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The truth always comes out. No matter how nice somebody is doesn't mean they are good at what their doing. I have multi hair grafts in my hairline that shouldn't be there, my hairline is uniformly straight, hair angles are way off and hairline is low in density, i cant figure out where the 3000 grafts went.

It is negligence from the doctor letting this happen to me. Its all text book stuff any doctor should be getting right!!!! 

I haven't seen any results to see this has changed!!!! 

I think what you finding with Asmed/Erdogan people are not believing the lies anymore and people shilling. You only have to see all the results and see something not right.

You cant keep looking at 2010-2013 results. Those days are long gone!!!!

People disappear from the site because they are too embarrassed to post finished result, they contact Asmed they get a free touch up or discounted second surgery, years goes on....lives made miserable for one persons financial gain!!!!!

I got butchered when they were doing 4 surgerys a day in 2016, 6+ surgerys is just ridiculous. Doctor doesn't even have time to speak to his patients about their concerns!!!!!

Is Turkey even regulated?

 

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31 minutes ago, HT0416 said:

The truth always comes out. No matter how nice somebody is doesn't mean they are good at what their doing. I have multi hair grafts in my hairline that shouldn't be there, my hairline is uniformly straight, hair angles are way off and hairline is low in density, i cant figure out where the 3000 grafts went.

It is negligence from the doctor letting this happen to me. Its all text book stuff any doctor should be getting right!!!! 

I haven't seen any results to see this has changed!!!! 

I think what you finding with Asmed/Erdogan people are not believing the lies anymore and people shilling. You only have to see all the results and see something not right.

You cant keep looking at 2010-2013 results. Those days are long gone!!!!

People disappear from the site because they are too embarrassed to post finished result, they contact Asmed they get a free touch up or discounted second surgery, years goes on....lives made miserable for one persons financial gain!!!!!

I got butchered when they were doing 4 surgerys a day in 2016, 6+ surgerys is just ridiculous. Doctor doesn't even have time to speak to his patients about their concerns!!!!!

Is Turkey even regulated?

 

I honestly think this guy should be banned, Lord Baldwin literally did as detailed of a statistical analysis as is possible in this industry on his results with a larger sample size than you will be able to find with any other doctor and there were a significant number of positive results over 80% were from good to great. Over 50 patient posted in the past 18 months.  I've looked and there are more good Erdogan results than with any other surgeon, of course the number of patients he does aids this and he also has more patient posted results than any other surgeon routinely posted here too which will up this number. For HT0 to outright say there aren't "any" acceptable results isn't helpful to anyone, he knows its dishonest, and everyone else who has looked around knows it too. All it serves to do is concern noobies and put them off from the get-go when they start researching which is obviously the intention.

'I got butchered when they were doing 4 surgerys a day in 2016, 6+ surgerys is just ridiculous."

Literally everyone that saw his resulted when he posted it said it either looked good apart from minor concerns with the hairline design which is easily fixable and they consult you on 3 times at the clinic. Again this helps no one, you flat out weren't butchered. You'd get deservedly sued if you said this about a surgeon in your home country.

"I think what you finding with Asmed/Erdogan people are not believing the lies anymore and people shilling"

Another good technique for misleading people is to pretend there is some kind of bandwagon effect here, it was literally you and Payam who created the hysteria, no one else. Your surgery was from over 2 years ago. I've seen more bad Rahal and Cooley results in the past 3 years than Erdogan and both have less than a fifth of the amount of patient posted results, there isn't a tenth of the same hysteria however. Other clinics have the occasional bad results but they're lucky enough not to a select number of patients who are in the top 0.1% of extreme complaints and littering them for two years on a public forum. Your result isn't even below par in regards to growth either.

'People disappear from the site because they are too embarrassed to post finished result,"

Who? I've seen very few examples of this for Erdogan surgeries.

" Doctor doesn't even have time to speak to his patients about their concerns!!!!!"

I'm saying this in an objective sense from a companies perspective, you're an absolute nutjob and would only waste his time. You're constantly dishonest, have publicly made dishonest and harmful claims about his business including PMing multiple people to tell them to avoid the clinic (that have told me so), you've also rejected going back to the clinic for a touchup and have spent over two years criticising the clinic despite them offering to help. What is a phone call of him listening to a dishonest asshole that tries to trash their business, who will never be happy and doesn't want to go back going to help you? I think in 99% of cases a clinic should do their absolute best to help patients that aren't satisfied even if the patients expectations are too high  because its in their best interest as a business and morally its a good thing to do, but in your case you're just flat out dishonest and vindictive. You deserve to be ignored.

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1 hour ago, CatsMeow83 said:

I wasn't aware this was a paid gig.  How exactly does one go about getting one of these paid shill gigs?  

Asking for a friend.

JT has over twenty years experience in the industry and has worked for top clinics (including those recommended by this site, Rahal and Hasson/Wong),  networks with top-tier surgeons and regularly attends industry workshops etc. Also has high level production values in his vids and the majority of surgeons he supports for money are top-tier, most are represented by this website. Obviously its his work and he does it for money, but he does have high standards and is backed by experience, also as a repair patient who fixed himself up.

He might be a shill by definition, but there are shills who want to shill for helping people get the best results (and making money doing so), and shills that don't care whether they're helpful or not.

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Just now, JeanLDD said:

JT has over twenty years experience in the industry and has worked for top clinics (including those recommended by this site, Rahal and Hasson/Wong),  networks with top-tier surgeons and regularly attends industry workshops etc. Also has high level production values in his vids and the majority of surgeons he supports for money are top-tier, most are represented by this website. Obviously its his work and he does it for money, but he does have high standards and is backed by experience, also as a repair patient who fixed himself up.

He might be a shill by definition, but there are shills who want to shill for helping people get the best results (and making money doing so), and shills that don't care whether they're helpful or not.

Makes more sense with this added context.  When I read the earlier post it sounded like doctors were hiring freelancers to come onto forums and wreak havoc.  Sounded like easy money.  Was considering a career change.

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27 minutes ago, JeanLDD said:

JT has over twenty years experience in the industry and has worked for top clinics (including those recommended by this site, Rahal and Hasson/Wong),  networks with top-tier surgeons and regularly attends industry workshops etc. Also has high level production values in his vids and the majority of surgeons he supports for money are top-tier, most are represented by this website. Obviously its his work and he does it for money, but he does have high standards and is backed by experience, also as a repair patient who fixed himself up.

He might be a shill by definition, but there are shills who want to shill for helping people get the best results (and making money doing so), and shills that don't care whether they're helpful or not.

Although I can’t stand JT, jean makes some decent points. Most of the docs jt represents are doing good work.

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5 hours ago, DEB1982 said:

Having had procedures performed at both clinics and being completely honest I did find my experience at the new clinic to feel not quite as personal as my first procedure. On the day I had my procedure there were five other people also having procedures. I think with such a large clinic you will lose a little of that personal touch.

In reality though I spent as much time with Dr Erdogan this time around as I did for my first procedure so the model they use hasn’t changed at all, he is just doing it on a larger scale. I requested the same technicians as I previously had and I’m certain I will have another outstanding result and am not worried in the slightest. 

As someone else rightly said they seem to have the most coverage on this site and because of that the amount of unhappy patients will obviously increase somewhat.

I find it really unfair that posters like HT0416 make claims that he gives you a muff of hair that depleted your donor zone. You couldn’t be more wrong. Dr Erdogan cares about each individual patient more than you’d realise. They guy does more for innovating the FUE technique than any other surgeon I’m reading about. I’m not just sticking up for him and I think if there are concerns about a loss of quality control then the mods can give him a chance to explain but your comments are ridiculous when you look back over the past five years at the number of amazing results he’s provided. Of course within that you will have a percentage that aren’t happy. Slating his practice constantly get us or you nowhere. 

 

Good perspective @DEB1982....looking forward to how you progress as well as the recent others from the new clinic.

I think personal touch and experience is important in any surgical procedure.. I also think refining and advancing the FUE process is also...but...I think many are concerned that with greater scale and quantity comes a possible degradation in quality and results, how is it not physically tiring for 1 Doctor to run around from surgical room to surgical room performing 30-45min incisions on 6-10 patients and monitoring them all as well as monitoring his staff as well as doing consultations on a daily basis and who know what other tasks, I think Dr Erdogan needs to address that directly, either here or on video, I think if there were more skilled doctors at ASMED assisting in the scaled-up procedures and not just technicians or 1 single doctor, that it wouldn’t be much of a concern on scale of ongoing surgeries.

It would be great to see more in-depth video profiles/before&after on patients / techniques / new clinic on here or on ASMEDs YouTube channel or their social media but lately it just seems they’re not putting in the effort as they did years previously to be honest and have let it get stale...other than the occasional party/event/conference post....new updates would help counteract their detractors whom are purposefully overblowing their results as “botched” and are making ridiculous assertions when it’s obviously not the case.

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In an ideal world everyone would  do their due diligence etc  before having a hair transplant but they don't ,most guys who opt for a hair transplant     don't  come onto this website and they are at the  mercy of how economical a clinic is with the truth and how they choose to present themselves on their websites etc .

Asmed in my opinion are no more guilty of misrepresenting  themselves than most other top tier clinics in the states etc , not going to even go there with UK clinics, shower of sharks with 2 or 3 notable exceptions  .Take for example a top  New York clinic who are recommended on this site   ,the well know Doc decides to bring in a partner with limited experience and put his name along side his on   the website ,  someone who has done no research will presume that both Docs have similar experience and case histories to present etc ,to add insult to injury the original Doc who has built up his reputation over the last 20 years or so from what can be gathered doesn't even perform surgeries  anymore ,talk about being economical with the truth ,a classic example.    

I will add the junior Doc who partnered  up with the more experienced Doc seems to be a talented  and decent chap I even voted for him when he was up for recommendation,  but at that stage I thought the more experienced Doc would also be doing surgeries as well  not retiring to making model aeroplanes or whatever he gets up to .

I personally think Dr Erdogan should publicly  address the concerns/issues people have , but as I've said before on this thread I haven't seen anyone been butchered maybe a few below par results but  all clinics have them , if I am honest I really don't think all techs are created equal no matter how good the training is ,but as long as people are aware that the clinic can do up to 6 surgeries a day they can then decide if it's for them or maybe go to  a more bespoke clinic where there is more Doc involvement  .

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mick50 said:

In an ideal world everyone would  do their due diligence etc  before having a hair transplant but they don't ,most guys who opt for a hair transplant     don't  come onto this website and they are at the  mercy of how economical a clinic is with the truth and how they choose to present themselves on their websites etc .

Asmed in my opinion are no more guilty of misrepresenting  themselves than most other top tier clinics in the states etc , not going to even go there with UK clinics, shower of sharks with 2 or 3 notable exceptions  .Take for example a top  New York clinic who are recommended on this site   ,the well know Doc decides to bring in a partner with limited experience and put his name along side his on   the website ,  someone who has done no research will presume that both Docs have similar experience and case histories to present etc ,to add insult to injury the original Doc who has built up his reputation over the last 20 years or so from what can be gathered doesn't even perform surgeries  anymore ,talk about being economical with the truth ,a classic example.    

I will add the junior Doc who partnered  up with the more experienced Doc seems to be a talented  and decent chap I even voted for him when he was up for recommendation,  but at that stage I thought the more experienced Doc would also be doing surgeries as well  not retiring to making model aeroplanes or whatever he gets up to .

I personally think Dr Erdogan should publicly  address the concerns/issues people have , but as I've said before on this thread I haven't seen anyone been butchered maybe a few below par results but  all clinics have them , if I am honest I really don't think all techs are created equal no matter how good the training is ,but as long as people are aware that the clinic can do up to 6 surgeries a day they can then decide if it's for them or maybe go to  a more bespoke clinic where there is more Doc involvement  .

 

 

 

This is the problem right here, as people are NOT aware of the multiple surgeries unless they scour the forums, I went into this thinking Asmed offered a premium service and instead I was hoisted onto the conveyor belt at Asmed's FUE Factory where everything was rushed and impersonal. How can anyone think a setup like Asmed will ever retain the finesse and artistry required to make for a natural and undetectable hair transplant? And now they have upped the number of surgeries even more, it's all very unethical

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H&W Asian techs are MILES ahead of Erdogan's techs - it's not even close.

1) Better intelligence & hand-eye coordination

2) Longer/better more experienced training.

3) I am sure the average age of H&W techs is older and I am 100% sure that the vast majority of hair techs employed by H&W have some medical background (Nurse, etc...)

4) I guarantee H&W techs interact real-time and in so much better granular detail with each doctor.

5) Finally, H&W took some of Erdogan's best of the best initial talent - had their techs interact and now H&W FUE is top 5 in the world.  Simple as.

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Erdogan's approach now is ludicrous.  Mr. 50K gross per day and he chills in his 9 monitor room 75% of his day.   Have you noticed how he dis-engaged from the forums?  He'll take the hits here and expand his marketing (don't get me started on his marketing youtube videos from years ago) and hire more 20 year-old Turkish girls w/no medical background and limited training and keep ballin'~~

Some shameful ethics imho.  It's a money grab now and he is looking to optimize his profit model w/the least amount of personal involvement as possible.

It's a factory w/average results - and I suspect a lower-than FUE survival rate than top-tier FUE surgeons.  Oh, the techs who are supposedly examining each graft under a microscope probably aren't even doing that 100% of the time or correctly.

Finally, although I believe Erdogan's incision reception sites are angled properly, those techs are just banging those grafts in there as fast as they can while they laugh and listen to music and gossip among themselves in a foreign language.

It's a shame.  Had he stayed intimately involved in 1 surgery per day, used his most experienced techs (2 or 3) that are the best of the best and he had a bit more artistic approach to hairlines - this guy could be charging $4-6 USD per graft or maybe even more and not have to be a factory.

Turkey really is a moneygrab for 99% of the surgeons there.  Erdogan is building up his wealth quickly once he saw he could automate his earlier work. 

That, to me for a physician, is laugable. 

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Guys, 

This conversation has gotten ridiculous. The comments of some technicians being of a certain ethnicity, older and having higher intelligence is ludicrous. I don’t see why race or ethnic backgrounds are even being brought up, but discussions like these are not tolerated on this forum. 

I have e-mailed Dr. Erdogan, to respond to the allegations made in this thread. Until then, I suggest we keep this conversation strictly about hair transplants and not ethnic backgrounds. 

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I remember researching a long while back and it was considered bad practice to have more than 2 small/medium cases per day. Now 6 patients per day with each receiving up to 3000 grafts is considered fine? At what point does it become a money grab/mill? Genuine question without trying to be inflammatory. I don’t think it’s feasible to for one doctor to monitor even 3 cases of that size per day, let alone twice that.

I know techs do a lot of work but I think they should be nothing more than assistants to a Dr doing the work. Now it’s normal for the techs to do 99% of the work whilst you still pay Dr prices. 

I think the main question is, if you genuinely care about patients and want them to have the best result, do you think it’s better to take less cases and spend more time and involvement with each patient rather than taking 6 per day? If not, it would suggest that maximizing profit/money is more important. There’s literally no other reason to take on so many patients per day other than to make as much money as possible. That is not in the interest of patients whose results are obviously going to suffer.

 

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Who have i been messaging saying not to go to Asmed? Another false accusation Jean. 

 Hows Hair Transplant 2 coming along not seen an update in awhile? 

I counted 9 operating rooms, maybe some of Erdogans staff have passed level 2 training and now do incisions.

 

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Jesus, what is going on here? This is the second time (at least the second time I read it) someone is making racist comments on Turkish people in this forum. This is really crazy and has nth to do with HT or ASMED.

Thanks, for stepping in Melvin, but in my opinion there have to be consequences.

On top: How can we expect Erdogan to answer publicly I such an hostile and racist  environment? 

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1 hour ago, Gasthoerer said:

Jesus, what is going on here? This is the second time (at least the second time I read it) someone is making racist comments on Turkish people in this forum. This is really crazy and has nth to do with HT or ASMED.

Thanks, for stepping in Melvin, but in my opinion there have to be consequences.

On top: How can we expect Erdogan to answer publicly I such an hostile and racist  environment? 

Sorry but what comments? I don't see anyone writing anything disparaging about turkish people anywhere? Can you link these comments to me? 

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1 hour ago, Payam said:

Sorry but what comments? I don't see anyone writing anything disparaging about turkish people anywhere? Can you link these comments to me? 

Come on, do pretend to be stupid

Just read the first sentence of jj latest post. Even melvin has already answered it. 

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53 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

Come on, do pretend to be stupid

Just read the first sentence of jj latest post. Even melvin has already answered it. 

Stop this nonsense man he wasn't being racist. He emphasized that H&W employs asian techs but said nothing disparaging about turkish people, only that H&W has superior techs because they have medical backgrounds. There is no racism here and this coming from someone with middle eastern ethnicity. The point about intelligence is clearly about their graft handling intelligence, at least that is how I interpreted it.

His post made very valid points though, Erdogan employs very young girls with no medical background and isn't there to supervise them during extractions or implantation, you can email him yourself and they will refuse to disclose any information about their techs academic backgrounds, and for good reason. If he was more involved in the process I'm sure we would see more natural results coming out this clinic, right now I'm not at all surprised about the state of my hair all things considered.

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14 minutes ago, Payam said:

Stop this nonsense man he wasn't being racist. He emphasized that H&W employs asian techs but said nothing disparaging about turkish people, only that H&W has superior techs because they have medical backgrounds. There is no racism here and this coming from someone with middle eastern ethnicity. The point about intelligence is clearly about their graft handling intelligence, at least that is how I interpreted it.

His post made very valid points though, Erdogan employs very young girls with no medical background and isn't there to supervise them during extractions or implantation, you can email him yourself and they will refuse to disclose any information about their techs academic backgrounds, and for good reason. If he was more involved in the process I'm sure we would see more natural results coming out this clinic, right now I'm not at all surprised about the state of my hair all things considered.

Those same techs provided an outstanding result for myself. Point being that because you are unhappy with your result doesn’t mean that his model doesn’t work. It just hasn’t worked for yourself. 

You are making a lot of assumptions which is why it would be best to wait and hear what Dr Erdogan has to say on the matter himself. 

There is also Dilek who many of you are forgetting. She is a partner at Asmed and has been with Dr Erdogan since the beginning. She is also constantly on hand and on both of my surgeries she was in to check on me and also made a small number of incisions when I had surplus grafts. 

Your post implies there are many bad cases coming out of Asmed but this isn’t so. There are a couple on here who are unhappy and if there are multiple procedures every day then they must still be doing something right. 


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1 hour ago, DEB1982 said:

There is also Dilek who many of you are forgetting. She is a partner at Asmed and has been with Dr Erdogan since the beginning. She is also constantly on hand and on both of my surgeries she was in to check on me and also made a small number of incisions when I had surplus grafts. 

This is why i am not going back. Dr Erdogan is now getting his techs to cut open patients skin to do small job incisions. Surplus grafts or not this is not right. Treating patients like guinea pigs so his staff get the practice.

No one even knows whats qualifications the techs have, for all we know techs could just have the Dr Erdogan nod after a weeks worth of training.

1 hour ago, DEB1982 said:

Your post implies there are many bad cases coming out of Asmed but this isn’t so. There are a couple on here who are unhappy and if there are multiple procedures every day then they must still be doing something right. 

I think you find you were unhappy with density thats why you went back for a second transplant. Nearly every thread has a problem with either the hairline, density or multi hair grafts. Alot of people say nothing and go back and get the repair/touch up

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29 minutes ago, HT0416 said:

This is why i am not going back. Dr Erdogan is now getting his techs to cut open patients skin to do small job incisions. Surplus grafts or not this is not right. Treating patients like guinea pigs so his staff get the practice.

No one even knows whats qualifications the techs have, for all we know techs could just have the Dr Erdogan nod after a weeks worth of training.

I think you find you were unhappy with density thats why you went back for a second transplant. Nearly every thread has a problem with either the hairline, density or multi hair grafts. Alot of people say nothing and go back and get the repair/touch up

You are changing what I’ve said to suit your own agenda and to that effect there is no point me continuing commenting on this thread.

Just to be certain for anyone else reading. Dilek is not a technician and no technicians make incisions. Dr Erdogan certainly wouldn’t treat his patients like guinea pigs either. I’ve spent time speaking to him and he has the best interest of every patient at heart. 

As for my own results, I was never unhappy with the density. You are wrong with that statement. I was realistic with my expectations and knew that I would need a second pass before I had the first procedure. Many wouldn’t have had a second pass being in my position as they all commented on here. I chose too. 

Every patient on here has an issue with density. We all want more of it. If you are anything more than a Norwood 2 than you will always be chasing that one.


First Transplant: 5000 FUE grafts with Dr Koray Erdogan ASMED, December 2016

 

First Hair Transplant link: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/185564-5000-grafts-fue-13th-14th-december-asmed-dr-erdogan.html

 

 

Hair loss regime

 

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Dilek was one of the techs at the time of my surgery. If I remember she did the right side of my frontal which has alot of multi hair grafts and grafts at the wrong angles.

Is Dilek now a doctor?

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6 minutes ago, HT0416 said:

Dilek was one of the techs at the time of my surgery. If I remember she did the right side of my frontal which has alot of multi hair grafts and grafts at the wrong angles.

Is Dilek now a doctor?

You must have had your procedure along time ago then as even at my first procedure two years ago Dilek was not a technician. 

I am unsure on her title but I know she is a partner of Asmed and has been in the business since it’s creation. 

Grafts at the wrong angles is all to do with the incisions made anyway so would have nothing to do with any technician. During both my procedures I was continuously told that they were putting single graft in the hair line. 


First Transplant: 5000 FUE grafts with Dr Koray Erdogan ASMED, December 2016

 

First Hair Transplant link: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/185564-5000-grafts-fue-13th-14th-december-asmed-dr-erdogan.html

 

 

Hair loss regime

 

Propecia 1mg daily

Saw Palmetto 450mg daily

Biotin 1000ug daily

MSM 1500mg daily

Pumpkin Seed Oil 1000mg daily

1% Nizoral shampoo weekly

Lasercomb x 3 weekly

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4 hours ago, Payam said:

Stop this nonsense man he wasn't being racist. He emphasized that H&W employs asian techs but said nothing disparaging about turkish people, only that H&W has superior techs because they have medical backgrounds. There is no racism here and this coming from someone with middle eastern ethnicity. The point about intelligence is clearly about their graft handling intelligence, at least that is how I interpreted it.

His post made very valid points though, Erdogan employs very young girls with no medical background and isn't there to supervise them during extractions or implantation, you can email him yourself and they will refuse to disclose any information about their techs academic backgrounds, and for good reason. If he was more involved in the process I'm sure we would see more natural results coming out this clinic, right now I'm not at all surprised about the state of my hair all things considered.

That was me; you are correct sir!  Always remember, physicans are real people too - we are talking about difference in doctor approaches in the end. 

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4 hours ago, Payam said:

Stop this nonsense man he wasn't being racist.

Payam,

I supported you from the beginning. I also understand that you are not happy and dislike the approach of ASMED. I am also not a fan of the clinic (I like his graft calculation tools and videos though).  

It is also obvious that there are many much worse results (less growth even with FUT than yours, worse hairlines design than HT's, Cases with wrong angles and multies in the hairline, Cases with extraction at only one side of the donor) by a lot of north American clinics in the very recent past. But they get much less heat than Turkish clinics in this forum. I get it. 

What I do not get and do not overlook is racism (not this time, not the last time when the word "sheep herder"was used to describe Turkish techs in another thread). This is clearly a racist statement by JJ and if you seriously do not get it, I am happy to rephrase it for you (and JJ) in a PM:

18 hours ago, jjsrader said:

H&W Asian techs are MILES ahead of Erdogan's (Turkish /added by me) techs - it's not even close.

1) Better intelligence & hand-eye coordination

Melvin, immediately reacted (thank you again) but has just chosen nicer words than me:

14 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

This conversation has gotten ridiculous. The comments of some technicians being of a certain ethnicity, older and having higher intelligence is ludicrous. I don’t see why race or ethnic backgrounds are even being brought up, but discussions like these are not tolerated on this forum. . 

Going to turkey and complain about people speaking Turkish (like JJ did) is stupid.

Call ASMED techs in general worse than H&W techs is stupid (as some ASMED techs do FUE much longer than H&W and H&W learned FUE from ASMED). 

Make a generalization and bring race/ethnics into play is not only stupid, it is racist, period. Even though technically most techs of Erdogan would be Asian, but that is another story.

How can you guys seriously complain about the way the clinics interacts with you, considering the way you behave in here? 

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When I was at h&w . There was only 2 Asian techs.  Majority of them are white Canadians .. n yes I would prefer the techs from cananda over techs from turkey .. the standard is higher in North America. Therefore they have a better education background n training .. n techs at h&w are 5-15 years experience working with them .. it’s like a small family over there .. I used to like Erdogan ,but it’s becoming a fancy state of the art hairmill .. the best hair mill in turkey .. . it comes down to this .. u want to save money and go overseas . Then go for it .. 

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Guys, 

I’m noticing an alarming trend of making bold statements without proof or facts. Just because a person is older does not automatically make them of higher intelligence or better. The bringing up of ethnic backgrounds isn’t necessary because frankly, it doesn’t matter. Furthermore, we don’t know their medical background so we can’t comment on that.

However, I will say this, just because you have a degree that doesn’t automatically make you better at a certain aspect of surgery. Even Hasson and Wong admit that their techs are better at extractions than they are, that’s fair and nothing is wrong with that. At the end of the day I want the most qualified person doing the job regardless of race, gender, age or medical background. 

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