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After several years and minimal improvement from my minimal Propecia/Rogaine regime and being in a good financial place, I decided to pull the trigger this week on a FUT hair ‘no shave’ procedure with Dr Konior. I'm about my 3rd day in. Everything was great! No pain whatsoever throughout the procedure. In fact, it was quite relaxing. The only tough part was sleeping with the staples on, but those will be taken out tomorrow. I’ll be back at work in a few days and feel very confident that I’ll be able to conceal that I had work done (since I didn’t shave the back or top), that’s how good everything looks.

 

As for Konior, he’s a great guy and takes his work VERY seriously. He genuinely loves the work and doing a highest quality of restoration. He’s also personable and funny (when he’s not in surgery mode) and very easy to talk to.

 

I just wanted to say thanks to this forum and the input that some of the users (Spanker and some of the other folks that encouraged me - Triple 7, MichiganMatt, Matt from England, etc.). We aimed for about 1500 grafts, but in typical Konior form he found more areas that needed some filling so the count went up to 2158. Everything was great and the staff was awesome and caring.

 

Here are a few pictures so far. One is right before the procedure (with the line drawn in) and the other is right after the procedure was done. As you can see, there was almost no bleeding or scabbing – seems to be very typical with Konior’s Stick and Place method. I was shocked to see how easily concealable the procedure was - probably since I did a 'no shave' and have a great/thick donor area. It was so easy, I'm already planning another one without hesitation (if needed) in a few years.

 

The entire Chicago Hair Institute clinic seems great and I believe you’ll be in great hands and get great results whether you go with Dr. Konior or Dr. Nadimi. I would say it's a no-brainer to go to them, if you're in the Chicago area.

 

Feel free to ask any questions and look forward to me posting my progress over the next few months.

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Dr Konior does really good work. You will do great!

 

Thanks midwesterner! Keeping my fingers crossed. I'm hoping that 2158 grafts will make a big difference visually. Did you go to Dr K?

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Thanks for posting your experience, keep us posted on your results.


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I can't believe it, but here's what the scar looks like only 4 days after the procedure!

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You appear to be an excellent healer.


Hair loss patient and transplant veteran. Once a Norwood 3A.

Received 2,700 grafts with coalition doctor on 8/13/2010

Received 2,380 grafts with Dr. Steven Gabel on 9/30/2011

Received 1,820 grafts with Dr. Steven Gabel on 7/28/2016

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OMG I want your Wolverine-like healing abilities! Your scar is going to be basically invisible! And I'm a fan of Doctor K's work, as he trained and worked with Doctor Gabel a lot who does my procedures. Two peas in a pod, and two of the top surgeons in the US for sure! Keep us updated with progress pics, and congrats!

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How in the world did you talk Dr K in to a “ no shave “ procedure. I thought he was big on shaving?? Was the picture of the scar 4 days after the stitches were taken out?


Newhairplease!!

Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:)

4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads

 

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Thanks all,

@newhairplease that's the scar 3 days after the procedure, the sutures are still in. You can see them if you look close. My lady can't see the scar or line at all. I'm shocked at how easy this was. 

Dr K does "no shave" for procedure smaller graft counts (I think 2k or less) and a higher price, though shaving is still ideal and optimal in his opinion since it makes it easier for him. I just can't shave because of work.

I'm about a month out now, I look the same as I did prior to the procedure. I've shed most of the hair from my new grafts. I'll post some more pics in the coming weeks. Growth should start at the month 2 mark.

 

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Gotcha. 

Dr K is one of the best in the business..if not the best. Great work no doubt


Newhairplease!!

Dr Rahal in January 19, 2012:)

4808 FUT grafts- 941 singles, 2809 doubles, 1031 triples, 27 quads

 

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On 12/14/2018 at 12:04 PM, petefromgreece said:

Private message me for updated pics.

why do you need to be pm'd to see updates?

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Here’s where I’m at. Just passed 6 months. Hoping to get more growth and density still.

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@hairlossPA Fingers crossed! Honestly I was hoping for more noticeable results by now (6.5 months), but we didn’t move the hairline up. The grafts were placed behind the hairline within existing hair...and I had a pretty full head of hair. It’s going to be harder to see results because of that. I’m pretty happy so far though and I’ll check back in a few months!

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1 hour ago, petefromgreece said:

@hairlossPA Fingers crossed! Honestly I was hoping for more noticeable results by now (6.5 months), but we didn’t move the hairline up. The grafts were placed behind the hairline within existing hair...and I had a pretty full head of hair. I’m thinking it’s going to be harder to see results because of that.

yeah i meant mostly around the temple areas and how they are a lot better now

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It's hard to see from the post ops but it looks like a more even hairline has developed.  By about 11/12 months I'd expect growth to be 'complete' based on my own experience.


4,312 FUT grafts (7,676 hairs) with Ray Konior, MD - August 2013

1,145 FUE grafts (3,152 hairs) with Ray Konior, MD - August 2018

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Your hair wasn’t all that bad before your procedure but I feel like you already have a nice result and the recession in the corners you had prior to your procedure is now gone. It’s a very natural looking hairline. Your result will continue to thicken some over the next 2-3 months which will help even more.

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On 7/4/2018 at 6:26 AM, NEWHAIRPLEASE said:

How in the world did you talk Dr K in to a “ no shave “ procedure. I thought he was big on shaving?? Was the picture of the scar 4 days after the stitches were taken out?

Dr K definitely prefers to do a shave down on the recipient area. I know because I just had a 1,600 FUE no shave procedure with him and he groused about it a few times during the procedure. In retrospect, I should have just done the shave down because my hair looks pretty jacked up right now even with the no shave. His assistant gave me a pretty clean cut, but Dr K came in and took care of that. Haha


3,425 FUT grafts with Dr Raymond Konior - Nov 2013

1,600 FUE grafts with Dr Raymond Konior - Dec 2018

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