Regular Member txtransplant Posted February 8, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted February 8, 2019 About splitting grafts. Lots of surgeons including mine mine consider splinting multi hair grafts to be a bad idea. So, sometimes surgeons (in this case techs) just do the best they can for their patient with what that have. Lot's of mediocre results here on this thread. Not horrible...no failures. But not amazing, that's for sure. I guess results are a strong word....most of this is not final results. Sit back and wait til a year and assess what is the issue. Could be think hair, not enough grafts, bad work, patient continuing to bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payam Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 11:59 PM, hairlossPA said: @kw877 @munich @MHR84 you all went to ASMED??? will admit these definitely leave a lot to be desired... but wait the 12 months. That's all the advice you'll get from the moderators and community until 12 months hit. If people can afford touchups, I definitely agree with the previously stated advice of going to a more refined/hairline specialist. ASMED seems to have more high NW cases which can provide coverage very well, but not as much attention to detail around the hairline like stated in this thread and others. Hang on... How is that an excuse? Even if you look past the hairline design and multigrafts in the hairline, the root issue here is that Asmed has terrible graft survival despite using inordinate number of grafts in very small areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member kw877 Posted February 10, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Payam said: How is that an excuse? Even if you look past the hairline design and multigrafts in the hairline, the root issue here is that Asmed has terrible graft survival despite using inordinate number of grafts in very small areas. That’s what I feel the issue is, grafts not surviving. With the amount of grafts in just hairlines I expected a lot more density. Not native, but still higher than what I and others have ended up with. I keep hoping time will make a difference but so far it hasn’t changed in months, and others like yourself who are further enough along to assess the HT as either successful or not, don’t seem to have improved so what hope do I have Edited February 10, 2019 by kw877 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Fozzie Posted February 11, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 8:56 PM, jonnyalex said: This is very similar to my result from Asmed. They seem to have got it totally wrong with hairlines. I am happy with the rest of the work they did however. My advice to anyone is consider Asmed for big jobs, anything behind the hairline. For hairlines, you need a surgeon who does the entire thing himself, no tech's, just the artistry of the surgeon. Your hairline is what frames your face and makes the biggest difference to your appearance - don't let tech's do that. Also, don't try and convince your surgeon to lower your hairline too much, it will never look good. You'll have to pay more but you get what you pay for. That is sound advice. I've looked into transplants for a few years now and I've always got the impression ASMED are a good option for guy's with more extensive hair loss. More often than not, guys with that kind of hair loss are coming out the other end looking cosmetically better after a procedure at ASMED. Yes, refinement may be lacking in some cases, but overall the end result in these cases seem to leave the patient in a better position imo. Personally, if someone is looking to Turkey for surgery, for me it would be any case that is a NW3 and below, Dr Keser. Anything NW4-NW6, ASMED. Totally agree with you on the point regarding lowering of hairlines. Recently seeing a few examples of young guys lowering their hairlines and makes me uneasy seeing this trend of guys committing 3000 odd grafts to lowering hairlines and filling in temple points. For me, this is almost going beyond the realms of hair restoration and sometimes feels as though guy's are after the perfect 'designer hairline and temple points', an ideal in their minds as to what they want to look like/hairstyle they want to achieve and I totally understand that thinking when a guy is younger. However sometimes there needs to be a trade off between what they want and whats best for them long term. I may be wrong, but that's just the impression I get. Now if someone wants to go ahead with that, fair enough it's their choice but they need to do some thorough research and be consulting as many surgeons as possible. Even if a top surgeon is way out the budget, I'd be getting an opinion. Unfortunately, seeing as HT's are now so accessible and relatively affordable nowadays, sometimes feels guy's are maybe rushing into things and taking the plunge without arming themselves with the right/enough information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member VicTNYC Posted February 11, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/6/2019 at 3:56 PM, jonnyalex said: This is very similar to my result from Asmed. They seem to have got it totally wrong with hairlines. I am happy with the rest of the work they did however. My advice to anyone is consider Asmed for big jobs, anything behind the hairline. For hairlines, you need a surgeon who does the entire thing himself, no tech's, just the artistry of the surgeon. Your hairline is what frames your face and makes the biggest difference to your appearance - don't let tech's do that. Also, don't try and convince your surgeon to lower your hairline too much, it will never look good. You'll have to pay more but you get what you pay for. Hi. Have you created a post of your progress?...is there a link you can post? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) On 2/11/2019 at 9:00 AM, VicTNYC said: Hi. Have you created a post of your progress?...is there a link you can post? Thanks. I will try to provide some. I have recently said I was unhappy with the work he did, but having looked back at my before photos, it is hard to complain about a dodgy hairline when the rest the work was pretty great. Edited February 12, 2019 by jonnyalex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member VicTNYC Posted February 12, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, jonnyalex said: I will try to provide some. I have recently said I was unhappy with the work he did, but having looked back at my before photos, it is hard to complain about a dodgy hairline when the rest the work was pretty great. Please do, it could be very helpful to share before, during, and after photos you may have that had you feeling unhappy then to feeling the work was as you say, pretty great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, VicTNYC said: Please do, it could be very helpful to share before, during, and after photos you may have that had you feeling unhappy then to feeling the work was as you say, pretty great. I am unhappy only with the hairline. It is not noticeable to most people, but it bothers me. There is a very clear doll hair effect in real life, with 1 CM gaps in between the hairs. A combination of Dutasturide, Oral Minoxidl and a 4500 HT has served me well however as you can see from the photos. I need a higher quality camera to make the issue that bothers me very clear, but it is similar to the complaints posted on this thread. Edited February 12, 2019 by jonnyalex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member MHR84 Posted February 12, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jonnyalex said: I am unhappy only with the hairline. It is not noticeable to most people, but it bothers me. There is a very clear doll hair effect in real life, with 1 CM gaps in between the hairs. A combination of Dutasturide, Oral Minoxidl and a 4500 HT has served me well however as you can see from the photos. I need a higher quality camera to make the issue that bothers me very clear, but it is similar to the complaints posted on this thread. When did you have your surgery? Did you take up the matter with Asmed? What did they say? Too many questions but i am really worried about outcome of my surgery! Having same problem as yours, big gaps in the hair line btw do you know diameter of your hair i Edited February 12, 2019 by MHR84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, MHR84 said: When did you have your surgery? Did you take up the matter with Asmed? What did they say? Too many questions but i am really worried about outcome of my surgery! Having same problem as yours, big gaps in the hair line i 4 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member MHR84 Posted February 12, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, jonnyalex said: 4 years ago. Can you share link of your thread? If you made one??? Did you take up the matter with the clinic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) I didn't make one. To put it simply, the experience wasn't great, the results were good other than the hairline which was terrible. My face-time with the actual doctor, Koray Erdogan, was about 45 minutes. . . and no, I didn't take it up with them. He doesn't refund people, only sometimes agree's a repair. I don't want technicians touch my hairline ever again Edited February 12, 2019 by jonnyalex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member DEB1982 Posted February 12, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 If you aren’t happy then you aren’t happy and I’m not going to dispute that but I think your hair in the second and third photo looks amazing. Looking at where you started I would say it is an amazing cosmetic improvement. Your frontal lock looks very dense. I like you wanted a little more density in the hairline. I guess i’ll find out what the outcome of mine is in a few months. Considering you are four years post op I personally think it’s looks great. 1 First Transplant: 5000 FUE grafts with Dr Koray Erdogan ASMED, December 2016 First Hair Transplant link: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/185564-5000-grafts-fue-13th-14th-december-asmed-dr-erdogan.html Hair loss regime Propecia 1mg daily Saw Palmetto 450mg daily Biotin 1000ug daily MSM 1500mg daily Pumpkin Seed Oil 1000mg daily 1% Nizoral shampoo weekly Lasercomb x 3 weekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, DEB1982 said: If you aren’t happy then you aren’t happy and I’m not going to dispute that but I think your hair in the second and third photo looks amazing. Looking at where you started I would say it is an amazing cosmetic improvement. Your frontal lock looks very dense. I like you wanted a little more density in the hairline. I guess i’ll find out what the outcome of mine is in a few months. Considering you are four years post op I personally think it’s looks great. Yes, to be clear I am happy with everything but the hairline and the service in the clinic. Please be aware that Dutasturide and Oral Min had a hugely positive effect on my hair too. I'm going for 500 grafts with Keser.. I am hoping it is enough as the last thing I want is a moth-bitten donor . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mosd Posted February 12, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, jonnyalex said: I didn't make one. To put it simply, the experience wasn't great, the results were good other than the hairline which was terrible. My face-time with the actual doctor, Koray Erdogan, was about 45 minutes. . . and no, I didn't take it up with them. He doesn't refund people, only sometimes agree's a repair. I don't want technicians touch my hairline ever again Bro, you take dut? How long have u been doing so? I wanna start taking it but damn afraid. Read some horror stories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, mosd said: Bro, you take dut? How long have u been doing so? I wanna start taking it but damn afraid. Read some horror stories... 3 years. Let me tell you, in my case, it was WAY more effective than fin. Fin seemed to do nothing whatsoever for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mosd Posted February 12, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, jonnyalex said: 3 years. Let me tell you, in my case, it was WAY more effective than fin. Fin seemed to do nothing whatsoever for me. can i pm you so this thread is on topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyalex Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, mosd said: can i pm you so this thread is on topic? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member VicTNYC Posted February 13, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted February 13, 2019 @jonnyalex thanks for sharing your photos! My honest opinion, I think your hair looks great, minus the obvious slight lack of density in the hairline, especially for 4-years post op and the medications are working great for you. Good luck and good choice on choosing Keser for the hairline “touch-up” hope you make your own progress thread on the forum with it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member kw877 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted March 7, 2019 7.5 month update. No progress unfortunately. Having to keep it long so I can hide it for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Melvin- Admin Posted March 7, 2019 Administrators Share Posted March 7, 2019 I can see your concerns, but there is still some time for things to improve. Have you contacted the clinic and have you showed them your progress thus far? I’m a paid admin for Hair Transplant Network. I do not receive any compensation from any clinic. My comments are not medical advice. Check out my final hair transplant and topical dutasteride journey: View my thread Topical dutasteride journey Melvin- Managing Publisher and Forum Moderator for the Hair Transplant Network, the Coalition Hair Loss Learning Center, and the Hair Loss Q&A Blog. Follow our Social Media: Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin, and YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member CosmoKramer Posted March 7, 2019 Senior Member Share Posted March 7, 2019 Hi looking at all the progress photos you’ve posted, in my honest opinion it does seem as though you have had some improvement from your 6-th month, it may be slight but to me it looks much better now than 1.5months ago, with that said, the density is not there...yet, you could possibly see more new growth of fine hairs even up til the 9-10th month and the hairs that have already grown should thicken and mature as well. Thanks for posting your progress, hopefully you get more and keep posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member kw877 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, CosmoKramer said: Hi looking at all the progress photos you’ve posted, in my honest opinion it does seem as though you have had some improvement from your 6-th month, it may be slight but to me it looks much better now than 1.5months ago, with that said, the density is not there...yet, you could possibly see more new growth of fine hairs even up til the 9-10th month and the hairs that have already grown should thicken and mature as well. Thanks for posting your progress, hopefully you get more and keep posting! It’s just longer, no new hairs that I can see. Thing is I hate having longer hair, but no choice right now 3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said: I can see your concerns, but there is still some time for things to improve. Have you contacted the clinic and have you showed them your progress thus far? Yeah they just said to wait till the 1 year mark. Just feel crap about it all having not had any improvement for months. I know there’s still time but I’m just doubtful as there’s been no new activity in so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member kw877 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Senior Member Share Posted March 31, 2019 A little past 8 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member xadiohead Posted March 31, 2019 Regular Member Share Posted March 31, 2019 Yours is tough to evaluate before/after because you had very good hair to start with (at least for a hair transplant patient). It seems it is getting better based on the last pictures, though I'm sure it is not where you want it at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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