Dr Bhatti Vs Eugenix

[Torip]

Harin, 

I am quoting my personal experience. I called up Eugenix and enquired about their pricing. My comments are based on data and not hypothetical. Though I have no idea on different pricing for foreigners and Indians. I am having a genuine conversation here..relevant to the topic. Unlike you I am a regular hair seeker, with an unbiased view. I don't understand why you find faults with my post. 

Edited April 20, 2019 by Torip

[Melvin- Admin]

Guys,

This topic is becoming toxic. We certainly don’t want to pit two good clinics against eachother. The truth is, both clinics produce great results and both are reasonably priced in terms of the results they produce. I don’t want this to become a mud slinging thread. Discussion is healthy, let’s keep this topic civil and healthy. Both are awesome clinics in my opinion.

[Melvin- Admin]

On 4/17/2019 at 3:31 AM, Mick50 said:

I have to say I voted for Eugenix to be considered for recommendation on this site. At that point I thought it was the 2 main Doctors who were doing the surgery i.e Dr Bansal and Dr Sethi ,I didn't realise there were other Docs doing the surgery under the Eugenix name even in different clinics, I certainly would have wanted clarification on this before I voted for them to be recommended on this site .

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Also there needs to clarification on there pricing structure as as I was quoted nearly twice the price as someone I had private messaged on here who had been to them. If they charge a different price for foreigners they need to up front about it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 4/17/2019 at 3:07 PM, Lennney said:

@Mick50

You hit the nail on the head. This form [in my humble opinion] should recommend surgeons, not an umbrella group. There's a reason some franchise stores do better than others (regardless of industry), it's the people who work there. If you don't know the quality of the work there [in that particular clinic/doctor], you cant, in good conscience, recommend it. I think this forum needs more specificity on Eugenix.

I believe that there are some odd behaviors coming from Eugenix. I understand completely wanting to defend your HT clinic, but it seems that every time I see @Ashishmehta chime in on something, it's promo for his clinic. Very little contribution apart from that. I too get bad "vibes".

I think it's tacky AF to be so tied to your clinic. I recognize the skill of other surgeons as well as other member's unique positions that make them favor one doc over the others.

When you become a zealot for your clinic, you loose all credibility in my eyes. This forum is to help others get information, and make an informed decision THEMSELVES. 

I'd love to see more Eugenix  recipients post ALL Eugenix HTs, with docs mentioned up front. Information is good for all parties.

OPINION*** The one part I think I'm taking crazy pills for: why the fuck would any business name themselves Eugenix?  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

It's literally what humanity used to sterilize and kill "undesirable" people. Holy fuck. This is what Nazis used as basis for their bastardization of Nietzsche for Ubermensch, and the Holocaust of Jews, gypsies, gays, cripples and other "lesser people".

I'm not a business owner, but that name seems like it should have gone through some workshop to tweak.

 

Sorry, on mobile, was going to link you to the top of this section [but can't format now...]. You raised good points:
@TaranAdarsh

Guys,

We do not and will not ever recommend clinics. We only recommend surgeons, we do not recommend Eugenix we recommend Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal. Both of you are putting out misinformation. If you go on our recommendations you will see the two surgeons and none other.

[Gabreille Nelson Mukhia]

Having read the above notes, I would like to say that I respect all the mentioned Doctors and their transparency in the field of hair transplantation. They are known doctors with hundreds of patients.

Now the real quacks that we should be careful about are out there getting procedures done for unsuspecting people and ruining their lives. It is shocking but you will find dentists performing hair transplantation. 

For all the hard work that all the genuine doctors have done, there are 100 quacks who cheat people. 

I think no doctor would want to ruin the results of their own patients. Let's just hope that all the doctors and patients can have good results and a healthy procedure.

[Mick50]

2 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

 

Guys,

We do not and will not ever recommend clinics. We only recommend surgeons, we do not recommend Eugenix we recommend Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal. Both of you are putting out misinformation. If you go on our recommendations you will see the two surgeons and none other.

Cool ..my mistake ...

[Lennney]

3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

 

Guys,

We do not and will not ever recommend clinics. We only recommend surgeons, we do not recommend Eugenix we recommend Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal. Both of you are putting out misinformation. If you go on our recommendations you will see the two surgeons and none other.

@Melvin-Moderator

Thanks for clarifying, I checked the recommendation page, and it listed name of the surgeon, their profile, the address(es), and the clinic. I mistakenly thought clinics were recommended, but it's the doctor and the clinic(s) they work at. It's an important distinction, and is very transparent. Thank you.

[harin]

12 hours ago, Torip said:

Harin, 

I am quoting my personal experience. I called up Eugenix and enquired about their pricing. My comments are based on data and not hypothetical. Though I have no idea on different pricing for foreigners and Indians. I am having a genuine conversation here..relevant to the topic. Unlike you I am a regular hair seeker, with an unbiased view. I don't understand why you find faults with my post. 

I am not bashing your post, you are entitled to your opinion as long as it is based on facts, if you have any e-mail exchanges with the clinic which shows that prices are double to that of Dr. Bhatti then please present it here. I myself will take Eugenix to task if that is the case, it is simply not true in my own experience. I am simply trying to set records straight if there are any incorrect suggestions in above posts (not just yours). Again, if you have documentation to prove that Eugenix is twice as expensive then please share, I will ask Dr. Sethi to explain the same.  Now some other posts have called genuine patients as agents of Eugenix, even in my case I am a physician working here in US and earn amongst the  top 1% of this country, i do not need to live on anyone's commissions and expense. I simply am a happy patient who is overjoyed by results given to me by such expert and dedicated HT specialists like Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika. I am happy to share my experience anytime someone asks for it, only intention being that I want those patient's to have same or similar results like mine, if few lives are made happy and content by this..... then my real duty as a physician in pointing a patient in right direction is accomplished. That is just the essence of being a healer for me.

Again I agree with @Melvin-Moderator, no need for more toxicity here. I do respect all recommended clinics here, if those doctors who rejected me for HT may have done so due to their own experience or wisdom. (I am not a HT expert), I respect that and I moved on, without bashing them ever (but documenting that a high HT like me has limited number of surgeons who are confident enough to take up my case and achieve such results...... which is fine).

Good luck to everyone in their search, lets keep the discussion civil without unjust insinuations.

Edited April 20, 2019 by harin

[Torip]

Harin, 

With Dr. Bhatti you could get a surgery for about $0.85 = INR 59 per FU. I was told by Eugenix that their pricing for surgeries performed by Dr. Sethi,  it is INR Rs.120 = $ 1.73 per FU. Isn’t that twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti? And also there is 18% tax on these charges. So that makes Dr. Sethi's price to be  about $2 per FU.  Please speak to Eugenix and ask whether that is not what they are quoting. I would really appreciate it if you could influence Eugenix to lower their prices...and bring down their prices to affordable level of Indians.

Edited April 21, 2019 by Torip

[AltonMeyer]

46 minutes ago, Torip said:

Harin, 

With Dr. Bhatti you could get a surgery for about $0.85 = INR 59 per FU. I was told by Eugenix that their pricing for surgeries performed by Dr. Sethi,  it is INR Rs.120 = $ 1.73 per FU. Isn’t that twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti? And also there is 18% tax on these charges. So that makes Dr. Sethi's price to be  about $2 per FU.  Please speak to Eugenix and ask whether that is not what they are quoting. I would really appreciate it if you could influence Eugenix to lower their prices...and bring down their prices to affordable level of Indians.

Well this is a little weird. I've consulted with them too and they told me they don't charge per graft. 

When did you consult with them Torip? 

[Mick50]

14 hours ago, harin said:

I am not bashing your post, you are entitled to your opinion as long as it is based on facts, if you have any e-mail exchanges with the clinic which shows that prices are double to that of Dr. Bhatti then please present it here. I myself will take Eugenix to task if that is the case, it is simply not true in my own experience. I am simply trying to set records straight if there are any incorrect suggestions in above posts (not just yours). Again, if you have documentation to prove that Eugenix is twice as expensive then please share, I will ask Dr. Sethi to explain the same.  Now some other posts have called genuine patients as agents of Eugenix, even in my case I am a physician working here in US and earn amongst the  top 1% of this country, i do not need to live on anyone's commissions and expense. I simply am a happy patient who is overjoyed by results given to me by such expert and dedicated HT specialists like Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika. I am happy to share my experience anytime someone asks for it, only intention being that I want those patient's to have same or similar results like mine, if few lives are made happy and content by this..... then my real duty as a physician in pointing a patient in right direction is accomplished. That is just the essence of being a healer for me.

Again I agree with @Melvin-Moderator, no need for more toxicity here. I do respect all recommended clinics here, if those doctors who rejected me for HT may have done so due to their own experience or wisdom. (I am not a HT expert), I respect that and I moved on, without bashing them ever (but documenting that a high HT like me has limited number of surgeons who are confident enough to take up my case and achieve such results...... which is fine).

Good luck to everyone in their search, lets keep the discussion civil without unjust insinuations.

I was given a price of 150 INR per graft by Eugenix . just over 2 dollars a graft I think, I was told it was more expensive because it would have been my second transplant, which I found strange as I am not a repair case ,just wanted to address the crown area.  

Edited April 21, 2019 by Mick50

[HLPToronto]

19 hours ago, harin said:

if you have any e-mail exchanges with the clinic which shows that prices are double to that of Dr. Bhatti then please present it here

Harin, I was quoted almost double than Dr. Bhatti. I have email exchanges.

Moreover, when I specifically asked for Pre and post op medicines, they said they don't give any pre op medicine and I'll have to buy my own post op medicines.  

 4000 to 5000 grafts - Eugenix quoted me  ( the window was large as well ) 

Dr. Bhatti quoted me almost half and 3500 Grafts ( In the end, I got 3300 done  - this is called fair assessment ) 

I wrote my detailed thread with some positives/negatives to help future potential patients.... you can have a read ! and yes, it is based on facts ( that I researched first hand ) 

[Melvin- Admin]

3 minutes ago, HLPToronto said:

Harin, I was quoted almost double than Dr. Bhatti. I have email exchanges.

Moreover, when I specifically asked for Pre and post op medicines, they said they don't give any pre op medicine and I'll have to buy my own post op medicines.  

 4000 to 5000 grafts - Eugenix quoted me  ( the window was large as well ) 

Dr. Bhatti quoted me almost half and 3500 Grafts ( In the end, I got 3300 done  - this is called fair assessment ) 

I wrote my detailed thread with some positives/negatives to help future potential patients.... you can have a read ! and yes, it is based on facts ( that I researched first hand ) 

Are you a patient of Dr. Bhatti? You have thread of your transplant?

[HLPToronto]

3 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Are you a patient of Dr. Bhatti? You have thread of your transplant?

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/53594-3500-fue-grafts-–-scheduled-with-dr-bhatti-darling-buds-on-18th-march-2019/

Hi Melvin, 

You've contributed on my thread and provided some good guidance also...  Here is the link

[harin]

7 hours ago, Torip said:

Harin, 

With Dr. Bhatti you could get a surgery for about $0.85 = INR 59 per FU. I was told by Eugenix that their pricing for surgeries performed by Dr. Sethi,  it is INR Rs.120 = $ 1.73 per FU. Isn’t that twice as expensive as Dr. Bhatti? And also there is 18% tax on these charges. So that makes Dr. Sethi's price to be  about $2 per FU.  Please speak to Eugenix and ask whether that is not what they are quoting. I would really appreciate it if you could influence Eugenix to lower their prices...and bring down their prices to affordable level of Indians.

Isn't it a bit misinforming that you quote the price without actually quoting the restrictions within the quote?, here is the link to Darling buds.

https://darlingbuds.com/hair-transplant-cost

Max wait for 0.87$ is approximately 15 days, if you want the date of your choice then it is 1.5$ which is approximately 105 rupees. How is that the double by Eugenix?. As far as I understand Eugenix will have lower prices depending upon the involvement of Dr. Pradeep and Dr. Arika, I will message them to review this post and post here when their website is updated with price listings.

 

[harin]

32 minutes ago, HLPToronto said:

Harin, I was quoted almost double than Dr. Bhatti. I have email exchanges.

Moreover, when I specifically asked for Pre and post op medicines, they said they don't give any pre op medicine and I'll have to buy my own post op medicines.  

 4000 to 5000 grafts - Eugenix quoted me  ( the window was large as well ) 

Dr. Bhatti quoted me almost half and 3500 Grafts ( In the end, I got 3300 done  - this is called fair assessment ) 

I wrote my detailed thread with some positives/negatives to help future potential patients.... you can have a read ! and yes, it is based on facts ( that I researched first hand ) 

Good to know, then present it here, provided you are comparing apples to apples then either Eugenix will have to provide answer why it is charging double then!, sometimes it might be worth paying the premium, specially if you are a high Norwood person. I am glad you had your HT with Dr. Bhatti, whom i respect a lot, I hope and pray for your excellent growth.

[Melvin- Admin]

38 minutes ago, HLPToronto said:

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/53594-3500-fue-grafts-–-scheduled-with-dr-bhatti-darling-buds-on-18th-march-2019/

Hi Melvin, 

You've contributed on my thread and provided some good guidance also...  Here is the link

Thanks for posting your journey 🙏🏼 I will follow your progress. 

[HLPToronto]

2 hours ago, harin said:

Good to know, then present it here, provided you are comparing apples to apples then either Eugenix will have to provide answer why it is charging double then!, sometimes it might be worth paying the premium, specially if you are a high Norwood person. I am glad you had your HT with Dr. Bhatti, whom i respect a lot, I hope and pray for your excellent growth.

Thanks Harin !

I assumed at that time ( which still stands true in my opinion) that DHT is cumbersome process/slightly more expensive than traditional FUE. Additionally, Eugenix was offeing 2 day/night free stay and 3 meals a day for both days.... so it kinda made sense why they were expensive..... 

I asked them actually if they offer FUE and DHT both and is this why my quote is more than 100 Rs per graft ( I researched and 100 Rs per graft counts as one of the most expensive rate for Indian market ) 

their answer ( i mean patient rep; satakshi wasn't clear ) this made me proceed with Dr Bhatti instead 

But I do have great regard for all top notch surgeons, especially those which are recommended here on this site and all over India, only 7 surgeons are .... so we can easily pick and choose as per our heart beats  my gut pushed me towards Dr Bhatti and until now, I dont have any regrets... seems like I was in great hands, one of the best pre/post op care and very good staff as well !  I am only waiting for results to speak more !

[HLPToronto]

2 hours ago, harin said:

Good to know, then present it here, provided you are comparing apples to apples 

https://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/topic/53594-3500-fue-grafts-–-scheduled-with-dr-bhatti-darling-buds-on-18th-march-2019/

FYI - Please review my thread for detailed info ( its long so whenever you have a few minutes

[harin]

2 hours ago, HLPToronto said:

Thanks Harin !

I assumed at that time ( which still stands true in my opinion) that DHT is cumbersome process/slightly more expensive than traditional FUE. Additionally, Eugenix was offeing 2 day/night free stay and 3 meals a day for both days.... so it kinda made sense why they were expensive..... 

I asked them actually if they offer FUE and DHT both and is this why my quote is more than 100 Rs per graft ( I researched and 100 Rs per graft counts as one of the most expensive rate for Indian market ) 

their answer ( i mean patient rep; satakshi wasn't clear ) this made me proceed with Dr Bhatti instead 

But I do have great regard for all top notch surgeons, especially those which are recommended here on this site and all over India, only 7 surgeons are .... so we can easily pick and choose as per our heart beats  my gut pushed me towards Dr Bhatti and until now, I dont have any regrets... seems like I was in great hands, one of the best pre/post op care and very good staff as well !  I am only waiting for results to speak more !

Yes, they provide 2 nights free stay if you book their package and also pick up from the airport as well as drop off....in short end to end service. DHT slight;ly differs in for the fact that slits are made first then grafts are harvested and immediately implanted. In transplant terms (solid organ) we call it as ''Cold ischemic Time''....lower the cold ischemic time..less grafts are lost. (same is true in solid organ trans plants eg: more than 4 hours of cold ischemic time for transplanted hearts increases the rate of rejection).

This is also the reason that grafts grow faster with DHT...., at least most of mine grew by 6-7 months time.

I hope your results turn out great, praying for your results. Good luck.

[youngheart]

I am grade 4 and currently deciding between Dr Bhatti and Dr Sethi. 

Dr Bhatti has clear pricing on website and Dr Sethi doesnt.

Can anyone please post cost per graft from back of head for Dr Sethi. Its a simple question so please post an answer for what is asked. I dont require any marketing people to write a long story here. Just post the price please.

Thank you

[Melvin- Admin]

4 hours ago, youngheart said:

I am grade 4 and currently deciding between Dr Bhatti and Dr Sethi. 

Dr Bhatti has clear pricing on website and Dr Sethi doesnt.

Can anyone please post cost per graft from back of head for Dr Sethi. Its a simple question so please post an answer for what is asked. I dont require any marketing people to write a long story here. Just post the price please.

Thank you

Please go on our site for a virtual consultation. A price quote shall be given directly to you.

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/physician/India/Pradeep-Sethi/687

[youngheart]

19 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Please go on our site for a virtual consultation. A price quote shall be given directly to you.

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/physician/India/Pradeep-Sethi/687

Not being rude mate but why cannot patients post the price here. Is the quote different for people depending on their nationality? An Indian got a different price and a person from Europe was being charged different. Dr Bhatti has the price on the website so please if anyone can let know how much Dr Sethi charges per graft. Thanks

[Melvin- Admin]

55 minutes ago, youngheart said:

Not being rude mate but why cannot patients post the price here. Is the quote different for people depending on their nationality? An Indian got a different price and a person from Europe was being charged different. Dr Bhatti has the price on the website so please if anyone can let know how much Dr Sethi charges per graft. Thanks

The price is different depending on the severity of your hair loss and how many grafts you need. 

We’ve had a lot of trolls come one here and try to unfairly malign Dr. Sethi and Dr. Bansal. The price is easy to get, but it seems you’re just here to stir the pot and create problems. If that’s your goal then you came to the wrong place.

[Torip]

On 4/25/2019 at 8:41 PM, youngheart said:

Not being rude mate but why cannot patients post the price here. Is the quote different for people depending on their nationality? An Indian got a different price and a person from Europe was being charged different. Dr Bhatti has the price on the website so please if anyone can let know how much Dr Sethi charges per graft. Thanks

Young heart...as I said before pay scales in India are about 1/4th of the US or European countries. So I wouldn't complain if Dr. Sethi charges little lesser for Indians.  With the US pricing standards, no Indian would be able to afford a HT. After all, non-Indians are showing interest only after seeing several HT cases of Indians. With high pricing none of those people would have gone to Eguenix and you wouldn't have had any data to judge Dr. Sethi. So I don't think it is fair to fault Eugenix on their pricing practices.

However, I am still not okay with their price being twice that of the lowest price Dr. Bhatti offers. I  believe such high prices are not justified, regardless of whether they do DHT. It  makes me feel like Martin Shkreli's case, where pharma companies with patents could get away with charging whatever they want. Similarly in this case after showing some good results, I feel that surgeons think they could charge whatever they want.   

 

[ahmedabad_guy]

I have just had my transplant 3 days ago with dr Pradeep Sethi. I can confirm that they don’t have two different pricing structure for Indians and non Indians. They do offer different packages depending on which doctor you choose for your surgery. They will be publishing price on their website in next few days.