3600 Grafts - Dr Koray Erdogan 13th March 2018

[Greg_Swanson]

27 minutes ago, Payam said:

Hey guys, here is a month 15 update for those still interested, really sorry for the delay, as I said I have been going through a rough patch in real life and have had to focus on that, I've been reading the forums though and other ASMED cases in particular.

I recently have had consultations with two of the worlds top clinics and have another one in August with another leading clinic, I have been quoted 1500 grafts to fix this by both, we will see what the third one says but I expect it to be similar. 

Photos are after a shower with hair blow dried. Here is a summary of the issues: 

Image 1 Left side: this is the same side as my videos, density is bad, so bad that my hair falls flat when I slick it that way as if I have a hole in my head, I cover this side by slicking over it as in image 2 and 3.

Image 2 Right side: density is better but not good enough, looks quite pluggy in person, the camera does make it look softer, this is the side I reveal when I style my hair as In image 2 and 3.

Image 3 front: growth was better here and I am relatively happy, pluggy due to doubles and triples but I can live with that, it's not noticeable if I feather my hair forward as in the picture. 

Crown: I will make a separate update with pictures for my crown, when wet it looks roughly like pre-op, when dry it looks better. I don't know what to expect in terms of cosmetic improvement with only 800 grafts here but I can at least make it look good with toppik which is good enough for me. 

The takeaway from my consultations were that:

1. I have fantastic hair quality, strength and caliber

2. There is nowhere near 2800 grafts growing in my frontal third. 

3. I have healed very nicely and my donor looks to have the capacity for a few thousand more grafts, also with my level of hairloss and its progression at 35 another procedure is not a big risk.

So there you have it, I'm not going to respond to the ASMED patients gloating about their great results, I think this type of behavior really speaks for itself. 

As for me deliberately trying to disparage the clinic, I only ask you to look at the recent results from this clinic and ask yourself if you with a clear conscience could recommend ASMED to a friend or family member.

To the other guys with lackluster results from this clinic, pm me if you want to talk or want advice on your options looking forward, thanks fellas. 

Hey mate,

Thanks for keeping with it, and staying with the updates.

Firstly, don't pay attention to those who need to gloat on another's post, simply to let the world know they're happy with their result.

Completely irrelevant, and borderline insecure.

Secondly, it's actually not too bad at all. We are our own harshest critic, and I think you still look good. Of course it could be better, but the good this is that one more procedure to tighten things up, and you will be on to a real winner.

All the best!

[Mick50]

Hi payam thanks for updating with photos as you would naturally style your hair . In my opinion it looks pretty good ,but yes you are correct the left side needs more density and refinement. 

I'm pleased to see there isn't any pitting or cobble stoning as you at one stage were concerned with ,shame about the left side as a pain to have to go for a second round to sort it out ,but overall thankfully has turned out not too bad ,is it a home-run as our American cousins say ,no it isn't ,but it certainly isn't a bodge job or anything like it , best of luck for the future .

[Baldrick101]

To be honest I'm perplexed at the assertion this needs 1500 grafts to "fix". Ok its not a home run but its not that bad! A 600 - 800 graft touch up would work wonders. 

[Sean]

Payam, glad you got professional opinions to validate concerns.  Remember, true lateral slits and attention to proper angulation can also help with the sparse areas as well.  I am hoping after all this is done with, you can successfully move forward.  I am in a very tough spot where my hairline in front where it was grafted looks totally unnatural and far more see through.  One takeaway is this, at least your scalp is not too scarred and I think a touch up in the right hands will correct this.  Thanks for sharing your updates and staying strong.  Best wishes.

[BjornBorg]

You are in a position where you can still achieve your desired result. And although this procedure was a failure, because let's just be honest and say it was, it didn't send you backwards from your starting position but rather some way towards where you want to be. There are guys who had botch jobs that ruined their lives. You are far from them!

 

Now stay strong and chose your path carefully.

[Payam]

@Melvin-Moderator thanks bro, we don't always see eye to eye but I can tell your heart is in the right place, I will for sure document my repair here

@Greg_Swansonthank you mate I appreciate it, it's sad really, this level of servility in grown men. I'm sad my hair isn't great, but all the happier I don't have a personality defect, in the end that's what matters most to others in your life

@Mick50 i have accepted it and frankly am looking forward to my next transplant so I can finally put this ordeal behind me, I would say it looks quite a bit worse to the naked eye but in the end I can cover it relatively well with a comb-over, it's the lost grafts and time I am most saddened by, thanks for the support from the very start mate I truly do appreciate it 

@Baldrick101 from what I understand transplanting into an impacted area will have less growth due to scar tissue, so they are forced to compensate by exaggerating the number of grafts needed to ensure a good result. I have 100% trust in the clinics I have consulted with in terms of ethics, I know they are looking out for my best interest and not their wallets.

@Sean I really hope your situation improves bro, no one deserves to go through this and I realize my case is not as bad as yours. I think you should look towards Konior and no one else, you need a specialist in every sense of the word and that man is a wizard when it comes to transplants, at least go for an in person consultation to see what he makes of your case. 

@BjornBorg I agree bro, it is a failure but not a botched horrorshow by any means, i realize it's unfair to those poor bastards that were butchered to call it that so for that I'm sorry. I am very disappointed though and unfortunately I am far from being alone in this. Luckily we're at a point now where more people are realizing something is wrong with this clinic, it feels good to know the negatives aren't being successfully suppressed by ASMEDs marketing team and sycophants. 

[munich]

Is it possible to get a refund? Not the whole sum but maybe a part of it? 

[Payam]

1 hour ago, munich said:

Is it possible to get a refund? Not the whole sum but maybe a part of it? 

I looked at your thread and I'm sorry bro, I know how it feels, you won't get a refund though. I have not spoken with a single person who managed to get a refund, best you will get is a free touch up and hope to God they don't screw it up again, but who in their right mind would take that risk? Especially with the recent results from this clinic. You are better off posting your result, not only on this forum but your native language forum as well if you have one and start planning for a repair at a clinic with high doctor involvement. 

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by Payam

[Der3k7]

57 minutes ago, Payam said:

I looked at your thread and I'm sorry bro, I know how it feels, you won't get a refund though. I have not spoken with a single person who managed to get a refund, best you will get is a free touch up and hope to God they don't screw it up again, but who in their right mind would take that risk? Especially with the recent results from this clinic. You are better off posting your result, not only on this forum but your native language forum as well if you have one and start planning for a repair at a clinic with high doctor involvement. 

 

Yeah I'm not going to use them again because it'll likely waste more grafts. However, since they offer free touch ups, it would actually be financially better for them to offer me a small refund as opposed to taking me for a free surgery because they could fill that surgery slot with a full paying customer rather than me, a customer they will be generating 0 more revenue from. They would net positive a higher amount by giving me a small refund and giving surgery to someone else who will be generating revenue for them.

I considering going to H&W next year 

 

Edit: oops I'm in so many threads I thought I was replying to one in mine. Sorry lol

Edited May 14, 2019 by Der3k7

[jonnyalex]

54 minutes ago, Payam said:

I looked at your thread and I'm sorry bro, I know how it feels, you won't get a refund though. I have not spoken with a single person who managed to get a refund, best you will get is a free touch up and hope to God they don't screw it up again, but who in their right mind would take that risk? Especially with the recent results from this clinic. You are better off posting your result, not only on this forum but your native language forum as well if you have one and start planning for a repair at a clinic with high doctor involvement. 

 

This is what I have just done. I am sitting in my hotel in Ankara ready to go back to London tomorrow. My hairline was nowhere near as bad as some of what I have seen lately from ASMED, but it was not not good at all and bothered me for many years since 2015. The experience with Dr. Keser was night and day to ASMED.. I literally have no words to describe the difference that having the doctor do everything himself makes. He even lowered my graft estimate by 100, the guy is seriously ethical. I was also told my donor was aggressively harvested and that ASMED's estimation that I began with 8000 grafts was way off. Hope I can finally be done with all this now. 

[Kraistoff]

Hello Johnny

 

sorry to jump in, but do you have a link to your original operation?

 

Chris  

[jonnyalex]

2 hours ago, Kraistoff said:

Hello Johnny

 

sorry to jump in, but do you have a link to your original operation?

 

Chris  

No, I didn't make a thread, I went to ASMED based on his results which seemed much better back then, not based on the messes we are seeing here. Trust me, I have since learnt things that his fellow professionals in the industry think about him which I'm not going to go as far as saying.

 

My experience there was bad. Its not how you are supposed to be treated during a cosmetic surgery that you pay a large amount of money for. I spent minutes with the surgeon, minutes! Everything behind the hairline was ok and it damn well better be for 4600 grafts when I only bloody needed 2000 according to my latest surgeon.

 

And to the people defending all these latest pluggy results. Please. Just stop.

 

My advice to anyone is go to a surgeon who performs the surgery himself. It seems like common sense when you say it out loud, right? I was younger but still should have known better.

[Payam]

On 5/14/2019 at 11:14 PM, jonnyalex said:

 

 

Edited May 24, 2019 by Payam

[dreamHair62]

On 5/15/2019 at 2:44 AM, jonnyalex said:

No, I didn't make a thread, I went to ASMED based on his results which seemed much better back then, not based on the messes we are seeing here. Trust me, I have since learnt things that his fellow professionals in the industry think about him which I'm not going to go as far as saying.

 

My experience there was bad. Its not how you are supposed to be treated during a cosmetic surgery that you pay a large amount of money for. I spent minutes with the surgeon, minutes! Everything behind the hairline was ok and it damn well better be for 4600 grafts when I only bloody needed 2000 according to my latest surgeon.

 

And to the people defending all these latest pluggy results. Please. Just stop.

 

My advice to anyone is go to a surgeon who performs the surgery himself. It seems like common sense when you say it out loud, right? I was younger but still should have known better.

 

[bismarck]

On 3/17/2018 at 4:23 AM, Payam said:

Day 3 post op

I am seeing some really bad gaps in my hairline today, coordinator at the clinic is saying it is completely normal but when i google answers from other surgeons and MD's they are saying it is NOT normal and that i should contact the surgeon immediately, which is impossible at this clinic, so i have to trust my coordinator for now..

I really hate how the Turkish clinics do this -- very unethical and below the standard of care for any Western medical practice.

[JohnBob]

On 10/10/2018 at 8:33 AM, Payam said:

I suppose you are right in that i felt something was wrong from the start.. i became discouraged and worried by the fact he had so many patients a day, and how little you actually saw the doctor, I genuinely thought I would sit and discuss my case with him, present and future for a length of time, and those very young girls performing the extractions.. i don't know

 

 

Well, Payams results ended up being nothing better than ok. I think his original hair is making things a little better than it is - if the whole hairline was composed of the transplanted hairline then it would look very HTish and the result would be downgraded one level to kinda of bad (definitely not butchery though). 

So considering most of us goes to the operation with the expectations of getting a result in the range of good-home run, in my opinion Payam has all the right to feel disappointed with a barely ok result. 

Also as the quote shows he had a bad gut feeling from the start and he ended up being right. It would make me insecure as well to barely see the doctor and to have the procedure done by technicians in their 20s. 

[JohnBob]

Similar area covered (if not bigger), less than half the grafts and at least twice the density that Payam got. 

 

You get what you pay for I guess. 

[consequence]

On 12/7/2018 at 12:40 PM, Payam said:

Painful result. Was OP's account banned? Would have really like to see where things ended up after the revision.