Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 1, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2018 Hey guys , so I just got done with my surgery with h&w .. n their pre-ol instructions is to not spray anything or do anything to the grafts for the first 5 days , let the grafts air dry n heal naturally .. after that I can start shampooing the grafts and getting rid of the crusts .. this contracdicts a lot of what I read online and also other clinics recommendations .. they seem to say spray the grafts with saline/water every hour for the first two days and gently shower every to soften the crusts .. what is the truth ? N the better post op care ? What did u guys do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted December 1, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 1, 2018 Follow their instructions. Dr. Diep does not tell his patients to spray the grafts either. I didn't use any saline sprays or ATP sprays and I turned out just fine. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted December 1, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 1, 2018 btw congrats I hope you can post some pictures happy growing man. I know that you'll get an excellent result. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 1, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2018 Okay thanks Melvin that’s good to know.. I won’t be spraying anything on it then. .. let it heal naturally .. — also , if anyone can give me an idea of what is the average micron of a good / average or bad diameter of the hair shaft ? hasson told me my donor is good quality at 80 micron .. my top was around 60-70 micron ., my thinning hairline was at 40 micron .. what were your guys hair diameter? N I also appreciated Doctor Hasson took the time to measure this for me .. after 4 consults with different doctors and two dermatologist at kaiser .. none of them was able to measure this for me ..guess they don’t have the densitometer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted December 1, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 1, 2018 80 micron is thick hair almost like a broom lol. I haven't gotten mine checked, but I'd say I'm medium thickness probably like 60 micron. I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonelyGraft Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Wow u did it very soon bro. Seemed like u were talking about it very recently. Are you going to make a thread explaining your surgery, grafts, etc? 80 micron is very thick from my understanding. Id follow their instructions. They’ve been doing it for years so they know what to expect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 1, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2018 (edited) Wow thanks , didn’t know 80 was above average micron .. I’m happy about that.. I was reading online hair caliber ranges from 40-120.. Indian people probably got 120 microns .. they got some thick hair .. or young adults or people not suffering from mpb.. my hairline was at 40 microns, it was so weak n thin it was on its way out . Getting my micron check throughout my scalp gave me some indication of where I be future balding .. so instead of feeling deprrsssed I’m going to be bald one day , I have a clear gameplan now .. instead of just waiting for the call to drop one day .. I advise others to get their hair diameter micron checked if u can . hey JJ n melvin .. I wasn’t going to post about my surgery .. but since I always encourage others to post theirs , it be hypocritical of me not to .. so I probably will in a couple days .. got me some good pics pre-op n post/op pics .. should be really helpful . .. also , if trixglendon post his progress also , since he got surgery on same day as me .. work looks really clean so far btw.. he was able to squeeze 2500 grafts just into the hairline .n donor looks very good , doesn’t look like a bloody mess . The surrounding grafts doesn’t look like it got damaged .. n hairline is looking dense right now !!!! Edited December 1, 2018 by Legend007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spaceman Posted December 1, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2018 2500 grafts of 80 micron hair, all on the hairline. Damn Legend, you are going to have a seriously dense hairline. Congratulations! Regarding post-op care, just follow Hasson’s instructions. I did. Things got a bit crusty for me around days 4-7 but the scabs came off clean and on-time and the result turned out great. Sometimes less is more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 1, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 1, 2018 Thanks spaceman, it’s encouraging to hear u say that .. Doctor Hasson was so sure I was going to have a great result , I even asked him if he will guarantee it .. n he said he will , n will even put it in writing for me . So in my file , I have his written gurantee that at least 90% of the grafts will grow .. . Which is a pretty awesome reassurance to have, knowing that I’m not just throwing $20,000 down the drain if things don’t turn out right .. So far post op , has been easy , got no pain or swelling .. n I like their post up care instructions . Don’t need to spray the grafts every hour , what a hassle that would be .. especially when I travel back home tomorrow . Do u have a link to ur progress with hasson , spaceman ? I would like to check it out n keep up with ur progress .. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted December 1, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 1, 2018 Can’t wait to see your journey bro, I hope you create the thread. At least the flights only like 3 hours from SFO. 1 I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 2, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) Okay Melvin I will create a thread later .. u n others have really helped me through this journey .. oh yeah .. my graft count was: 300 singles 1900 doubles 300 triples .. i can see now why FUE has become the gold standard of hairtransplants .. u get to cherry pick all the good grafts to achieve what is needed .. even a FUT clinic like h&w recommended me to do FUE.. Doctor Hasson said he won’t be able to achieve that kind of density with fut , n I would need around 3000 grafts fut to achieve the same density , since there be more singles than needed with a strip .. they only needed 300 singles for the hairline .. so that’s what they got .. the rest were doubles n triples. Edited December 2, 2018 by Legend007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Spaceman Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Legend007 said: .. even a FUT clinic like h&w recommended me to do FUE.. Doctor Hasson said he won’t be able to achieve that kind of density with fut , n I would need around 3000 grafts fut to achieve the same density That is very true. Its a big advantage for FUE and helps even out the cost. FUT is great for large cases, when you need to move a lot of hair at once or when you're concerned about thinning out the donor. But in your case, and many others, FUE is the better choice. Its great to go to a clinic that can perform FUE and FUT at the same level and can therefore recommend the best procedure for your situation. 39 minutes ago, Legend007 said: Do u have a link to ur progress with hasson , spaceman ? I would like to check it out n keep up with ur progress .. thanks Sure, here's the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member SBSinNYC Posted December 2, 2018 Regular Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 Post op for me was 3 very gentle washings on day 1, 2 very gentle washings for days 2-7, 1 gentle washing through day 10. Try to sleep more upright for first few days. Baby Shampoo. Dr. Bernstein. That’s it. 4.5 months in and things seem to be proceeding as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member shookwon33 Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 Glad to hear your surgery went well Legend. Any idea how large the punch sizes were used for your FUE with H&W? Also im assuming you did 2500 grafts then via FUE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 2, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) They used 8.5mm.. the punch size is really small n spaced out .. I told the them don’t take too many from the sides , n have it spaced out so I don’t get no patches of baldness .. I can already tell my donor is healing really well ..by 2nd day after the wash , there was no bleeding .. this n will give me options for future surgeries .. personally I think 8.5mm is a good size punch even with people with thick donor hair .. it’s the right size to extract n not harm the grafts n not leave big holes in ur head Edited December 2, 2018 by Legend007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member jjsrader Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Legend007 said: Okay Melvin I will create a thread later .. u n others have really helped me through this journey .. oh yeah .. my graft count was: 300 singles 1900 doubles 300 triples .. i can see now why FUE has become the gold standard of hairtransplants .. u get to cherry pick all the good grafts to achieve what is needed .. even a FUT clinic like h&w recommended me to do FUE.. Doctor Hasson said he won’t be able to achieve that kind of density with fut , n I would need around 3000 grafts fut to achieve the same density , since there be more singles than needed with a strip .. they only needed 300 singles for the hairline .. so that’s what they got .. the rest were doubles n triples. This is why you go to long-standing reputable impeccable surgeons like H&W, Konior, Shapiro and a FUE doctor in Georgia who can't be mentioned here. With these particular surgeons in N. America - you get 100% straight-up knowledge and they have spent 20+ years building up their reputations and employ rigorously trained personnel. These top-tier surgeons know EXACTLY the major & ever-so-subtle differences between FUT & FUE and create a custom/boutique-like plan for each patient. Specifically the meticulous cherry picking during FUE is vital if you are stripped out or only need 5000 grafts or less lifetime. Frankly, Legend's hair quality from donor absolutely sickens me - but in a good way. A better choice than the other FUE surgeon he was considering w/larger FUE extraction 'holes.' Now he'll look good for his wedding and in 2 years his wife won't even care and he probably doesn't need another surgery for many many years if he stays on his meds. Hasson's hairlines are very very good and he can even 'fine-tune' it if one is a perfectionist. Edited December 2, 2018 by jjsrader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Shera Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 Hey Legend, Great to hear it all worked out well in the end. Looking forward to following your story, all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 2, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 thanks shera n thanks Jsrader .. I’m glad things worked out the way they did .. over a year of research , n listening to other members here has really helped me a lot .. there’s a big difference from top clinics and average clinics . Or clinics that just care about ur money .. a lot of new people just like I was , think hairtransplants are one n done .: as long as they get the immediate results is all that matters .. but it’s a lifelong commitment and u have to plan accordingly .. I’m really happy with H&W clinic .. I had a good vibe with them from the beginning .. I liked the other 3 clinics that I had previously booked a surgery date with ,, n they all had good qualities to them .. but there was always something that didn’t suit my situation .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 2, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) Well guys I’m at the Canada airport right now .. waiting to board my flight .. I barely had any swelling the last two days .. but damn just like u guys said .. day 3 is when the swelling gets bad .. I woked up today with my eyes swollen .. I can barely open them .. my head swolled up big time too .. I could barely fit my hat .. at the checkout counter at Canada air .. the attendant thought I was blind since I could barely see or open my eyes .. she was so helpful n Carried my bag for me n fasttrack me through the security line .. hahah, so funny ,, no one noticed that I just had a hair transplant ; they just thought I was blind .. well I’m about to board my flight .. thanks for the advice and support everyone, y’all my online balding buddies .. oh yeah .. my bank was able to get back my $1000 deposit from dr. Dieps office peace! Edited December 2, 2018 by Legend007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member wheretogo Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) Hey Legend007, congrats on your HT mate, wish you fast happy growth. about the swelling try use ice packs on the forehead, sleep at 45 degree and massage your forehead from the middle to the sides of your face. hope you feel better. Edited December 2, 2018 by wheretogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TrixGlendevon Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 Did you sleep sitting up? I did and only got some very mild forehead swelling this morning. I can't wait to sleep lying down. The problem for me is, I can't sleep on my back and I obviously can't sleep on my front until they have all fully anchored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Gasthoerer Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 I am confused cause I thought you decided for FUT know? This graft spaying thing is strange. From Feriduni I got I spray and a lotion and was told to moisture the recipient every couple of hours. Seems like HT is real science, lol. 400+ grafts in 2018 and 2900 grafts in 2020 via FUE with Feriduni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member TrixGlendevon Posted December 2, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 2, 2018 He did decide for FUT but H&W said he didn't have the laxity for it so they gave him FUE. I got the same as you from Hattingen. Spray for every 2 hours and some lotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Legend007 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) Hey whereto,, yep I’m home now .. n icepacking my eyes .. it’s almost completely shut .. the ice should help .. .. yeah gas I went to h&w at the last minute because they are fut specialists.. but it was because dieps office rescheduled me cuz I lost my debit card and was a day late on making full payment .. so they reschedule me for October 2019 .. I’m like, I already waited 10 months for ya .. I’m not waiting another year .. I’m not on ur schedule .. I’m ur potential patient .. .. with $20k to spend .. there’s plenty of good clinics out there .. n h&w accommodated me n got me in one week .. so I didn’t have enough laxity since I didn’t have time to do scalp exercises.. beside I’m happy I went with fue now .. the recovery time is much easier .. My donor looks like it’s barely touched .. since I have a lot of donor density .. I still think dieps office is a good clinic .. but their customer service isn’t meeting my expectations .. n their 9mm-1mm punch sizes will leave me with fewer options for future transplants ..but one major good thing about them , is diep does great hairlines and he’s able to accomplish the same density using less grafts than most clinics .. Either way things worked out fine for me. The difficult part is over .. Its all about happy growing days now .. thanks for all ur guys support .. Edited December 3, 2018 by Legend007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Rawkerboi Posted December 3, 2018 Senior Member Share Posted December 3, 2018 Congratulations on your HT! Do post some pictures man! Dam! It seems you have some insane swelling as you have said that you are ice packing your eyes which is completely shut?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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