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5 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

I don't give a damn what you agree with or not. Why should I speak up when I see a positive result? It is suppose to be a top clinic, no? Shouldn't positive results be expected? Why should I praise them for doing what they are suppose to do? I speak up when I see people's lives being affected by absolutely shit hairline work to which numerous cases are being posted. That isn't a coincidence. Pretending otherwise? THAT is 'b@llocks'. 

The same logic could be used even if they had a 99% success rate.  "Why praise them for doing what they're supposed to be doing when the 1% had absolutely shit hairline work?"  Only addressing unsatisfactory results and "piling on" paints a false narrative, giving the impression that most/all of their results are unsatisfactory even if you don't explicitly say it.  This is a textbook case of confirmation bias.

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On 8/5/2019 at 5:01 AM, jonnyalex said:

 

I don't believe I contradicted myself at all. The tech's at H&W have massive experience; ASMED's simply don't. They are new in the FUE world yes, but they still maintain the same level of artistry as they did with FUT. I clearly wrote this is "almost" always the case and the surgeon should perform "most" of the work. You have proved nothing. H&W do perform most of the procedure themselves or at least present to make sure it doesn't mess up. I have had a 4600 graft HT with ASMED. The doctor was present for a matter of minutes. He has built a reputation on using an obscene amount of grafts for even minor cases, irrespective of patient age. 

I'm sorry, but any idiot can line the recent results side by side (patient results) and see what I am talking about. You simply rarely see these kind of gappy hairlines from the majority of top clinics these days.  

I mean, let's get real here; Just look at these hairlines. This is not acceptable. Presumably this is why he is now offering a touch up before you even request it now. A touch up when you have already had a 4264 graft HT is an issue though. 

"The tech's at H&W have massive experience; ASMED's simply don't."

You flat out made this up. Ironically you also ignore that when HnW introduced FUE they went to Lorenzo and Erdogan to get a good understanding of how to perform it. They have performed the surgery for significantly less time in years, grafts and minutes than the vast majority of Erdogan's techs. If this isn't the case, then show legitimate evidence for once rather than making baseless statements.

"I clearly wrote this is "almost" always the case and the surgeon should perform "most" of the work. You have proved nothing. H&W do perform most of the procedure themselves or at least present to make sure it doesn't mess up"

They perform no more of the FUE surgery than Erdogan does at his clinic. This is an indisputable fact, but please explain EXACTLY what you mean by this and the SPECIFIC point where H/W is more involved? 

"I have had a 4600 graft HT with ASMED. The doctor was present for a matter of minutes."

Again, childishly making things up. He performed the incisions on you, that takes close to an hour, and he spends at least 15-30 minutes discussing your goals and expectations, the hairline etc which he goes over twice, once prior to shaving and once after, and looks over after the surgery is complete. 

"He has built a reputation on using an obscene amount of grafts for even minor cases, irrespective of patient age. "

Then why did you choose him? Are you a complete idiot, or just dishonest with even yourself? 

Cut the bullshit. Its genuinely disgusting when someone like yourself is so wedded to an idea they themselves know they're lying, yet keep repeating the same garbage over and over. The success rate has clearly dropped over the last 18 months, however you help no one by lying to the forum and lying to yourself because you're upset. I've seen your result, it actually looks very good in design and naturalness, a touchup of under 1000 grafts would make it virtually perfect.

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2 hours ago, JayLDD said:

"The tech's at H&W have massive experience; ASMED's simply don't."

You flat out made this up. Ironically you also ignore that when HnW introduced FUE they went to Lorenzo and Erdogan to get a good understanding of how to perform it. They have performed the surgery for significantly less time in years, grafts and minutes than the vast majority of Erdogan's techs. If this isn't the case, then show legitimate evidence for once rather than making baseless statements.

"I clearly wrote this is "almost" always the case and the surgeon should perform "most" of the work. You have proved nothing. H&W do perform most of the procedure themselves or at least present to make sure it doesn't mess up"

They perform no more of the FUE surgery than Erdogan does at his clinic. This is an indisputable fact, but please explain EXACTLY what you mean by this and the SPECIFIC point where H/W is more involved? 

"I have had a 4600 graft HT with ASMED. The doctor was present for a matter of minutes."

Again, childishly making things up. He performed the incisions on you, that takes close to an hour, and he spends at least 15-30 minutes discussing your goals and expectations, the hairline etc which he goes over twice, once prior to shaving and once after, and looks over after the surgery is complete. 

"He has built a reputation on using an obscene amount of grafts for even minor cases, irrespective of patient age. "

Then why did you choose him? Are you a complete idiot, or just dishonest with even yourself? 

Cut the bullshit. Its genuinely disgusting when someone like yourself is so wedded to an idea they themselves know they're lying, yet keep repeating the same garbage over and over. The success rate has clearly dropped over the last 18 months, however you help no one by lying to the forum and lying to yourself because you're upset. I've seen your result, it actually looks very good in design and naturalness, a touchup of under 1000 grafts would make it virtually perfect.

Ah JayLDD, the man who has a reputation for aggressive behaviour on multiple hairloss forums. I bet you couldn't wait to pounce after attacking me on another thread and then realising I was in fact agreeing with you in the first place. You continue these attacks even here but I think we both know who the 'complete idiot' is as you put it. 

The techs at H&W do have more experience in being technicians in a HT clinic. In fact, I would go as even as far to say that despite having less FUE experience, they probably STILL have more than many of the current ASMED technicians.

Please don't tell me what MY experience was. You don't know. If you check my post history, I ALWAYS said everything behind the hairline was fine, the hairline itself was pants, gappy and you could see my whole scalp through it. I also had major regrowth from oral minoxidil and dutasteride, even on areas that the clinic didn't touch. 

If it wasnt ASMED, where you had your surgery, you'd be criticising the recent results yourself, like you have with multiple clinics, which is fine because it is a discussion forum.

Also, when they went to Erdogan to learn FUE techniques, I wonder who taught them? Technicians barely out of their teens? Or Koray Erdogan himself? All that is relevant is their results. I would be stunned to see these kinds of results from H&W, Konior etc.. you simply don't. 

I would like proof that they don't have more involvement like you say.  If you can provide this, I'll rightfully admit that I was wrong on that point. This simply seems impossible when we were shown an image of ASMED with 9(?) operating rooms. Involvement means being at least semi present while the techs work as the lead surgeon.

At the end of the day, multiple patients have posted photos of shit hairline work. It is not because of poor growth, it is because of poor work. 

I know that is pointless to discuss anything with you because all you do is insult people. As I remember, you were warned by a moderator the first time, yet do exactly the same thing again here. 

 

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On 8/5/2019 at 4:49 AM, Craig2412 said:

I don’t agree with your negative b@llocks and rubbish you post. Why don’t you ever speak up when there’s positive results and they do exist, that’s why we both choose this clinic. 

Im over this topic. I for one won't be going to Asmed. The rest of you can make your own minds up. 

 

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Guys,

Let's keep it respectful. That said, if you're complaining about your results don't post them, how can we validate those criticisms? I think the points are valid, but the way it was said could've been better.


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On 8/2/2019 at 5:44 PM, cali101 said:

I plan to post a detailed 1 year but was reading the post regarding dr koray but wanted to give brief update. I can make my hair look quite good with small amount of concealer but there are some density issues and lack of grafts behind hair line. I think hairline is great. I also have dark hair and very pale so any lake of density is much more prevalent and that’s why the concealer helps so much as it darkens my scalp.  I sent some photos to dr koray just asking his opinion not asking for anything and he voluntary offered a free touch up procedure. 

I will include couple photos of my hair styled looking good and couple showing the issue that he has offered to fix.

i will also post some photos tomorrow  after I style it and add the concealer. If I could accomplish this look without concealer I would be very happy with my touch up.

i am returning on September 17th so will start a new thread 

If anyone reading this has had a 2nd procedure with dr koray or a touch up let me know so I can read your experience 

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Hey! I had my procedure last November a bit after you and I'm getting a free warranty procedure in November by asmed as well because my yield was pretty bad 

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I leave in 1 week for a touchup procedure and maybe some more density.

Anyone else had experience with touch up warranty procedure? How many graphs were given.?

I will probably create a new post for my new surgery.

 

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3 minutes ago, cali101 said:

I leave in 1 week for a touchup procedure and maybe some more density.

Anyone else had experience with touch up warranty procedure? How many graphs were given.?

I will probably create a new post for my new surgery.

 

I'm going back in November for a warranty procedure 

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