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No, you didn't simply change your mind. You agreed to not post on MY threads but "reserved" the right to comment as you wished on other threads not started by me. This thread was started by me.

 

And why do you follow me around online anyway ? I don't know you. We've never met nor have we ever spoken. But when you constantly harass me online and even tell viewers of this site to actively not consider me for surgery I don't think it's "telling you what to do" by demanding that you stop. I think any doctor targeted by you as I have been would demand the same thing and be justified in doing so.

 

Your focus on me is simply creepy and I have asked the moderators to step in.

 

 

Yes I did agree to not post on your threads, and then after thinking about it some more, I changed my mind. Last I checked, there is no law against changing one's mind. Like I said previously, you certainly do not have the right to EVER dictate to me what I can and can not do on a public forum. I am posting my opinion on threads that interest me the most, and where I feel the need to chime in. My posts are fully in compliance with the terms and conditions of this site, nor do I intend to deviate from this. My posting history is there for the Moderators to see, and I am confident that your allegations against me are unfounded. I have supported you and your position on FUT vs FUE previously, and I have also spoken out against you when I disagreed.

 

Why so sensitive at me calling you out? Why is it my position against your recent behaviour that is touching such a nerve? If you don't believe what you did to the Lupanzula video was illegal, unethical or in bad taste, then why did you pull it down and wipe out any sign of its existence?

 

You have been very vocal in your criticism of FUE, and for the most part I still don't have a reason to disagree with the position that you have laid out for us. However, I think it is important for folks to know the following:

 

1) your position on FUE seems to just be based on your own experience performing the surgery

2) I understand that you have not attended an ISHRS or other conference in person in years

3) you appear to be unaware of who exactly the new and upcoming FUE surgeons actually are. Dr Lupanzula is a well respected FUE surgeon recommended by this very site and who actually presented/gave a demonstration at a FUE conference hosted by Erdogan in 2015 and which was attended by some heavy hitters like Shapiro, Wong, Feriduni, Lorenzo and others. Yet, you yourself admitted you had never heard of Dr Lupanzula until he posted on this thread.

4) I am not even convinced you have seen a live FUE from one of these top FUE surgeons in recent years. I could be wrong on this point.

 

Based on the above 4 points, I question if you are really keeping abreast of the latest developments in the FUE industry to be able to make the assertions about FUE that you have been making. My opinion of course.

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You have been very vocal in your criticism of FUE, and for the most part I still don't have a reason to disagree with the position that you have laid out for us..

 

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Feller Medical, PC

Great Neck, NY

 

Dr. Alan Feller is a member of the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians

 

Providing FUT, FUE, and mFUE

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Thank you for the reply.

 

Just to clarify:

 

 

 

So the rate of grafts scored but failed to deliver was 4%. Just for the general audience reading, this means that 4% of the grafts were scored around with the FUE punch, but could not be pulled free with forceps (tweezers) so they were left behind.

 

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For either of the doctors, these grafts that were scored but could not be pulled free, what happens with them in the scalp. Do they continue to grow as normal, do they die forever, something else altogether? if they survive and continue to grow can they possibly be extracted down the road again?.

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A question for the proponents of FUT - if I currently have long hair that's tied into a ponytail, will that have to be cut off or can be FUT be carried out without shaving the donor area?

 

If the latter is the case, won't FUT be the superior option for those who don't want to have their donor area shaved?

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A question for the proponents of FUT - if I currently have long hair that's tied into a ponytail, will that have to be cut off or can be FUT be carried out without shaving the donor area?

 

If the latter is the case, won't FUT be the superior option for those who don't want to have their donor area shaved?

 

Yes, this is a big plus. A lot of women go this way (FUT with partial shaving) for very similiar reasons.

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You share a case where 100 grafts were extracted via FUE, re-implanted with an implanter pen, and a 99% regrowth rate was observed. I am not surprised by this data. As has been said many times before, slow, meticulous small FUE sessions are the best way to minimize trauma and maximize growth. Although forces are present on all grafts during FUE, it is truly the "brute force speed" utilized during FUE mega sessions that causes real problems on a large scale.

 

Dr. Bloxham,

 

are you serious with this answer? So the three forces will not apply for small sessions and/or when going slow? In this case 99 % growth would be the norm for you? Much ado about nothing? (Cause if you find a solution for 100 grafts there are simple solutions for 1000 as well).

 

It is again very hard to align this with what Dr. Feller (and you) have stated in this very thread before.

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There's famous clinics performing manual FUE megasessions on a daily base, they are well documented in this same forum and consistent with it. The results are clearly showing high regrowth ratios.

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A question for the proponents of FUT - if I currently have long hair that's tied into a ponytail, will that have to be cut off or can be FUT be carried out without shaving the donor area?

 

If the latter is the case, won't FUT be the superior option for those who don't want to have their donor area shaved?

 

Yes FUT is the clear winner if not shaving the donor is important. They tape the hair above the chosen strip up out of the way and put a gauze pad down around the bottom then shave the strip itself and maybe a little bit on either side to make the incisions easier. Once it's done and sutured up your hair on top covers it.

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Mav, I would just like to repost the following that you wrote because I believe it is important for Dr. Feller to answer.

 

"1) your position on FUE seems to just be based on your own experience performing the surgery

2) I understand that you have not attended an ISHRS or other conference in person in years

3) you appear to be unaware of who exactly the new and upcoming FUE surgeons actually are. Dr Lupanzula is a well respected FUE surgeon recommended by this very site and who actually presented/gave a demonstration at a FUE conference hosted by Erdogan in 2015 and which was attended by some heavy hitters like Shapiro, Wong, Feriduni, Lorenzo and others. Yet, you yourself admitted you had never heard of Dr Lupanzula until he posted on this thread.

4) I am not even convinced you have seen a live FUE from one of these top FUE surgeons in recent years. I could be wrong on this point. "

 

Not being aware of Erdogan and Lupanzula as a hair transplant doctor in 2017, especially considering their work on the research and FUE conference circuit is outright shameful. Not only is it a terrible look, but it looks very, very hard to believe. It looks like desperation, particular considering Dr. Feller's claims that FUE isn't popular or growing in popular. Clearly an outright lie or pure ignorance of what the available ISHRS data about the growth in FUE procedures indicates. Shouldn't a top doctor be paying attention to facts and statistics? One would hope so.

 

Again I think everyone agrees with the crux of Dr. Feller's argument as to why FUT is the better procedure for most, however there is clearly a lot of dishonesty and inflammatory, unrealistic rhetoric going on. There are FUE surgeons like Erdogan and Lorenzo who are consistently producing better results than 90% of FUT surgeons when looking at similar graft counts and hair textures, regardless of whether FUT is the better procedure.

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Dr. Bloxham,

 

are you serious with this answer? So the three forces will not apply for small sessions and/or when going slow? In this case 99 % growth would be the norm for you? Much ado about nothing? (Cause if you find a solution for 100 grafts there are simple solutions for 1000 as well).

 

It is again very hard to align this with what Dr. Feller (and you) have stated in this very thread before.

 

Gas,

 

Regardless of what I post and how many times I genuinely have answered your questions, you continue to twist my words and post falsities.

 

I never said detrimental forces don't apply when going slow. In fact, I said the EXACT opposite. I stated that the forces are always apparent during FUE extraction. However, the best way to minimize trauma is to go slow and focus on small cases. Do you really think you can't be slower and more careful when you have to remove 100 grafts in a set amount of time versus 2,500 grafts in a set amount of time? If I told you that you had 2 minutes to walk 10 yards holding an egg on a spoon without dropping it, do you think you would break less if you could make several slow, careful trips with only a couple of them; or do you think you would break less if I said you had to rush as fast as you can and move dozens of them?

 

And sure you can extrapolate the same care with 2,500 grafts if you can do it with 100. All you need is about a month do to the surgery.

 

I'm very disappointed in your last few responses, and therefore this will be my last one to you.

Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network.

 

 

Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation

 

Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center.

 

Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles.

 

Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation.

 

Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician.

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Again I think everyone agrees with the crux of Dr. Feller's argument as to why FUT is the better procedure for most.

 

Excellent. Sharing this truth was the objective the entire time.

Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network.

 

 

Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation

 

Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center.

 

Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles.

 

Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation.

 

Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician.

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Dr. Bloxham,

You make it really hard to believe, that you are interested in a discussion. Your 180 ° turnaround doesn’t help either.

 

1. I'm very disappointed in your last few responses, and therefore this will be my last one to you.

In a discussion where several threads had to be closed and the mods had to step in several times, (and your own partner being the centre of all that) my words are now so “harsh” that you do not want to answer? Sound like a big time excuse to me.

 

Either you do not want to answer cause the answer does not fit your agenda or you do not know the answer.

 

2. Regardless of what I post and how many times I genuinely have answered your questions…

Regardless how often you repeat it, you do not have answered any of my questions (in this particular topic, in other topics you well have). These questions happened to be not only my own, but a collection from several users including Dr. Lupanzula. The key questions are so few, you could answer in 5 minutes. You just refuse to do it. Here are the (main) questions again:

 

Why is the FUT growth so low (86 %) in these studies. Why can you claim 98 % if the study you refer to claims much less?

 

Does the Beehner studies involve an automated fully rotating device (which would be the worst one can do, according to your own words)? Would this affect the FUE results, which were at terrible 61.4 %? Are the other “issues” like wrong storage of the grafts?

 

From the many numbers which Dr. Feller and you have posted. Which one do you finally see as average for FUE for a good candidate in a good clinic? Where does this number come from?

 

Does FUT (just by removing the strip) thins out the donor or will the density remain the same (which many members believe due to your statements)?

 

Is the reason that there are no FUE-mills in the US the “Failure to disclose damaged graft percentage” like posted from Dr. Feller?

 

3. … you continue to twist my words and post falsities. I never said detrimental forces don't apply when going slow. In fact, I said the EXACT opposite. I stated that the forces are always apparent during FUE extraction. However, the best way to minimize trauma is to go slow and focus on small cases.

Come one, I do not spin your clinic’s words. Dr. Feller said it loud and clear so many times (and you happily nodded in the video): The detrimental forces apply in FUE. No one has overcome them so far. These forces are the (major) reason that there is poor growth. Again the quotes of the different values:

 

Feller:“Growth rates from FUE usually start at 75% that of FUT and go well down from there”.

 

Feller:"What I can't understand is how the poorer growth guaranteed with the FUE…”

Feller: “Fut grafts 98% survival rate...fue grafts at best 85 %, more like 50 %”

 

You claim is now: The forces are still there, but the trauma can be minimized by going slow. You then expect (!) 99 % growth. 99 %! Before we were talking ranges between 50 – 70 %.

 

4. Do you really think you can't be slower and more careful when you have to remove 100 grafts in a set amount of time versus 2,500 grafts in a set amount of time? …All you need is about a month do to the surgery.

Honestly? Now, it is the time effect? I thought it is the “force”, which always occur and lead to the bad results? And no, you do not need a “month”: If Dr. Vories required 2 hours for 100 grafts (1.2 minutes per graft), one would need 6 days for 2500 grafts, when working 8 hours a day. Why not ask him how long he took for the 100?

 

And even if you do need that long: One could have several people working in parallel, one could do several sessions or … one could just practice. The Guitar hasn’t changed since decades and yet random teenagers in the internet master their instruments better (faster play with less errors) than the guitar heroes from the past (crazy analogy, but way better than yours about the "eggs").

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Rappy, clearly you haven't understood anything from reading this thread. There will be no alternative to FUE or FUT, it is a physical impossibility.

 

Just get an FUT or go with a top FUE doctor like Lupanzula, Erdogan, Feriduni, Lorenzo etc.

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Mav, I would just like to repost the following that you wrote because I believe it is important for Dr. Feller to answer.

 

"1) your position on FUE seems to just be based on your own experience performing the surgery

2) I understand that you have not attended an ISHRS or other conference in person in years

3) you appear to be unaware of who exactly the new and upcoming FUE surgeons actually are. Dr Lupanzula is a well respected FUE surgeon recommended by this very site and who actually presented/gave a demonstration at a FUE conference hosted by Erdogan in 2015 and which was attended by some heavy hitters like Shapiro, Wong, Feriduni, Lorenzo and others. Yet, you yourself admitted you had never heard of Dr Lupanzula until he posted on this thread.

4) I am not even convinced you have seen a live FUE from one of these top FUE surgeons in recent years. I could be wrong on this point. "

 

Not being aware of Erdogan and Lupanzula as a hair transplant doctor in 2017, especially considering their work on the research and FUE conference circuit is outright shameful. Not only is it a terrible look, but it looks very, very hard to believe. It looks like desperation, particular considering Dr. Feller's claims that FUE isn't popular or growing in popular. Clearly an outright lie or pure ignorance of what the available ISHRS data about the growth in FUE procedures indicates. Shouldn't a top doctor be payingo attention to facts and statistics? One would hope so..

 

He won't answer, defend or address these points because they are valid. Same reason he is complaining about me to the Moderators to get them to silence me. I am not questioning the factual accuracy of the information that he is putting out, but I do think he starts to lose credibility when one considers that it appears he is not following or staying on top of the recent advances in FUE or at least the execution of it, and therefore may no longer be in a position to then argue that FUE surgeons haven't been able to overcome his so called detrimental forces. At some point, basing the argument so heavily on one's own experience performing the surgery without careful consideration to what others may be doing - just doesn't cut it, and one quickly starts to lose credibility. He knows this, and I suspect that the fact I keep bringing it to light is one of the reasons he wants to silence me so badly.

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What ever happened to mFUE? Wasn't that the so-called "alternative" to FUE with strip-like results? I'm surprised to barely see it mentioned at all anymore. Can Dr. Bloxham or Feller please expand on their results with mFUE? Thanks

1st Procedure, Oct. 2012 - 1,704 grafts FUT w/Dr. True

2nd Procedure, Sept. 2015 - 2500 grafts FUE w/Dr. Vories

 

FUE Progress - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/180966-my-experience-w-dr-vories-2-500-grafts.html

FUE 1 year result - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184716-1-year-results-2-500-grafts-w-dr-vories.html

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What ever happened to mFUE? Wasn't that the so-called "alternative" to FUE with strip-like results? I'm surprised to barely see it mentioned at all anymore. Can Dr. Bloxham or Feller please expand on their results with mFUE? Thanks

 

Stay tuned.

Dr. Blake Bloxham is recommended by the Hair Transplant Network.

 

 

Hair restoration physician - Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation

 

Previously "Future_HT_Doc" or "Blake_Bloxham" - forum co-moderator and editorial assistant for the Hair Transplant Network, Hair Restoration Network, Hair Loss Q&A blog, and Hair Loss Learning Center.

 

Click here to read my previous answers to hair loss and hair restoration questions, editorials, commentaries, and educational articles.

 

Now practicing hair transplant surgery with Coalition hair restoration physician Dr Alan Feller at our New York practice: Feller and Bloxham Hair Transplantation.

 

Please note: my advice does not constitute as medical advice. All medical questions and concerns should be addressed by a personal physician.

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Stay tuned.

 

Thanks!

1st Procedure, Oct. 2012 - 1,704 grafts FUT w/Dr. True

2nd Procedure, Sept. 2015 - 2500 grafts FUE w/Dr. Vories

 

FUE Progress - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/180966-my-experience-w-dr-vories-2-500-grafts.html

FUE 1 year result - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184716-1-year-results-2-500-grafts-w-dr-vories.html

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Stay tuned.

 

Dr Bloxham - I assume this means you or Dr Feller will be responding to this comment in the (hopefully) near future. If that is the case, can you outline exactly what it is please? To my untrained eye, it is just strip surgery i.e FUT. I don't see the difference at all.

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To my untrained eye, it is just strip surgery i.e FUT. I don't see the difference at all.

 

There is an entire Thread about it! Why do we not discuss this topic there were it belongs? This will avoid confusion. There are enough unanswered questions here without mFUE.

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There is an entire Thread about it! Why do we not discuss this topic there were it belongs? This will avoid confusion. There are enough unanswered questions here without mFUE.

 

Yeah a new thread is fine. There is a lot of talk from the clinic that FUE has not advanced at all, but apparently it's already been "modified" to obtain strip-like results - an advancement to remove the three detrimental forces. Therefore I was just surprised it has not been mentioned here.

1st Procedure, Oct. 2012 - 1,704 grafts FUT w/Dr. True

2nd Procedure, Sept. 2015 - 2500 grafts FUE w/Dr. Vories

 

FUE Progress - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/180966-my-experience-w-dr-vories-2-500-grafts.html

FUE 1 year result - http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184716-1-year-results-2-500-grafts-w-dr-vories.html

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I am wondering what set of data Dr. Feller is using when he writes "Indeed, FUE causes 13 times the amount of vascular trauma," as compared to FUT surgery. How did you deduce that FUE causes 13 times the amount of trauma as opposed to say 2X or 5X or 9X, etc. Is it based on information in a peer reviewed medical journal?

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It's probably cited from another US FUT surgeon pissed off he's losing business to European FUE surgeons, so they made the number up and threw it out there as medical literature.

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