Now, these very individuals, who do this specific job each and every day, do the job better than me. Whilst I have a range of responsibilities and tasks, these employees concentrate and become experts at theirs specific tasks! I am involved in every process and extremely confident and proud to  put my name to their work.

I for one support the recommendation of Dr. Cinik.


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50 minutes ago, VicTNYC said:

@Bill - Managing Publisher 

I don’t believe myself nor other members were criticizing that Dr Cinik offers various packages, to me that’s fine, I don’t think anyone questioned Dr Cinik’s ethics on transparency, I think he and his clinic website is pretty transparent, I was just on the fence about of the 3 Ht packages he is directly surgically involved in 1, as others mentioned, which to me and others is a concern, so I do believe the other non-surgeon-direct-involvement should be omittied if approved.

 I don’t believe there was criticism of the Turkish law and policy, just that point of the surgeon being at the very least involved surgically.

Also, I , not being a fan of his hairline work is definitely subjective since it can be difficult to see the true-to-life result in photos or video rather than in-person, with that said, if his patients are pleased then that’s great.

Will check out those links you have posted as well.

@VicTNYC,

I do understand your concerns. The way I look at it is, the clinic offers three packages and out of the three packages, the surgeon is directly involved by performing a part of only one of the procedures.    Because of this, this is the only procedure/package that we are considering for recommendation.   

For discussion purposes however, I am still honestly wrestling with whether or not how involved a surgeon is during the procedure should be a determining factor in recommendation.   Let’s consider the below.  

Typical Surgeon Involvement is 10%

95% of the surgeons we recommend only engage in and are hands-on in about 10% to 15% of the procedure. Typically, this includes the donor harvesting portion and creating recipient incisions. While these are crucial parts of the procedure, so is the implantation process, the dissection process during FUSS and insertation into pen implanters  if this tool is being used, etc.    frankly, most surgeons only pop in the room once every couple hours during the implantation process.   If a single technician is off their game on a particular day, the entire result will become messed up.  

How Much Does Surgeon Involvement Really Matter?

So if results matter the most, which I think we can all agree they do, does it really matter if the surgeon performs none of the procedure versus 10% of the procedure? Frankly, what difference would it really make? If the technicians don’t do their job, the whole procedure fails whether or not a surgeon does 10% or 0%. 

When Surgeon Involvement Really Becomes a Problem

Now, it would be different if the surgeon sat in the office for the entire procedure and literally did nothing and didn’t supervise/oversee the entire procedure.   It would also be a problem if the surgeon was working with in experienced technicians or delegated all of his patients to another unknown surgeon and wasn’t ultimately responsible for the end result. 

Dr. Cinik Oversees All Aspects Of All 3 Packages

In this case, Dr. Cinic  does oversees/supervise all three procedure types/packages and during one package/procedure, he performs 5% to 10% of it himself. Clearly this is not enough to affect the total outcome of the results one way or another. 

The Feel Good Factor

What really matters the most about surgeon involvement, is the “feel good“ factor.   Surgeon involvement ( unless they are entirely hands-on for 100% of the procedure)  really doesn’t impact the end result much. What it does, is make the patient feel good. 

Conclusion 

While I believe a certain level of surgeon involvement matters, at the end of the day, I genuinely believe that the end result matters most as long as -

* The surgeon/clinic  is transparent

* The surgeon/clinic follows the laws of the land related to surgery

* The surgeon/clinic provides their patients with enough information to make an informed decision

* The surgeon is overseeing/supervising the entire procedure.  

 Then, the rest is left up to the patient. Nobody is forcing any patient to go to any surgeon we recommends however, we believe that each surgeon we do recommend should meet our high standards and ultimately, the results driven. 

 

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My humble opinion:

I have not seen in this great forum more than 3-4 personal
 threads with the final result.
Is it enough?
(The other examples are from the clinic itself and just  before and after photos and I do not think it counts)

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@Raphael84,

 Thanks for posting and sharing your opinion. I happen to agree and ultimately, hair transplant surgery has always been a team effort. Surgeon involvement is a hot topic of debate not just with patients but also with leading hair transplant surgeons including many recommended by our community.   The question of how much surgeon involvement should be required to meet our standards has come up lately and do something that we are still wrestling with. For example, I personally like the surgeon to be involved in the procedure at least to some degree.  But honestly, when I was a newbie, I thought the surgeon performed the entire procedure while the technicians assisted only. I had no idea that the surgeon believe the room for so long while technicians  what do the vast majority of the procedure. This made me very uncomfortable until I saw that my results grew in and then everything was fine. 

 I soon learned that this was standard practice and became accustomed to it. 

The problem is, there are many black hat clinics who are doing highly unethical and possibly illegal things and surgeons recommended by our community are fighting against this -  and rightfully so. This community has joined the fight and offered to host any content they would like to provide regarding these deceptive marketing and clinical practices. 

 But, I think that in wrestling with these black hat clinics and deceptive practices, some may have gone a bit too far.  Somehow, surgeons who allow their technicians to do the vast majority of the procedure or even all of it have been lumped in with these unethical clinics  which just doesn’t seem right to me. 

To me, a black hat clinic is defined as 

* A surgeon or clinic who delegate patients to other surgeons or staff members that weren’t discussed or selected

*  A surgeon or clinic who engages in deceptive marketing practices 

* A surgeon or clinic who doesn’t provide all of the necessary information to the patient so that they can’t make an informed decision -  in other words, the clinic isn’t transparent  

*  A surgeon who claims they are hands-on but actually isn’t. 

*  A surgeon who sits in the office the entire time answering emails  without doing any or minimal supervision while their technicians do all the work 

But I don’t believe that Dr. Cinik  or the clinic engages in any of the above practices.    As a result, I feel confident considering the surgeon for potential recommendation.  

Best wishes,

Bill


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46 minutes ago, SOW said:

My humble opinion:

I have not seen in this great forum more than 3-4 personal
 threads with the final result.
Is it enough?
(The other examples are from the clinic itself and just  before and after photos and I do not think it counts)

We take in to consideration patient reviews and clinic results. While, yes patient reviews count more, clinic posted results still matter. As a patient, I want to see patient reviews and clinic results.


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 Everyone, 

I appreciate everyone’s honest opinions regarding the potential recommendation of Dr. Cinic.   At the end of the day, our high standards is what keeps this community and our recommendations credible and different from any other community.

 In addition to this discussion, we’ve been discussing the issue about surgeon involvement and the “no surgeon“ option and whether or not this practice should be accepted.   As I’ve posted above, there are clearly some varying opinions about this within the patient community and many surgeons who are well respected have some concerns about this as well. 

Therefore, I think it’s important that we err on the side of caution for now  and hold off proceeding with this doctors recommendation until we further discuss the issue and make a final conclusion on whether or not we should allow this practice to go on with recommended surgeons. 

So for now, we are going to hold off on this potential recommendation and we will discuss it at a future time  

Best wishes,

Bill


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33 minutes ago, Donjamo said:

I’m three months post procedure with Cinik and so far all is well.

 

That's exactly  the point you are only 3 months post op.. means nothing ..I looked at the realself website and that is a continuing theme a lot of the posters have not reached the 12 month mark so their  results cannot be judged .

I was the first poster to show concern about the recommendation of Dr Clinik and I have responded to a few of the other comments regarding this matter but have held back to see how the the thread would develop before I commented again .

Firstly it is an insult to our intelligence to put forward that you can separate Dr Clinik from other practices in his clinic i.e tech only procedure .. Dr Clinik is his clinic and the clinic is Dr Clinik I am amazed that Bill cannot see the problems that recommending  Dr Clinik would  have brought up .

I read a few of the posters on the realself website one of them described ..obviously English wasn't his first language ..where  he said how he was surprised   that normally  Dr Clinik made the holes to use his words but a tech did them but he wasn't  sure as he was under sedation ..now if you think some of the negative feedback regarding Asmed recently on this site is disturbing believe me the shit storm that would have happened if Dr Clinik had been recommended  in the next year or two would have made recent concerns with Asmed pale into insignificance .

It is worrying to say the least that a moderator on this site says that although he wouldn't be happy to go to a tech only clinic that he sees nothing intrinsically wrong with a tech carrying all aspects of a hair transplant as long as it is overseen by a doctor and is legal  .. it is not legal in Turkey for techs to do hair transplants it is a billion pound industry and a blind eye approach is taken ..do the moderators have proof that it is legal   surely a prerequisite before any recommendation is presented to the community .

I can quite understand why recommended Docs have show concern regarding this matter the idea that techs supervised or not can carry out hair  transplant surgery without any proof of training or education  etc ..must make them think why the hell am I paying good money to be on this site when a no name tech is elevated to the same level as a for example Hasson and Wong to name one ..the whole thing is just crazy .

The moderators have commented that Dr Clinik/ The Clinic have  been transparent about how the/they conduct  his/their business ..that doesn't make it OK in my opinion ..a Doctor has no business been recommended on this site who has tailored his procedure purely   for financial gain and not the patient's benefit and well being . 

I will finish by saying the one person who has come out well in this is Melvin the moderator, he has shown moral fortitude in my opinion ..and grasped  very quickly  the concerns and worries posters had ...and Ok caught in the middle he possibly had to hold back.. he is to be applauded .

  

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@Mick50,

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11 hours ago, Mick50 said:

That's exactly  the point you are only 3 months post op.. means nothing ..I looked at the realself website and that is a continuing theme a lot of the posters have not reached the 12 month mark so their  results cannot be judged .

I was the first poster to show concern about the recommendation of Dr Clinik and I have responded to a few of the other comments regarding this matter but have held back to see how the the thread would develop before I commented again .

Firstly it is an insult to our intelligence to put forward that you can separate Dr Clinik from other practices in his clinic i.e tech only procedure .. Dr Clinik is his clinic and the clinic is Dr Clinik I am amazed that Bill cannot see the problems that recommending  Dr Clinik would  have brought up .

I read a few of the posters on the realself website one of them described ..obviously English wasn't his first language ..where  he said how he was surprised   that normally  Dr Clinik made the holes to use his words but a tech did them but he wasn't  sure as he was under sedation ..now if you think some of the negative feedback regarding Asmed recently on this site is disturbing believe me the shit storm that would have happened if Dr Clinik had been recommended  in the next year or two would have made recent concerns with Asmed pale into insignificance .

It is worrying to say the least that a moderator on this site says that although he wouldn't be happy to go to a tech only clinic that he sees nothing intrinsically wrong with a tech carrying all aspects of a hair transplant as long as it is overseen by a doctor and is legal  .. it is not legal in Turkey for techs to do hair transplants it is a billion pound industry and a blind eye approach is taken ..do the moderators have proof that it is legal   surely a prerequisite before any recommendation is presented to the community .

I can quite understand why recommended Docs have show concern regarding this matter the idea that techs supervised or not can carry out hair  transplant surgery without any proof of training or education  etc ..must make them think why the hell am I paying good money to be on this site when a no name tech is elevated to the same level as a for example Hasson and Wong to name one ..the whole thing is just crazy .

The moderators have commented that Dr Clinik/ The Clinic have  been transparent about how the/they conduct  his/their business ..that doesn't make it OK in my opinion ..a Doctor has no business been recommended on this site who has tailored his procedure purely   for financial gain and not the patient's benefit and well being . 

I will finish by saying the one person who has come out well in this is Melvin the moderator, he has shown moral fortitude in my opinion ..and grasped  very quickly  the concerns and worries posters had ...and Ok caught in the middle he possibly had to hold back.. he is to be applauded .

  

You make some fair, valid and good points here Mick, that has swayed me to the ‘No’ approval side.

With that said, to Bill’s credit he has listened to the opinions and nixed any approval for recommendation I believe.

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I am very happy with my result and I  highly recommend Dr. Cinik.

He has transformed me from this :

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to this

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5 hours ago, alex79 said:

I am very happy with my result and I  highly recommend Dr. Cinik.

He has transformed me from this :

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to this

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You looked happier when you was bald.😀

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