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Yes, a real dilemma except my HT was soooo good, I doubt it will ever be the reason I am without a woman .  I am not a young man (65) but since my HT been told I look 50, so being alone will be my choice.  My Doc is one of the top Docs mentioned and highlighted in this post !

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i've never had an issue with fin. maybe some tiredness every now and then, but i also don't live the highest quality of life, and my job can be extremely stressful, so it could be that. but libido doesn't seem to be affected, and performance level is fine.

also keep in mind, as i don't believe this was addressed, but the older you get, the less frequently you're going to want to have sex all the time. is it really fin? or have you just gotten older. not saying thats the case for everyone, but it's definitely a drug that affects everyone differently. 

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Everyone I speak to or who ever posts on this forum and other forums...there are barely a few people who Do NOT have side effects. Rest all, including me, do have sides. 

I was taking 1mg every day...now every other day ie 4 times a week. Also started Lipogaine  shampoo and Minox and will try to get off Fin gradually. If you're single and on the dating scene...man it sucks to be that person. I feel for you guys.

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7 hours ago, redlord said:

Im taking 1.25 mg (splitting 5mg in four) but recently Ive started blaming everything on fin, if im freling tired or sleepy or just not feeling good, i think it may be fin. So i was thinking about taking it three times a day onstead of daily. Do you have any advice for that?

There's data suggesting that 0.25mg of finasteride has similar efficacy and effect on DHT levels to 1mg, I'd get get the 1mg tablet and quarter it to see if that makes a difference.  The peak effect of the drug in your body won't change whether you take it daily, every 2, 3 etc so I suspect that won't change any issues you might have. Little good data on this though its mostly trial and error and hearsay.

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5 hours ago, baldlivesmatter said:

So the choices are:

1. Take Fin = Get the girl, unable to perform, girl leaves, die alone

2. Don't take Fin = Lose hair, be ignored by the opposite sex, die alone

A real Sophie's choice...

 

Third choice get drunk & die alone

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Im taking 1.25 mg (splitting 5mg in four) but recently Ive started blaming everything on fin, if im freling tired or sleepy or just not feeling good, i think it may be fin. 

 

I know you're trying to be snarky, but instead of "blaming everything on Fin" people on this sub are doing exactly the opposite. They're denying and minimizing the sides in order to justify keep taking it.

Anyway, trying to convince someone in denial is pointless. At least I hope that if anyone considering taking Fin reads about this, then he's more informed.

All I can say is that the gains on libido and quality of erections are increasing daily since I've stopped with the Fin.

 

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Propecia is  an unpredictable drug.

 

You can take it for years with no side affects & then they can start. 

 

Just because you are taking it for years without problems doesn't mean you are safe from side affects. 

The first side I got was waking up during most nights having to go the toilet & unpleasant dreams. 

 

This was after 1.5 years on the drug.  Sex drive was 100% until 2 years in the drug then I went off them.

Most people probably don't report side affects because there is nothing you can do just stop taking it & them be patient & live healty to recover.

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12 hours ago, hairman22 said:

Propecia is  an unpredictable drug.

 

You can take it for years with no side affects & then they can start. 

 

Just because you are taking it for years without problems doesn't mean you are safe from side affects. 

The first side I got was waking up during most nights having to go the toilet & unpleasant dreams. 

 

This was after 1.5 years on the drug.  Sex drive was 100% until 2 years in the drug then I went off them.

Most people probably don't report side affects because there is nothing you can do just stop taking it & them be patient & live healty to recover.

Lol i’m sorry but this is the dumbest side effect I’ve read about finasteride. “the first side i got was waking up during most nights and having unpleasant dreams. this was 1.5 years on the drug”

what scientific evidence do you have that shows this was a “side effect” of the finasteride you were taking? if you told this to your doctor I’m sure he would laugh. Are you kidding me?

I love when people post “side effects” that are no where even close to being listed as potential side effects.

Broader question to everyone claiming “side effects” from finasteride: what data or scientific evidence do you have to support your claim that what you were experiencing was due to the finasteride? I’m genuinely curious. Most of the time I think it’s in people’s heads. Did what you were experiencing match what it said online as potential side effects? how did you narrow it down to the culprit finasteride? what if you were just in a funk. what if it’s something else with your body. 

 

bad dreams on finasteride. man oh man I gotta add that one to the arsenal lol

If you claim side effects other than what is listed here you are completely paranoid and frauding.

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37 minutes ago, hairlossPA said:

Lol i’m sorry but this is the dumbest side effect I’ve read about finasteride. “the first side i got was waking up during most nights and having unpleasant dreams. this was 1.5 years on the drug”

what scientific evidence do you have that shows this was a “side effect” of the finasteride you were taking? if you told this to your doctor I’m sure he would laugh. Are you kidding me?

I love when people post “side effects” that are no where even close to being listed as potential side effects.

Broader question to everyone claiming “side effects” from finasteride: what data or scientific evidence do you have to support your claim that what you were experiencing was due to the finasteride? I’m genuinely curious. Most of the time I think it’s in people’s heads. Did what you were experiencing match what it said online as potential side effects? how did you narrow it down to the culprit finasteride? what if you were just in a funk. what if it’s something else with your body. 

 

bad dreams on finasteride. man oh man I gotta add that one to the arsenal lol

If you claim side effects other than what is listed here you are completely paranoid and frauding.

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Here ya go. The mechanism certainly exists. Luckily for most it doesn't end up being an issue. 

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5 minutes ago, vboteju said:

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Here ya go. The mechanism certainly exists. Luckily for most it doesn't end up being an issue. 

care to explain? what side effect are you clarifying? also- a screenshot without a source is as good as nothing. are you saying seizures are a side effect of finasteride?

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5 minutes ago, hairlossPA said:

care to explain? what side effect are you clarifying? also- a screenshot without a source is as good as nothing. are you saying seizures are a side effect of finasteride?

So 5ar metabolizes cortisol. If you block 5ar, cortisol increases. Increased cortisol causes sleep disturbances. For most people, this is not an issue. Some people cannot handle the disturbances/fluctuations in hormonal levels which leads to the sides. 

I am not saying Fin causes seizures. 

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At the end of the day, finasteride helps many guys out there. But side effects can and do occur. It is a very personal choice. I’ve had three transplants without finasteride. I’ve been one of the unlucky to suffer side effects. Now I’m not saying that I’m the majority, actually I’m a minority.

However, people react differently to chemicals, the list of potential side effects for tylenol is long. Doesn’t mean most of those side effects will occur, but they can and have. Let’s be mindful of that. 


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On 2/6/2019 at 3:38 PM, baldlivesmatter said:

So the choices are:

1. Take Fin = Get the girl, unable to perform, girl leaves, die alone

2. Don't take Fin = Lose hair, be ignored by the opposite sex, die alone

A real Sophie's choice...

 

Actually HIMS hooks you up with finasteride and viagra so number 1 can be resolved. Coincidence 🤷🏻‍♂️

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2 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Actually HIMS hooks you up with finasteride and viagra so number 1 can be resolved. Coincidence 🤷🏻‍♂️

LOL!

I know you're making a joke, but it's got me thinking--for those norwoods who do have sides on finasteride, why not just take viagra?

Obviously not ideal, but keeping your hair and sex life seems like the optimal solution. If that requires 2 pills rather than just 1 does it matter a whole lot?

Easy for me to say with a fully working crank (knock on wood), but doesn't seem like a bad situation considering the alternative is looking like this fucker:

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It seems to me that the fin studies understate the incidence and degree of side effects. Obviously this is just my speculative impression, but many posters on this forum mention some degree of side effects, and a great deal of them aren’t just the super vocal anti-finasteride types. Additionally, the fin studies relied on patient self-reporting, so there is a potential bias there (ie study subjects not recognizing or acknowledging side effects). 

When I went on fin I had read all of the data and fully expected to be side effect free. Unfortunately that wasn’t the case. I’ve been off for over a year and I still haven’t fully bounced back to where I was before I started fin. Could natural aging processes be playing a role? I suppose, but doesn’t seem to explain it entirely as it’s only been a couple of years. In my case, I experienced physical discomfort (genital pain/aching) in addition to sexual effects, which in my mind absolutely confirms that the side effects were not entirely mental or psychological. Of note, I tried a few different dosing amounts (including 0.25 mg EOD) and schedules but the SEs persisted. 

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2 hours ago, baldlivesmatter said:

LOL!

I know you're making a joke, but it's got me thinking--for those norwoods who do have sides on finasteride, why not just take viagra?

Obviously not ideal, but keeping your hair and sex life seems like the optimal solution. If that requires 2 pills rather than just 1 does it matter a whole lot?

Easy for me to say with a fully working crank (knock on wood), but doesn't seem like a bad situation considering the alternative is looking like this fucker:

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I gotta say...the fact that Willy hasn’t done anything regarding his baldness as far as I’ve read, is interesting, I mean he has the money and resources to go to the best Dr and improve his appearance but it seeems like he doesn’t give a flying fuck, even tho he is mercilessly mocked by the UK media and especially his also-balding bro...is somewhat ballsy of him.

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7 hours ago, hairlossPA said:

Lol i’m sorry but this is the dumbest side effect I’ve read about finasteride. “the first side i got was waking up during most nights and having unpleasant dreams. this was 1.5 years on the drug”

what scientific evidence do you have that shows this was a “side effect” of the finasteride you were taking? if you told this to your doctor I’m sure he would laugh. Are you kidding me?

I love when people post “side effects” that are no where even close to being listed as potential side effects.

Broader question to everyone claiming “side effects” from finasteride: what data or scientific evidence do you have to support your claim that what you were experiencing was due to the finasteride? I’m genuinely curious. Most of the time I think it’s in people’s heads. Did what you were experiencing match what it said online as potential side effects? how did you narrow it down to the culprit finasteride? what if you were just in a funk. what if it’s something else with your body. 

 

bad dreams on finasteride. man oh man I gotta add that one to the arsenal lol

If you claim side effects other than what is listed here you are completely paranoid and frauding.

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Not sure what is so funny.

Mocking someone over a side affect they received so you feel better about taking the drug is poor.

Sleep disturbance is a pretty common side affect. Mentioned by many people who suffered side affects.It can mess up your cortisol which can interfere with sleep. 

Also I wasn't anyway nervous about taking the drug so none of this is in my head.

The side affect list doesn't even mention gyno which is quite common but I did not get that thank god.

I thought before I took that most of the side affects where made up.

But I was wrong it can completely destroy people's lives. Luckily I am recovering well now off the drug but it has taken 1.5 years.

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6 hours ago, yesplease said:

It seems to me that the fin studies understate the incidence and degree of side effects. Obviously this is just my speculative impression, but many posters on this forum mention some degree of side effects, and a great deal of them aren’t just the super vocal anti-finasteride types. Additionally, the fin studies relied on patient self-reporting, so there is a potential bias there (ie study subjects not recognizing or acknowledging side effects). 

When I went on fin I had read all of the data and fully expected to be side effect free. Unfortunately that wasn’t the case. I’ve been off for over a year and I still haven’t fully bounced back to where I was before I started fin. Could natural aging processes be playing a role? I suppose, but doesn’t seem to explain it entirely as it’s only been a couple of years. In my case, I experienced physical discomfort (genital pain/aching) in addition to sexual effects, which in my mind absolutely confirms that the side effects were not entirely mental or psychological. Of note, I tried a few different dosing amounts (including 0.25 mg EOD) and schedules but the SEs persisted. 

just playing devils advocate here, but aren’t most, if not all, studies FDA related relied on by patient self reporting...?

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Price William/Jeff Bezos/Statham have all the money and still don't try to get an HT. I'm glad for people who embrace their baldness. Easy for people with deep pockets since women are attracted anyway.

The problem is being an average joe and balding, that's where girls seem to avoid you for being "old". Having to decide between hair/looks and sex life is a very bad situation to be in. I hope hair cloning comes soon :)

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12 hours ago, baldlivesmatter said:

LOL!

I know you're making a joke, but it's got me thinking--for those norwoods who do have sides on finasteride, why not just take viagra?

Obviously not ideal, but keeping your hair and sex life seems like the optimal solution. If that requires 2 pills rather than just 1 does it matter a whole lot?

Easy for me to say with a fully working crank (knock on wood), but doesn't seem like a bad situation considering the alternative is looking like this fucker:

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I've thought about it, but I just don't want to depend on a pill. I mean it's also not worth it for me personally, since 90% of the hair on my head is transplanted. But for those 20 year old with a full head of hair to lose, I think it would be something to look in to. While not ideal, definitely better than going bald or being impotent. Two birds with one stone so to speak.

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5 hours ago, hairlossPA said:

just playing devils advocate here, but aren’t most, if not all, studies FDA related relied on by patient self reporting...?

No, not necessarily. Many medication side effects are easily measured or observed - rash, swelling/edema, weight loss/gain, changes in various blood tests (electrolytes, glucose, cholesterol, etc), changes in heart rhythm, blood pressure, etc

what I meant re fin is that the sexual side effects are not readily observable or quantifiable to those conducting the study. They have to be self-reported by the subject/patient. 

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Not to keeping going back and forth, but it would be a very interesting question to put forth to the 34,489 registered members of this forum. I’m a data driven guy. Obviously we wouldn’t get 100% participation in the poll but I’d like to see in a poll something along the lines of:

In your opinion, have you experienced side effects from finasteride?

a) yes

b) no

c) have not tried finasteride

 

Would love to see those results 

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Here are my thoughts on the subject.....

I've had 7 procedures.  4 FUT and 3 small FUE.  I started in 1999.  I started Propecia back then and I am still on it.  What is that, 30 yrs?

Most believe that there is more testosterone while on the medication.  Why do patients experience side effects? Beyond me.  I think, that once the body realizes that there temporarily more testosterone, it will eventually balance everything out.  

I've had the opportunity to assist the ISHRS show a number of times.  It seems that more and more negative info comes up every year....only to find out a few months later, that new studies show that anything previously discussed was non-sense.  Consider that Proscar, (5 mg), the parent medication, is used to address prostate cancer.  Millions take this medication.  Have you heard anything negative about it? Consider that Propecia/Finasteride is 1mg

Regardless of what is said, I think of the medication as a positive - and that's what's been for me.  Positive.  If you start thinking negative, guess what, it will also give you a side effect. I plan taking the medication for the rest of my life.  I value the little hair I have.  It has served me well.  

Don't get me wrong.  There can be side effects.  I've seen them.  But without reservation I can say that ALL the patients I've seen experiencing one thing or another started the med under the impression that they would eventually experience a negative side effect.

Lastly, the internet.  Awesome source of info, but be careful.  Lots of mis-information.  How many times I have seen patients that were taking Propecia/Finasteride for years.  Halted to loss.  Read negative info on the internet and stopped the med.  They eventually loss the benefit and resumed their loss.  First, who wrote it? What was the side effect?  

Please consult your doctor and get educated! And, if you decide to move forward, always know that you have the option to stop if you do experience something- which will happen right away.  This is not a medication that you will take for 10 years and then, all of the sudden, start experiencing a side effect.  

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