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34 minutes ago, Kiwi Guy said:

If he mentioned them in this thread as having low intelligence then yes that is the point where your attacks on his character are valid. Disagreeing with his opinion on Asmed or his own hair transplant being subpar is not where your attacks hold legitimacy. You seem very worked up by this thread and reply to every comment he makes even though you believe his character is questionable... that seems like wasted energy.

I haven't said anything derogatory about them mate, I've only questioned Asmeds assertion that they have five years of medical experience since they are so young and, at least during my surgery, didn't act in a fashion I would attribute to a focused and involved medical professional. Someone else made the intelligence comment and I tried to interpret their meaning, I still don't think he was intentionally being racist but I digress.

If we can move away from Jean and the children's table for a moment, I really do think Gas and Mick are asking the pertinent questions here that need answering.

These are the answers you should demand from him Melvin, don't allow them to release another generic self masturbatory pr statement where they answer literally nothing.


 

 

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The only thing in Erdogan a statement that is concerning. is to make sure that you can choose him as your surgeon, and ensure  he’s doing the incisions as the other two surgeons are not recommended as far as I’m aware.

Atleast yet

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6 minutes ago, here said:

The only thing in Erdogan a statement that is concerning. is to make sure that you can choose him as your surgeon, and ensure  he’s doing the incisions as the other two surgeons are not recommended as far as I’m aware.

Atleast yet

Couldn't agree more. I wouldn't have gone ahead with my procedure if it wasn't Dr Erdogan making the incisions. 


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8 hours ago, Sean said:

Melvin, if the issues remain, what would be Payam’s remedy? It’s likely he would need another procedure of some sort to get adequate density and lateral angulation in frontal areas, but it comes with greater risks to scar tissue already formed / deprived tissue for recipient zone.  If not done right, it can cause ridging and cobblestoning plus further shockloss.  SMP would be a repetitive procedure for the rest of his life and costly long term. Shaving head is safe idea but with head shaved there may be loss of densities and scarring present.  At the end of the day, is a shaved head the goal after such a procedure?

What surgeon from the HTN list can his repair needs be taken care of or good starting point for consult?  In a case like this, is there any remedy?  In the end, Payam is obviously going through this, and would obviously like to get his situation resolved so he can move forward.  

What did Dr Erdogan say he is willing to do to remedy this case and what are the next steps?  I read a lot of the recent posts, but may have missed it.  

Some of the North American doctors, even recommended ones from this forum, have voiced concerns going to Turkey due to different surgical protocols.  Could there be elevated higher risks involved with certain surgical protocols?  

Hopefully, this situation is resolved soon as obviously it is concerning for many parties.  

It’s hard to say, we don’t even know what his results look like recently. The last results I saw probably a month ago or so looked decent imo just needed a little more density on one side. 

Dr. Erdogan, has expressed a willingness to do a free touch-up for all of his patients. However, it is clear that Payam is not interested in this at all. 

I don’t know what Payam wants to do, he hasn’t really spoken about what he’s going to do moving forward. 

IMO any surgeon in our list can add density and slightly refine the hairline. It’s not that bad. I’ve asked Payam at least twice to update us on his progress, which for some reason he ignores. 

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Jean,

name calling is totally uncalled for, there’s no reason to behave in such an aggressive manner. I understand tensions are high and you may find some opinions disrespectful, but under no circumstance should you resort to cursing or name calling. That’s not how we conduct conversations or discussions on this forum. 

Everyone, I know there’s two sides, those of you who feel one way and those who feel another. I will be discussing the response with Bill and Pat, honestly I found his response yo be enlightening and what he said made sense. However, I would like to know about the other surgeons. Just so you know, we do not recommend clinics we recommend doctors. So, we don’t technically recommend ASMED clinic we recommend Dr. Erdogan, so anyone who is visiting our site and choosing Dr. Erdogan, should be having incisions made by Dr. Erdogan regardless. Also, it could be that those surgeons are very talented and may even end up being recommended at some point. We need more information. Be patient. 

Also, Payam how can I demand answers from Dr. Erdogan, when I’ve asked you now three times to update us with your progress and you’ve ignored me every time. How is this being fair?

 

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

It’s hard to say, we don’t even know what his results look like recently. The last results I saw probably a month ago or so looked decent imo just needed a little more density on one side. 

Dr. Erdogan, has expressed a willingness to do a free touch-up for all of his patients. However, it is clear that Payam is not interested in this at all. 

I don’t know what Payam wants to do, he hasn’t really spoken about what he’s going to do moving forward. 

IMO any surgeon in our list can add density and slightly refine the hairline. It’s not that bad. I’ve asked Payam at least twice to update us on his progress, which for some reason he ignores. 

Melvin I actually think it is a big deal if he has 2 new doctors working there. We have to realise that these new doctors are not assisting in few surgeries going forward but theyre completely assuming the role of Dr erdogan on the few patients they look After. As Dr Erdogan himself said they will draw up the surgical plans etc... Now is that a problem ? Not really however nobody knows anything about these two doctors apart from their names they have no track record. I think it's important for you and other decision makers on this forum to ensure that any future results posted by the clinic must state wheather it was under the control of Dr Erdogan or the other two doctors. And if you remember the screen shot I posted above of 9 surgery rooms, i find it interesting that after this latest Erdogan email that they have deleted this video/picture from their Instagram account.

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2 minutes ago, FarsanUk said:

Melvin I actually think it is a big deal if he has 2 new doctors working there. We have to realise that these new doctors are not assisting in few surgeries going forward but theyre completely assume the role of Dr erdogan on the few patients they look After. As Dr Erdogan himself said they will draw up the surgical plans etc... Now is that a problem ? Not really however nobody knows anything about these two doctors apart from their names they have no track record. I think it's important for you and other decision makers on this forum to ensure that any future results posted by the clinic must state wheather it was under the control of Dr Erdogan or the other two doctors. And if you remember the screen shot I posted above of 9 surgery rooms, i find it interesting that after this latest Erdogan email that they have deleted this video/picture from their Instagram account.

See my previous response 


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1 hour ago, DEB1982 said:

Couldn't agree more. I wouldn't have gone ahead with my procedure if it wasn't Dr Erdogan making the incisions. 

But Dilek done the incisions on you 2nd time round who is not a recommended doctor on here.

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20 minutes ago, HT0416 said:

But Dilek done the incisions on you 2nd time round who is not a recommended doctor on here.

She did 23 incisions just to clear up your inaccurate statement. Dr Erdogan did 2500 incisions but I had 23 surplus grafts.


First Transplant: 5000 FUE grafts with Dr Koray Erdogan ASMED, December 2016

 

First Hair Transplant link: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/185564-5000-grafts-fue-13th-14th-december-asmed-dr-erdogan.html

 

 

Hair loss regime

 

Propecia 1mg daily

Saw Palmetto 450mg daily

Biotin 1000ug daily

MSM 1500mg daily

Pumpkin Seed Oil 1000mg daily

1% Nizoral shampoo weekly

Lasercomb x 3 weekly

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8 hours ago, FarsanUk said:

Why is nobody commenting on Dr Erdogan's statement ? He's finally reached out ....

Dr. Erdogan's Response:

Alp Bayramoglu, M.D., Phd and Mehmet Goker, M.D - Backgrounds ????? 

 As the largest hair restoration clinic in the world - False advertising

 As Medical Director of the Asmed Surgical Medical Center and operating within the laws and procedural policies outlined by the Turkish Health Ministry for the role of surgical assistants in surgical procedures, I have determined that the team approach is best suited to the field of hair restoration - Hmmmmm

 At Asmed we select specific surgical teams for each patient based on the technical difficulty of the procedure and on the patient’s individual characteristics - Different quality surgical teams  

who have a minimum of 5 years of experience in the hair restoration field for those performing extractions and a minimum of 3 years for those performing placements - So you say. Where do they get experience from? 

Additionally, all surgical assistants are required to perform 10,000 extractions and placements on the KE-Head, a life-like model prior to performing either on a live patient where they begun with 50 grafts???  and gradually increase according to their performance - Sounds like the 23 incisions left over

The surgeon’s calculations are verified both manually and through the use of the KE-BOT, a robot that scans the entire scalp’s surface in detail for the accuracy of the data.  The surgeon finally establishes the frontline design in conjunction with the patient’s goals and desires - Accuracy cant be that good, so many gaps within new hairlines showing density flaws, How accurate is KE-BOT?

 Once surgery has commenced, properly trained and licensed surgical assistants begin extractions according to the surgeon’s extraction plan. The surgical assistants, with the support of a stereoscopic microscope, are also responsible for the quality control of the grafts, the selection of single hair grafts for the frontline and temples and graft cleaning - Its easy saying this happens but thats not the case with my result and a few others. Microscopes new addition early 2018

Additionally, they are responsible for controlling the hair per graft average and documenting the speed of the extractions, both with the use of the Graft Calculator application - late 2016 you changed tools, old tool had a flaw it was making coarser hair curly when extracting and low % grow rate

Typically, I perform incisions for a maximum of 6 surgeries per day as I have always done, while the other staff surgeons perform incisions for additional surgeries on mostly Turkish patients. - Number of surgeries has defiantly increased

 The surgeon oversees the team throughout the procedure and makes adjustments to the surgical plan if required. Post-operatively, the team surgeon is responsible for all monitoring - You can hardly oversee a team from 9 separate monitors, no wonder quality control is suffering

 Hair restoration procedures are long and tedious, and as a result, concentration and accuracy can be affected by fatigue and strain - Cut down the number of surgerys per day

 It is for this reason that I consider a well-selected surgical team to be the perfect model for hair restoration surgical procedures. The results are self-evident both for the patient and for the team. Delegated responsibilities provide optimum surgical outcomes for the patient and relaxed attentive team members whose precision is top notch. I have been using this model without alteration since 2003 and the results have been documented. - $$$$$$$$$

 The new clinic has not changed us, it has just changed what we can offer the patient...positive results with the utmost care, comfort, precision and artistry - Results speak for themselves

 

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2 hours ago, HT0416 said:

The surgeon’s calculations are verified both manually and through the use of the KE-BOT, a robot that scans the entire scalp’s surface in detail for the accuracy of the data.  The surgeon finally establishes the frontline design in conjunction with the patient’s goals and desires - Accuracy cant be that good, so many gaps within new hairlines showing density flaws, How accurate is KE-BOT?

Seriously? What have density issues at 6 month+ to do with KE-BOT? Some questions/comments of you are valid, even though again not asked in a very objective manner, but some others (this is just an example) leave me with an open mouth. 

Maybe it is really better to wait for the next response of Erdogan (Melvin promised to ask again and I am trust him that he will do so) and the next set of pics from Payam before we open another sh.t storm. 

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Posted (edited)

I haven’t been keeping up with this thread too much since you guys post a novel each time, but I did read Erdogans response. I think the most alarming point he made in his “statement” is that  

“At Asmed we select specific surgical teams for each patient based on the technical difficulty of the procedure and on the patient’s individual characteristics”

should not every single procedure be treated with the utmost attention, skill, and oversight as the next? The way I interpret this in example form is: this man needs 2000 grafts for his temples. This shouldn’t be that hard. Let’s give him the B team. This man needs 5000 grafts to cover his whole head. Let’s give him the A+ team.. kinda concerning...

If anything, this thread turned me away from Asmed if I decide to get a procedure done in the future. No disrespect to Erdogan or ASMED as a whole or anyone in this thread that backs up the clinic. This forum is supposed to provide information for you to make your own decision, and that’s exactly what happened here. I want to be treated as a patient and not a head on a conveyor belt. This thread should get back on track and Payam should post his latest pics for an update. You guys really have too much time on your hands fighting on the internet.

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13 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Jean,

name calling is totally uncalled for, there’s no reason to behave in such an aggressive manner. I understand tensions are high and you may find some opinions disrespectful, but under no circumstance should you resort to cursing or name calling. That’s not how we conduct conversations or discussions on this forum. 

Everyone, I know there’s two sides, those of you who feel one way and those who feel another. I will be discussing the response with Bill and Pat, honestly I found his response yo be enlightening and what he said made sense. However, I would like to know about the other surgeons. Just so you know, we do not recommend clinics we recommend doctors. So, we don’t technically recommend ASMED clinic we recommend Dr. Erdogan, so anyone who is visiting our site and choosing Dr. Erdogan, should be having incisions made by Dr. Erdogan regardless. Also, it could be that those surgeons are very talented and may even end up being recommended at some point. We need more information. Be patient. 

Also, Payam how can I demand answers from Dr. Erdogan, when I’ve asked you now three times to update us with your progress and you’ve ignored me every time. How is this being fair?

 

Well put Melvin, good moderating.

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8 hours ago, jj51702 said:

How do I unsubscribe to this thread?

Agree! Nobody comments on my hair transplant journey. 🤗

 


 

 

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8 hours ago, jj51702 said:

How do I unsubscribe to this thread?

If you go on your account settings, you can change your subscription settings. I also believe there is an option at the top of the thread to unsubscribe if you are subscribed. In the future though, please ask the question as it’s posted above and don’t be using unnecessary profanity. 

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25 minutes ago, Kraistoff said:

Agree! Nobody comments on my hair transplant journey. 🤗

 

Kraistoff,

 Where is your hair transplant journey posted? Obviously if you posted it and nobody responded, we don’t want that to be the case. Did you create your own topic or did you piggyback off of somebody else’s? It’s smart to create your own so make sure you’ve done that. Please post a link to your topic so that we can respond. 

Bill

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8 minutes ago, Bill - Managing Publisher said:

Kraistoff,

 Where is your hair transplant journey posted? Obviously if you posted it and nobody responded, we don’t want that to be the case. Did you create your own topic or did you piggyback off of somebody else’s? It’s smart to create your own so make sure you’ve done that. Please post a link to your topic so that we can respond. 

Bill

Hi Bill, i sent you a PM can you check it please

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Posted (edited)

Might get more comments if I update the footer ......

 

how ow do I do this to have a link in my footer ?

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On 1/8/2019 at 5:53 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

It’s hard to say, we don’t even know what his results look like recently. The last results I saw probably a month ago or so looked decent imo just needed a little more density on one side. 

Dr. Erdogan, has expressed a willingness to do a free touch-up for all of his patients. However, it is clear that Payam is not interested in this at all. 

I don’t know what Payam wants to do, he hasn’t really spoken about what he’s going to do moving forward. 

IMO any surgeon in our list can add density and slightly refine the hairline. It’s not that bad. I’ve asked Payam at least twice to update us on his progress, which for some reason he ignores. 

I'm not ignoring you, I don't want to unnecessarily bump the thread (like I'm doing now) as it's already spammed with a lot of unrelated posts causing the important parts of this discussion to be lost. I am going on vacation so will stay away from this thread for a couple of weeks and update closer to the 11 month mark, I have not yet made my decision on which clinic to go with though


 

 

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It seems to me that Dr Erdogan's clinic does a robot or a digital scan of the head post the transplant or after the incisions are made. This scan should be able to spit out the density easily and perhaps thats what it does?  So clearly, we are all getting a pre-determined density on the recipient  area and should be satisfied unless just many of the transplanted hair just do not grow or are at incorrect angles, etc.,  The point I am making is the digital scan of the head should  immediately show the transplanted density and a patient should be able to get a print out of the same ? 

Also how detailed are these scans - if the software is good I am sure it can also calculate the donor extractions and also the number of incisions made, transplanted hair, etc ? 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, rocketmas said:

It seems to me that Dr Erdogan's clinic does a robot or a digital scan of the head post the transplant or after the incisions are made. This scan should be able to spit out the density easily and perhaps thats what it does?  So clearly, we are all getting a pre-determined density on the recipient  area and should be satisfied unless just many of the transplanted hair just do not grow or are at incorrect angles, etc.,  The point I am making is the digital scan of the head should  immediately show the transplanted density and a patient should be able to get a print out of the same ? 

Also how detailed are these scans - if the software is good I am sure it can also calculate the donor extractions and also the number of incisions made, transplanted hair, etc ? 

 

 

Have had ht at asmed and no the robot is part of the pre surgery planning and not done after surgery at any point.

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