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3600 Grafts - Dr Koray Erdogan 13th March 2018

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@SquidwardYes, Asmed also wrote me an email explaining that the guarantee is 90% of survival rate and that they believe that most of the times the survival rate is higher. That is one of the reasons why I chose them. If you get +90% survival rate you get a great result (at worst 10% fewer grafts which shouldn't be too bad) and if you don't get 90% they fix it for you.

So @Payam, think about this, you have that guarantee too, but I assume that you have to wait one year for that.

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8 hours ago, Payam said:

Hey is that you in the picture? What a great result you got, happy for you bro. I really do need a touch up though unless i have an explosion of sprouts which i doubt, but i will wait until month 8 or 9 before i book as i think any staggering sprouts should at least be visible by then. 

Yes. That's me. The point of the pic is that hair changes, month to month - texture, growth, density. Like you, I was contemplating a touch up even at the 9th month but then everything came together for me at the 11th month.

Right now you just got to suck it up and let some time pass. Your hair need to mature first so you can make a decision that's more based on facts than emotion.

 

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Squidward, you make a great point on saving money.  If surgery fails and you paid 7000$ vs 30000$ then you obviously have more money.  Not a lot of American docs offer refunds nor help, they may try to do repairs again and fail or etc.  you are kind of held hostage.  I can see your point here.  But there are few docs with gaurantees.  You just have to document really well though. 

A lot of docs prey on folks and do not fully inform, just so they can get you in the chair.  I do not believe that I am out to help you storyline at all anymore by some folks in this industry.  Some docs will even try to put words in your mouth when things seem to go downhill.  Business is business.  Be a good documenter and things will be easier.    Best thing is to teach out to authentic repair patients. But try to find ones that are not biased.  

Payam is certainly doing his best here and  hoping things change by the end of the year for him.  At this stage, result is obviously not there yet.  That is a fact.  It is a waiting game and we’ll all see how his clinic responds.  

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On 10/14/2018 at 3:21 AM, Sean said:

Squidward, you make a great point on saving money.  If surgery fails and you paid 7000$ vs 30000$ then you obviously have more money.  Not a lot of American docs offer refunds nor help, they may try to do repairs again and fail or etc.  you are kind of held hostage.  I can see your point here.  But there are few docs with gaurantees.  You just have to document really well though. 

A lot of docs prey on folks and do not fully inform, just so they can get you in the chair.  I do not believe that I am out to help you storyline at all anymore by some folks in this industry.  Some docs will even try to put words in your mouth when things seem to go downhill.  Business is business.  Be a good documenter and things will be easier.    Best thing is to teach out to authentic repair patients. But try to find ones that are not biased.  

Payam is certainly doing his best here and  hoping things change by the end of the year for him.  At this stage, result is obviously not there yet.  That is a fact.  It is a waiting game and we’ll all see how his clinic responds.  

Money is not the issue for me, lost grafts are much much worse, they are priceless.

While I wish I had kept my cool earlier in the thread as it is easier to antagonize and discard an emotional response, I don't regret arguing that there are a number of recent sub par and what I would consider failed Asmed results, and I still firmly believe that it is due to the techs as the clinic very rarely did badly when Koray and his head tech Dilek had more involvement. It is important for me to look at the facts and get to the bottom of what happened here so that I can plan for the future.

 

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Not seen a good Asmed result in a few years maybe longer theres not many if you look closely. Graft angles and density are major issues at Asmed. I agree with Payam if newly trained technicians are handling grafts and Dr Erdogan jumping from one room to the next or watching via cctv, how on earth you going to get a solid result. Patients are not in and out jobbys, they want a natural result. Would like to hear from someone on here who is a professional in this field to give an unbiased opinion on some of the results coming out of Asmed.

Also another bashing when hairline is drawn it is just a rounded curve, no thought on part sides, how patient is going to style for future, just a curve.

When you get a below par result you are screwed and have to rely on existing hair and fin to be able to cover bad low density  hair transplant.

I think their could be some confusion when incisions are made from dr and graft placing from techs.

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2 hours ago, HT0416 said:

Not seen a good Asmed result in a few years maybe longer theres not many if you look closely. 

ASMED is not my first choice clinic either but this is certainly not true. 

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On 10/16/2018 at 4:22 PM, Gasthoerer said:

ASMED is not my first choice clinic either but this is certainly not true. 

I agree with Gas, we should be able to criticize the clinic but try to be constructive man, they have certainly had great recent results no doubt

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It's just my opinion, we all have one. 

Hair transplant are never going to look good if hair grafts look like plugs sticking out. Successful hair transplants are meant to be undetectable.

I am hoping to see some solid results in next couple months.

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Payam, why do you disapprove his message when many recent Asmed patients have shared exactly the same concerns, including you? You only disagree with him on two subjective points: good results ratio and hairline design.

Regarding hairlines, it's totally subjective, I like Koray's design but I understand that it might look artificial to others. It depends on your original hairline and face considerably, but it's quite different to what Feriduni would do, to name two doctors I asked. I liked Koray's hairline because it looked good on my face. So it's both subjective and it's influenced by your face and original hairline. Mine looks great on my face and it's similar to my hairline before the loss (I keep the temples). If others don't like them, that's okay.

Results? I have seen a few awesome results but also some others that lack density even after one year, you have seen them too. So yes, I agree with you not all but not any are bad. I have realised that some people consider a good result what others wouldn't but I believe that this is partly influenced by two facts. Firstly, trying to cheer up the patients; secondly protecting the doctors' reputation. I find some cases to not be good or bad, but enough and slightly disappointing. I also check the pre-HT photos because it's not the same covering the front than covering almost the full top of the head. I also pay special attention at the front and the overall homogeneity so basic hairstyles can be done and hair looks consistent overall.

I can't comment on my results at all because I had it done just over two months ago. I would say it's going well this far because I see small thin hairs already but it's so early and uncertain at this stage that I consider that it's pointless to try to reach any conclusion and that doing that would confuse me and confuse other people.

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Hey Payam,

Just skimmed over this thread and I totally agree where you are coming from but as annoying as it sounds it’s a waiting game and looking at your 7 month progress another 5 months should get you a decent result. If not people will till you to wait another 6 months!

I am scheduled to see Asmed in Dec to get my HT. I hope your comms with him has made him sort out any issues they “may have “with techs.

I must admit this has made me worry a bit since I hardly see any negative comments about the clinic but again with the changing workforce throughout the years and tech stability/mood on the day makes it hard to maintain a flawless reputation.

Keep us posted on progress

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11 hours ago, HT0416 said:

It's just my opinion, we all have one. 

Hair transplant are never going to look good if hair grafts look like plugs sticking out. Successful hair transplants are meant to be undetectable.

I am hoping to see some solid results in next couple months.

I mostly agree with you, even if my surgery had a great yield It would probably not look that great due to all the doubles in my hairline, at least it would not look as bad as it does now

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16 hours ago, BigBen said:

Payam, why do you disapprove his message when many recent Asmed patients have shared exactly the same concerns, including you? You only disagree with him on two subjective points: good results ratio and hairline design.

Regarding hairlines, it's totally subjective, I like Koray's design but I understand that it might look artificial to others. It depends on your original hairline and face considerably, but it's quite different to what Feriduni would do, to name two doctors I asked. I liked Koray's hairline because it looked good on my face. So it's both subjective and it's influenced by your face and original hairline. Mine looks great on my face and it's similar to my hairline before the loss (I keep the temples). If others don't like them, that's okay.

Results? I have seen a few awesome results but also some others that lack density even after one year, you have seen them too. So yes, I agree with you not all but not any are bad. I have realised that some people consider a good result what others wouldn't but I believe that this is partly influenced by two facts. Firstly, trying to cheer up the patients; secondly protecting the doctors' reputation. I find some cases to not be good or bad, but enough and slightly disappointing. I also check the pre-HT photos because it's not the same covering the front than covering almost the full top of the head. I also pay special attention at the front and the overall homogeneity so basic hairstyles can be done and hair looks consistent overall.

I can't comment on my results at all because I had it done just over two months ago. I would say it's going well this far because I see small thin hairs already but it's so early and uncertain at this stage that I consider that it's pointless to try to reach any conclusion and that doing that would confuse me and confuse other people.

No i agree with him, i think looking logically at it you introduce a lot of unknowns with having this many patients a day, everything to maximize profits i guess. I am over 7 months and i have never been this self conscious about my hair, it looks really bad in real life, peoples eyes keep drifting to my hairline when I speak with them and I understand why, my camera adds noise to the pictures making them look better and the hairline softer, in real life it looks like black toothpicks stick from my head. I have to hide the hairline like these two guys, which absolutely sucks but will have to do for now as I can't handle the looks I get, trying to get other opinions in my case from professionals in the field as well. 

 

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The good thing, Payam, is that Asmed has this 90% surviving grafts guarantee so if you don't get that go back to them like other disappointed patients have done and keep us posted. We appreciate their sincerity so we know how Asmed deals with their not so good results. It's early though, you have to wait at least one year for the definitive result. I know that time goes slow after a HT but there's nothing we can do but wait. In the meantime, remember to eat healthy (including fruit, vitamins...). I'd recommend minoxidil and finasteride which is what most doctors and patients recommend (I don't remember if you use them or not). I have used finasteride since I was 19 or 20 and one month after the HT (as recommended by the doctor) I went back to minoxidil, now foam instead of liquid. I keep buying the shampoo that Asmed use (Seba Med Everyday) because I like it.

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I am experiencing very minor cracking as well. Thanks to this thread, I m not freaking out. I am day 4 post op now. It’s very minor, but it’s there.

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