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Hello all!

 

Who does the best hairlines in Europe that offer FUT? I am always impressed with Dr Feriduni's work but who else? I need to make a shortlist of about five to visit in the coming weeks/months. I have already got two. I'd appreciate any advice!

 

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Unfortunately I think you know them all Trix, you've been at this a while and it's the same names, Feriduni, Bisanga, DeVroye. If you want to hit the uk, Dr Ball is good, and if you venture over to the german forums, Gasthroer is high on a clinic called Hattingen so they might be worth a look to see if they interest you but you're likely choosing between the same cast you've been choosing from all along.

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Thanks Mikey. Yeah, I thought it would be the usual suspects but I wanted to see if anybody could throw an unknown quantity into the mix now I am coming to decision making time. I have researched that Hattingen clinic but can't find much on them online from former patients so that rules them out. I am not taking a risk with this to save a few euros. I have reached a crossroads now where I either need to shave it off or do the HT. I have been researching it for 2-3 years and had online consultations with the better European based surgeons. I want to do it in September so that the European winter and early nights mean that I won't have that much exposure to the sun and it also gives me an excuse to wear a hat.

 

I am very keen on getting an in person consultation with Dr Devroye but I can't find much posted by patients from him either, just his clinic's posts which although good, are obviously biased and likely to be his best work (he wouldn't post rubbish on a site like this). I like the responsiveness of the clinic though. The problem with Dr Feriduni is that his staff are awful. They take weeks and weeks to get back to you and the waiting lists are long. I booked a consultation in November and it is in August (plus I had to pay 200 and something euros for it). All the other clinics can get me in for a consultation very quickly.

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I hear ya, as said, I'm not a specialist on Hattingen myself, I generally trust Gasthroers eye enough that if i were looking at fut I'd take a look at a doc he thinks highly of but if you can't find patients then, I agree it's not worth the risk.

 

DeVroyes a talent, I do think it comes down to client demographic with him, Bisanga and Feriduni market far more heavily than he does and they have forum reps so they've got a sort of tech team pushing the brand online so you're going to catch the eye of younger more tech savvy patients who are more likely to post. DeVroye seems to get an older more established client that is less likely to splash his pics online but he's thought well of among the community of docs I talked to. Much more so than names that I hear bandied around on the forums as great docs. I would definitely get that consult with DeVroye and see what your feeling is in person, I don't think you'd make a wrong choice with any of the 3 Belgians honestly. I have personal experience with Bisanga, having had my first fue with him and think very highly of him so it's a good choice you have here, just go with the one you feel most comfortable with, and response time is important, that does add to the comfort level, you want to know if something goes sideways you can get your doc.

 

Good luck!

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I visited three clinics in belgium (2 perform FUE + FUT, 1 is FUE only). Feriduni was the most expensive, but also the one who took the most time for the consultation. 200 € is nothing compared to the cost for the transplant.

 

Devroye was not in the group I have visited, but what I have seen online seems great.

 

Hattingen results from patients are here:

https://www.alopezie.de/foren/transplant/index.php/f/14/

But I think you need to register to read there.

 

Like H&W Hattingen did FUT only until recently, therefore I assume they still have more patients doing FUT than the belgium clinics, who claimed that they do >90 % FUE when I asked them.

Whatever clinic you choose from that list is a good choice in my opinion. It will come to personal feeling and "design aspects" in the end.

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Thanks for your reply/input Gasthoerer. Dr Feriduni will be expensive, but as I said, I am not too bothered about paying more if I get a good result. I really do not understand people who base their decision on price. I would rather save an extra X months and get it done properly than risk my valuable donor and look worse in the mid- to long-term. I may check this clinic out. No harm in having a non-Belgium based clinic on the list. I won't be going to the UK for this and the Spanish only seem to do FUE and have massive waiting lists. Did you have your surgery done at Hattingen? Why do you promote them so much if not? Which three clinics did you visit in Belgium? I agree Dr Devroye seems great online from the little I have seen but there is not much to see, unfortunately.

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Personally, I made consultation with Bisanga, Feriduni, Lupanzula und Feriduni again.

Lupanzula was my frist choice due to his "do it yourself approach".

 

Finally I decided for Feriduni. My thread is here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/188693-options-diffuse-thinning.html

 

Short summary:

1. Feriduni's opinion about my "hair issues" matched what I see as an issue myself. It is more a volume/height Topic than a density issue. He also saw hairline and crown equally important. Lupanzula was focused on the crown and Bisanga on the hairline.

2. Feriduni was the only one who would perform a small test case below 500 grafts. This was my personal decision.

 

Hattingen for me is one of the top FUT clinics in Europe, especially for higher norwoods. There are many patient reports under the link that I have provided. For FUE they would not be my preference, as the perform FUE only for a couple of years (results are promising though). They also still do FUT regulary. Bisanga and Feriduni told me that > 90 % is FUE for them today.

 

Price should not be a decision maker in my opinion. Just like you said yourself. All clinics mentioned in here are great. IMO the deceicive factor is personal feeling with the surgeon and preference of hairline design.

 

Hattingen is a little conservative with their hairlines, but they also have a lot of high NW cases, so maybe that is just a consequence. Their hairlines are a little to "rounded" for me, but that is really a matter of taste.

 

Devroye wasn't on my list when I made the decision, but he would be now.

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Mmh, my last post obviously got lost in the cyberspace...

I had consultation with Bisanga, Feriduni, Lupanazula and Feriduni again.

My initial top choice was Lupanzula, as he performs most of the surgery by himself.

Finally, I decided for Feriduni due to this reasons:

- He was the only one who was equally focused on my hairline and (!) my crown issue

- Bisanga was mainly focused on the front and Lupanzula mainly on the crown

- Feriduni mentioned exactly my issue, which is unven volume/height and not density; therefore I feel that we have similar feeling about hair design

- He was the only one who would perform a small test FUE case to see if I am a good candidate (I am super conservative, even though all clinics recommended FUE over FUT for me)

I have my own thread about it here:http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/188693-options-diffuse-thinning.html

Hattingen is in my opinion one of the top FUT clinic in Europe especially for higher Norwoods, despite being unknown in this (US) forum. Similar to H&W they were FUT only and therefore they still perform a lot of FUT. Bisanga and Feriduni told me they perform > 90 % FUE nowadays. Under the link I provided there are plenty of results posted by clients. I would not (!) recommend them for FUE, as they are relatively new in this. Even though I have seen some promising FUE results.

For hairline FUE in central Europe my recommendation is Heitmann (who once was affiliated to Feriduni). He is also relatively unknown in this forum, but he is doing almost the entire procedure by himself and focuses on small cases per day. He is booked for years though…

Like you I share the feeling that cost should not be the decisive factor. All discussed clinic are great. I will come down to “design” and personal feeling. Hattingen is known for conservative hairlines (maybe because they to a lot of high Norwood cases) and the hairlines are a tad to round on the edges for my taste. But you should decide yourself.

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Sorry, my last two post obviously include some trigger words and are under Review by the mods. We have to wait :-)

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Just book it with Feriduni and end the masturbatory questioning here. Unless you're particularly uninformed which you're not there is little reason to specifically book a consultation before a procedure. What in a consultation is going to change your mind or help you make your decision as opposed to what another clinic would say? What can they tell you that basic research can't? With Google and years of research your disposal, you should be past the point of an in person consult changing your mind.

 

I think you know you want to have the surgery with Feriduni and all your posts reflect as much, there's only so much questioning that is productive. Clinic staff taking a while to respond to emails is hardly the most offputting thing in the world.

 

 

Personally I would book a procedure with Feriduni, avoid the consultation entirely and get the issue off the mind. Freitas in Spain

(FUE) does the best hairline work in the world in my opinion, although he has a 2 year waiting list.

 

Also Hattingen do great work but their speciality seems to be high norwood and large megassessions.

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You make a good point but I am a special case. I do not want to take medication so need to speak to the doctors in person first. To plan this properly I need them to tell me about my donor and how many grafts it can potentially produce. I am aware of the risks in not taking the medication but my expectations about what a good result/successful procedure will be are already low as I am not after a rounded, juvenile hairline like yours (as good as it looks). I just do not want to be bald. If the doctors say I cannot do it, I will shave my head and live with the consequences.

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Hi Trix

 

I am now five months in from my 3,500 FUT with Dr Devroye and will post more photos at 6 months. My immediate post up and 3 month update pics are on here. I cannot speak highly enough of Dr Devroye and his team; thoroughly professional, extremely welcoming and he let me stay at his clinic for three nights free of charge. As for the work, I am absolutely delighted with it, in particular the age appropriate and very natural looking hairline. I had a consult with him a year before my surgery and he put no pressure on me at all but answered all my questions in full and gave me some very good advice. I am 50 and so probably fit into his usual demographic and do not spend all my time on the forums, I don't feel the need to as the work was so good...but I would certainly recommend that you consider Dr Devroye along with the other Belgian clinics.

 

D&C

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Hi D&C. Thanks for getting back to me. He is definitely on my list. I have been following your thread and will continue to do - I agree it is great work. You must be very pleased. I am younger than you so have other considerations (as I don't want to take medication) which is why I have been putting it off as long as possible but it will have to be this year now I think as I am approaching the crossroads.

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Hi Trix

 

No problem at all. I am very pleased with my results so far but appreciate that you are younger and not on meds and so your situation is quite different. To answer the previous point made by JeanLDD, I took a great deal from the consultations I had as I wanted to feel comfortable with the surgeon I ultimately chose as 8 hours in the chair is a long time if you are feeling anxious about your choice of surgeon and clinic. Gut feeling plays a part as well as research.

 

I am sure you will make the right choice for you, though, and you have narrowed down a short list that all have solid reputations.

 

D&C

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Thanks D&C. When will you be uploading your 6 month pics? And yes, I think the consultations are important too.

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I'll be having my six month photos taken in around 5 weeks time and will post them up then. There is good progress from 3 months and I am sure you will be able to see the new hairline filling in on the six month photos.

 

Cheers

 

D&C

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Having a consultation with the doctor is one of the most important aspects of the research process. While it is not absolutely a must, it does add a dimension to the decision making process not found in online only consultations. I know of many cases where a patient came to the clinic and the photos provided during previous online consultations did not show the details that only can be revealed in person. Donor density can be a tricky thing to judge through photos or even via Skype. Always see the doctor in person first if at all possible.


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I couldn't agree more. For any elective, it is common practice to have a pre-operative consultation and that is what I have done in the past with shoulder surgery following sporting injuries. Why would anyone choose to rely on online research only before going under the knife? That makes no sense to me at all. If I am spending a significant amount of money on hair transplant surgery that is going to change my appearance, I definitely want to meet the person who is going to be doing the work.

 

I am so pleased that I met various surgeons, and also Spex who was very helpful, during my hairloss journey and it contributed significantly to me making the right decision for my own particular circumstances.

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I couldn't agree more. For any elective, it is common practice to have a pre-operative consultation and that is what I have done in the past with shoulder surgery following sporting injuries. Why would anyone choose to rely on online research only before going under the knife? That makes no sense to me at all. If I am spending a significant amount of money on hair transplant surgery that is going to change my appearance, I definitely want to meet the person who is going to be doing the work.

 

I am so pleased that I met various surgeons, and also Spex who was very helpful, during my hairloss journey and it contributed significantly to me making the right decision for my own particular circumstances.

 

OP had specific circumstances to consider because he's not on medication, but for most people there's nothing specifically that an in person consult ought to give you to alter the decision making process that you couldn't have researched online or done on an online consult. I've had multiple people actually message me regarding consults with prominent US surgeons listed on this forum saying that they got nothing out of them and asking if this is normal. These are top notch surgeons who have been on this forum long term as well with huge reputations.

 

The truth is that the thousands of available results and patient experiences available online for many surgeons tell you a lot more about your needs and expectations than what a doctor or their patient advisers can offer, which of course in all cases is going to be biased to some degree. Good research doesn't rely on someones words but rather their results and historical conduct.

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I think it’s ridiculous to say that there is nothing to be gained

from a face to face meeting with a surgeon and the majority of people on here would appear to agree that it’s beneficial. If I was hiring a builder or a plumber to work on my house I would do my research first to make a shortlist but I wouldn’t dream of hiring one of them until I’d met them and felt confident that they would deliver what they’d quoted for to a professional standard.

 

Clearly you’re a belligerent guy with a single minded attitude and that’s fine but you shouldn’t assume that your view is any more correct than mine or anyone else’s. I also didn’t like the way you referred to OP’s enquiries as mastabatory, this forum is a place where enquiries are welcomed.

 

I respect your opinion, you’re entitled to it but I would suggest making more of an attempt to see both sides of a discussion. We are all here for the same reason, to fix our hair loss, and there is more than one approach to doing that.

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I think it’s ridiculous to say that there is nothing to be gained

from a face to face meeting with a surgeon and the majority of people on here would appear to agree that it’s beneficial. If I was hiring a builder or a plumber to work on my house I would do my research first to make a shortlist but I wouldn’t dream of hiring one of them until I’d met them and felt confident that they would deliver what they’d quoted for to a professional standard.

 

Clearly you’re a belligerent guy with a single minded attitude and that’s fine but you shouldn’t assume that your view is any more correct than mine or anyone else’s. I also didn’t like the way you referred to OP’s enquiries as mastabatory, this forum is a place where enquiries are welcomed.

 

I respect your opinion, you’re entitled to it but I would suggest making more of an attempt to see both sides of a discussion. We are all here for the same reason, to fix our hair loss, and there is more than one approach to doing that.

 

"but I wouldn’t dream of hiring one of them until I’d met them and felt confident that they would deliver what they’d quoted for to a professional standard. "

 

If they had the best credentials, experience and reputation of any plumber in the world (lol), it's going to have to be a pretty horrific interview for them not to get the job. Patients also have all the time in the world to research, for an interview candidate it's a much more rapid process.

 

 

"Clearly you’re a belligerent guy with a single minded attitude and that’s fine but you shouldn’t assume that your view is any more correct than mine or anyone else’s. "

 

One is more correct than the other, and yours is the kind of attitude that gets people suckered into marketing and butchered. You went to a very good clinic and I'm glad it worked out for you, but particularly in a marketing heavy industry looking to get people in the door a face to face consult means a hell of a lot less than extensive research into experiences of other patients. And hey, I'd rather be belligerent than a moron like yourself who hypocritically uses the term single minded to describe my critique of your approach by insulting me and pretending that we should agree to disagree when you clearly haven't.

 

I also didn't say that there was nothing to be gained like you took completely out of context, I said for most situations they will not get anything more out of an in person consult than online consults and research that will aid in the decision making process.

 

I agree the "masturbatory" comment was silly, but there are a lot of people on here who wait 3 years, have a procedure with a top surgeon and have things go very poorly in terms of growth. Thinking of Dutchie, KO etc. Most people end up opting for a touch up too, 12 months of research, 12 months of waiting for consults, 6 months for the procedure, waiting 6 months for growth and repeating for a touch up is a very long time waiting for something that isn't a sure bet regardless. It's a relevant concern. It may bring peace of mind, but its not going to improve probability of a good result.

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I referred to your comment as ridiculous and I called you belligerent. Neither of those are personal insults. You, however, have chosen to call me a moron which is dropping the discussion down a couple of notches to childish. I don’t know how old you are but you are coming across as very immature. I’m a 50 year old solicitor with a lot of life experience and I know how to have a reasoned argument, it’s what I do for a living, but calling someone a moron in an online forum is unacceptable and I won’t engage with you any further for that reason.

 

I’m pleased that you found a good surgeon, we both did, and it doesn’t really matter how we got there. We will just have to agree to disagree on approach.

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"Clearly you’re a belligerent guy with a single minded attitude and that’s fine but you shouldn’t assume that your view is any more correct than mine or anyone else’s. "

 

One is more correct than the other, and yours is the kind of attitude that gets people suckered into marketing and butchered. You went to a very good clinic and I'm glad it worked out for you, but particularly in a marketing heavy industry looking to get people in the door a face to face consult means a hell of a lot less than extensive research into experiences of other patients. And hey, I'd rather be belligerent than a moron like yourself who hypocritically uses the term single minded to describe my critique of your approach by insulting me and pretending that we should agree to disagree when you clearly haven't.

 

Jean why did you call darkandcumbrian a moron ? You are clearly out of control and I'm surprised the mods let you away with it ..its not the first time you have insulted other users for no reason . Go out and get laid man you spend way too much time on here .

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Thanks Mick, we all deserve a basic level of courtesy whether we agree or disagree, insults only discourage people from posting and sharing their views.

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Thanks Mick, we all deserve a basic level of courtesy whether we agree or disagree, insults only discourage people from posting and sharing their views.

 

No problem in my opinion most people would agree with you that a hands on pre op consult

is advisable of course it's not a guarantee of success ,but it's going to give the doctor a true picture of density of donor etc rather than a Skype call or looking at pics.

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