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Unfortunately your observations and analysis are not on point. Not because you are not intelligent or

not dedicated to figuring things out, but because you don't live in the HT world as a profession- nor perform the procedures yourself. You only see it from the outside lay view which is a completely different view. The extent of your HT field of view is this forum. But imagine if you were a doctor who saw thousands of hair transplant patients every year. Don't you think your perspective might change just a little bit ?

 

Apparently I can't convince you, and many others, about the truth of FUE. All I can do is convey the facts and hope they take root before too many more patients become FUE victims.

 

We have been getting great feedback from patients who have read these posts and viewed our videos and were thankful to be given the realities of both procedures. In the end they almost always choose FUT.

 

Please keep viewing our videos and commenting. Thanks !

 

Quite the contrary you've convinced me towards the reality of fue and I thank you for that, you've taught me much and I fully accept the reality of fut being the gold standard so it is not that I'm not getting the message, I'm just discussing the degree to which that is the case which I think is fair to do. I would love for the doctors to come on here and answer if they think that 3k fue grafts is = to 2k fut grafts, I just didn't think they would come on and answer so I left it to the members to discuss. In an ideal world, I'd love to see it put to the test, 2 patients similar needs, characteristics, 2k fut from Dr Bloxham/Feller and 3k fue from Dr Lupanzula who has argued for the merits of fue, lets put the numbers to the test but I understand too many variables and nobody is signing up for that but it'd be a fun little experiment.

 

I accept my that my lay view is limited but we've been presented with docs who also felt that the discrepancy between the 2 procedures isn't to the level you're stating, one is well known fut clinic Hasson and Wong...I respect your expertise but on what basis should I not accept there's as they too have thousands of operations under their belts. So I've got experts on both sides and I'm just trying to get to the truth in there and it helps to see it yourself ...I am trying to see what you're saying in terms of numbers in the results we're presented with, patient experiences come up all the time, these aren't hand picked best of clinic works I'm looking at.. At some point if the numbers are that one sided, the results and the numbers should meet even over a smaller sample size. I can see a difference, but 35% better on the low end better...I'm just not seeing it so far/yet.

 

I still thank you for all you've taught me and don't think it hasn't registered but even when you were educating, I still looked into every thing you said and concluded for myself if I believed it. That is the same process I am going thru now. I won't just accept every thing I'm told at face value, and neither would you.

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I don't think these questions have ever been dodged. But just in case ...

1) Post random (=always changing) growth rates of FUE (and FUT)

 

We have posted the studies from Dr. Beehner (two different ones) and Wesley multiple times. These numbers are slightly different, but they still show around the same: 70-75% growth yield on average for FUE. Industry accepted standard for FUT growth after multiple, multiple studies is 95-98%.

 

2) Not answering with clarification after being questioned about this numbers several times

 

See above. Just because people don't like the data, doesn't mean they get to outright dismiss it or claim we aren't posting it. Studies in this field are light compared to others in general. Dr. Beehner and Wesley have studied in a controlled and respectable fashion and published the data.

 

3) Not backing them up with facts or not answering the serious questions to the few poor data which were given.

 

If you have better data supporting your perspective, please post it. I don't have control over the number of studies that have been done on this subject. When I present my own, it's called subjective or biased. So all I can present are the objective studies done by others. If you have conflicting data, it's on you to present it.

 

4) Answer in another thread with an offensive video and title after finally another clinic had joined the discussion (who raised similar questions).

 

You probably missed the first time this happened in the exact manner, but the clinic in question really didn't "join" the debate. They came in, admitted that detrimental forces on grafts exist, claimed they had overcome them but refused to clarify how -- even after a moderator asked for clarification, and then made some silly comments about people coming to train at their clinic, argued over whether something happened 15 or 17 years before, and then used a 12 year old post to try and end the argument before running from the debate. There was no evidence provided, nor was there any "entry" made.

 

5) Post “results” of a hollywood actor, who never admitted to have surgery, to promote FUT. You cannot know if he had FUE or FUT and on top he is probably using concealers/topic/partial wig etc. on this picture as it is from the Oscars event.

 

I don't know who posted pictures of a hollywood actor to promote FUT, but I assure you it wasn't my clinic.

6) Not answering serious questions about negative aspects of FUT at all (like thinning in the donor) or even giving misleading answers.

 

Again, this was answered; you simply didn't like the answer. There is a difference. Please refer to Dr. Feller's post.

7) Connect “damaged grafts” with existence of FUE clinics in the US

 

Incorrect. No one ever stated that the poorer yields with FUE is not why you don't see FUE-only clinics in the USA. We stated, correctly so, that the practice of FUE tech mills is illegal (or certainly very, very risky) in the US (see case law in Florida and Virginia) and that is why you only see it in certain areas of the globe.

 

I truly hope this answers these issues.

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Mikey,

 

Interesting proposition. But think about it another way:

 

Some of the things FUE clinics do to make up for these lower yields and less dense results from FUE megasessions include:

 

-Bringing patients back in multiple times over a short period and only posting the "before" and the final "after" as the result while minimizing the number of procedures.

 

-Over-estimating graft count, over-harvesting the donor, and over-packing the recipient site area to the point where a patient may experience a real problem like necrosis.

 

Have any members seen this?

 

I took that first point into account and tried to look only at patient experiences as they tend to be, this is my procedure from hopefully start to finish instead of looking at what the clinics present which could be susceptible to that kind of manipulation.

 

What do you mean by over-estimating the graft count, do you mean in terms of telling people that they have more available grafts than they should (ie venturing outside the safe zone) ?

 

I would also be interested to hear if members did see times that the top fue clinics were in their opinion over-packing recipient sites and over-harvesting donor supplies and better yet if they can link to that case, it'd be interesting to find out. I off the top of my head can't think of examples I've seen of either from those clinics tho I will take a look. I tend to think over-harvesting and over-packing the recipient to the point of possible necrosis would be inexperienced or unscrupulous clinics/mills vs the type of docs I talked about but I am prepared to stand corrected.

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Notice no FUE practitioners have come on to debate these statements ? They never do.

 

There is a simple reason for it...they can't.

 

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Not true and you know it.

 

1) Dr Lupanzula and Dr Bhatti have both come on to debate you

2) When Dr Lupanzula recently did so on this very thread, you then proceeded to take copy-write protected video of the said Dr performing a procedure from another source, purposefully hide the JT logo, and then completely tear the thing apart when in my opinion was unfair and uncalled for. The backlash was so bad that you even took down the video.

 

FUE practioners do not not come on to debate these statements not because they can't, but because they don't want to be subjected to similar unprofesional treatment dished out to Dr Lupanzula. It's disappointing they don't join the debate, but I don't blame them for not wanting to engage in something that potentially ends up the same way the last one did.

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"Not true and you know it.

 

1) Dr Lupanzula and Dr Bhatti have both come on to debate you"

 

AGREE.

 

LETS NOT FORGET DR. JIM HARRIS AS WELL WHO LATER RETRACTED HIS STATEMENT AFTER MANY FOLKS HAD ALREADY A CHANCE TO VIEW HIS OBJECTIVE OPINION.

 

DR MICHAEL VORIES ALSO HAS JOINED THE DEBATE AND HAS DISAGREED WITH BOTH DR. FELLER AND BLAKE ON MANY ACCOUNTS.

 

SO THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR WELL RESPECTED SURGEONS WHO HAVE DISAGREED, AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR ANOTHER FUT/FUE HT SURGEON TO JOIN THE DR. FELLER CRUSADE OTHER THAN BLAKE.........

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Incorrect on all accounts. Seriously.

 

All of the aforementioned doctors came in swinging but left before any real debate could take place. And all left many questions unanswered.

 

What's more, not a single one ever said they left or removed comments because they felt people were being "mean" or "unprofessional." If they felt this way, they likely would have said so.

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"Not true and you know it.

 

1) Dr Lupanzula and Dr Bhatti have both come on to debate you"

 

AGREE.

 

LETS NOT FORGET DR. JIM HARRIS AS WELL WHO LATER RETRACTED HIS STATEMENT AFTER MANY FOLKS HAD ALREADY A CHANCE TO VIEW HIS OBJECTIVE OPINION.

 

DR MICHAEL VORIES ALSO HAS JOINED THE DEBATE AND HAS DISAGREED WITH BOTH DR. FELLER AND BLAKE ON MANY ACCOUNTS.

 

SO THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR WELL RESPECTED SURGEONS WHO HAVE DISAGREED, AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR ANOTHER FUT/FUE HT SURGEON TO JOIN THE DR. FELLER CRUSADE OTHER THAN BLAKE.........

 

As far as I can tell Dr. Bloxham is right, how those three detrimental forces have been overcome was never explained, and frankly I can't even begin to imagine how they would be without violating the laws of physics but I'm not a surgeon so my knowledge on the subject is obviously limited. There are cases of great FUE results that appear to match FUT so obviously it's possible to move a couple thousand grafts and have them survive the ordeal well enough to grow in healthy, or maybe those patients just had ideal physical characteristics for the procedure which combined with the great surgeons doing the work is what minimized the forces on the grafts as they were extracted. More studies need to be done obviously.

 

There's no question it's a procedure that requires a lot of experience and skill to pull off consistently well. This makes all the FUE tech mills popping up very concerning, so many guys are getting burned by misleading marketing about how it's this new great procedure that's scarless and supersedes strip in every way. The over harvested/damaged/halo'd/moth eaten looking donor is becoming the new version of the old-school bigass strip scar.

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Quite the contrary you've convinced me towards the reality of fue and I thank you for that, you've taught me much and I fully accept the reality of fut being the gold standard so it is not that I'm not getting the message, I'm just discussing the degree to which that is the case which I think is fair to do. I would love for the doctors to come on here and answer if they think that 3k fue grafts is = to 2k fut grafts, I just didn't think they would come on and answer so I left it to the members to discuss. In an ideal world, I'd love to see it put to the test, 2 patients similar needs, characteristics, 2k fut from Dr Bloxham/Feller and 3k fue from Dr Lupanzula who has argued for the merits of fue, lets put the numbers to the test but I understand too many variables and nobody is signing up for that but it'd be a fun little experiment.

 

I accept my that my lay view is limited but we've been presented with docs who also felt that the discrepancy between the 2 procedures isn't to the level you're stating, one is well known fut clinic Hasson and Wong...I respect your expertise but on what basis should I not accept there's as they too have thousands of operations under their belts. So I've got experts on both sides and I'm just trying to get to the truth in there and it helps to see it yourself ...I am trying to see what you're saying in terms of numbers in the results we're presented with, patient experiences come up all the time, these aren't hand picked best of clinic works I'm looking at.. At some point if the numbers are that one sided, the results and the numbers should meet even over a smaller sample size. I can see a difference, but 35% better on the low end better...I'm just not seeing it so far/yet.

 

I still thank you for all you've taught me and don't think it hasn't registered but even when you were educating, I still looked into every thing you said and concluded for myself if I believed it. That is the same process I am going thru now. I won't just accept every thing I'm told at face value, and neither would you.

 

 

If the difference between FUE and FUT were so small then FUT would no longer be offered or performed. Doesn't that make sense ?

 

Look at the videos of surgery posted by FUE doctors themselves on this site performing the FUE procedure.Anyone can plainly see that the grafts are being handled much more harshly and aggressively than in the FUT procedure. This isn't even debatable.

 

So why would doctors knowingly perform a surgical procedure they know, or should know, causes more damage to both the grafts and the donor area ? What do you think ?

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Not true and you know it.

 

1) Dr Lupanzula and Dr Bhatti have both come on to debate you

2) When Dr Lupanzula recently did so on this very thread, you then proceeded to take copy-write protected video of the said Dr performing a procedure from another source, purposefully hide the JT logo, and then completely tear the thing apart when in my opinion was unfair and uncalled for. The backlash was so bad that you even took down the video.

 

FUE practioners do not not come on to debate these statements not because they can't, but because they don't want to be subjected to similar unprofesional treatment dished out to Dr Lupanzula. It's disappointing they don't join the debate, but I don't blame them for not wanting to engage in something that potentially ends up the same way the last one did.

 

 

 

Lupanzula and Bhatti did not debate me, they made claims I proved were false using their own video presentations and they fled the discussion. But I know you know that.

 

Sorry, no copyright violations under Fair Use, but I have no doubt you know that. You just love to spin things and harass me for some strange reason when you are not overtly cheerleading for your doctor and trying to send patients his way. Your agenda is obvious.

 

I went through your recent posting history and you only come on to cheerlead your doctor or denigrate me. No other doctor, just me. I don't know what your problem is but i have never met you nor even spoken with you and your consistent pattern of stalking is getting out of hand. I will report this to the moderator.

 

 

By the way, didn't you apologize and promise never to come onto one of my threads again when I proved you were very mistaken about another assumption you made about me and posted online ? You should demonstrate some honor and decency by holding up your end of the bargain by not posting in my threads again like you claimed you would.

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"Not true and you know it.

 

1) Dr Lupanzula and Dr Bhatti have both come on to debate you"

 

AGREE.

 

LETS NOT FORGET DR. JIM HARRIS AS WELL WHO LATER RETRACTED HIS STATEMENT AFTER MANY FOLKS HAD ALREADY A CHANCE TO VIEW HIS OBJECTIVE OPINION.

 

DR MICHAEL VORIES ALSO HAS JOINED THE DEBATE AND HAS DISAGREED WITH BOTH DR. FELLER AND BLAKE ON MANY ACCOUNTS.

 

SO THERE HAVE BEEN FOUR WELL RESPECTED SURGEONS WHO HAVE DISAGREED, AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR ANOTHER FUT/FUE HT SURGEON TO JOIN THE DR. FELLER CRUSADE OTHER THAN BLAKE.........

 

These doctors have shown up. That's true. And I thanked and gave credit to each one in writing for doing so when their FUE colleagues would not.

 

However, not a single one of those doctors discussed nor demonstrated that they have addressed the three detrimental forces that afflict the FUE procedure-much less reduced or eliminated them. Until they do no claims of advancement in the FUE procedure can validly be made. And no claim of parity with FUT can reasonably be made either.

 

FUT/FUE surgeons do not need to come on here. They are not the ones making the FUE claims. But if you want to "hear" from the FUT/FUE surgical crowd they tell you every day where they stand on the FUE vs. FUT issue, all you need to do is know how to listen:

 

Look at their websites- H@W, Rahal, Shapiro, T@D, Cooley, Alexander, Gabel, Konior

All show mostly FUT procedure results and virtually no FUE results. Look at the cases they themselves choose to post on this site every month. You can be sure they pick the very best result they can find for the month because they know it will be scrutinized for years and become the basis upon which they are judged professionally-these results are almost always FUT results. Why do you think that is ?

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However, not a single one of those doctors discussed nor demonstrated that they have addressed the three detrimental forces that afflict the FUE procedure-much less reduced or eliminated them. Until they do no claims of advancement in the FUE procedure can validly be made. And no claim of parity with FUT can reasonably be made either.

 

This isn't accurate there have been several advancements in the FUE procedure;

1. Devroye- WAW Punch

2. Edrogen- KEEP, coverage value tutorial, donor capacity measurements

3. Lorenzo- Coverage value tutorial.

4. I am not a proponent of the Artas but Dr Alexander & Dr Arocha's clinics have continued to mention the advancement of the software along with improved results.

5. Dr C***- CIT, along with numerous punches being utilized by some top surgeons.

*6* FUE is also currently more popular than FUT.

 

In my eyes "advancement" and "detrimental forces" are two different topics. It would be nice to hear how these forces have been overcome (clearly they have, how much precisely would Be nice to have more data on) based on patient & clinic posted results.

FUT/FUE surgeons do not need to come on here. They are not the ones making the FUE claims. But if you want to "hear" from the FUT/FUE surgical crowd they tell you every day where they stand on the FUE vs. FUT issue, all you need to do is know how to listen:

I have "listened" and the majority of them performing FUT/FUE would disagree. I think their silence is deafening and more of them would have chimed in but their results simply speak for themselves. The results can't be argued and I don't think they are cherry picking all of these cases any differently than your clinic would cherry pick your FUT cases.

 

I still have not seen a large case of yours 3000 FUT+ that rivals any of these FUE surgeons;

1. Dr Cueto

2. Dr Lorenzo

3. Dr Diep

 

I am sure you have seen the results on you tube for yourself as there are hundreds of videos. Most prospective patients bottom line is what are/were the results from the procedure. If the detrimental forces were overcome (evident in these clinics) less the linear scar which NO ONE WANTS then they are satisfied in the end. A linear scar is a deal breaker for a large percentage of prospective patients.

 

 

Look at their websites- H@W, Rahal, Shapiro, T@D, Cooley, Alexander, Gabel, Konior

All show mostly FUT procedure results and virtually no FUE results. Look at the cases they themselves choose to post on this site every month. You can be sure they pick the very best result they can find for the month because they know it will be scrutinized for years and become the basis upon which they are judged professional-these results are almost always FUT results. Why do you think that is ?

Hasson & Wong don't have an extensive list online as they haven't been performing the procedure as long. They have mentioned on these very forums on multiple occasions now that their FUE results are on par with their FUT cases. They use the same protocol as Dr Koray and frankly their FUE cases have been pretty spectacular that have been posted to date.

 

Rahal has posted numerous FUE results that again rival his FUT results and his clinic reps have mentioned comparable success with the two procedures (see patient rep Matt's results). Plenty of results on these very forums to be viewed if one were willing to research.

 

SMG has stated that their FUE is on par with their FUT results. A lot of members are eagerly awaiting the results of the FUT/FUE combo case study. They have plenty of results that have been posted (see patient rep Matt Zupan's results which were pretty rock solid). Their website has a pretty extensive FUE catalog of results as well.

 

Konior/Gabel- two of the most ethical doctors based on patient reviews and forum feedback. The results of their FUE results yet again are comparable to their FUT cases. Dr Gabel has a pretty extensive amount of FUE results that have been posted.

 

Of course these clinics have more FUT results on their websites as they have been performing the procedure longer. I am not sure if these clinics have ample free time but a lot of the "websites" are often outdated in my personal opinion and that could be why their isn't more to view? That would be a question you could ask them.

 

So again while I do admire your persistence I simply can't get on board with your line of thinking. I believe FUT has it's place. I can't be convinced that these clinics would be continuously performing these surgeries if it was as nearly detrimental to these patients as you make it out to be. If they weren't producing quality results would they continue to perform procedures that they new were doomed to fail? Why would they do this?

 

These clinics have reputations that have been hard earned through the years of producing world class results. Why would they jeopardize their reputations by performing FUE if it has as many flaws have you & Blake have boldly claimed? WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

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Impressive effort on your reply.

 

But nope. None of the things you listed are advancements in FUE.

 

Not a single graft coming out of the scalp via FUE today is affected any less by the three detrimental forces than they were 17 years ago. It is this reality that cuts through all the noise and the hype.

 

The fact remains that each and every clinic you discuss in your post shows more FUT results than FUE results by a huge margin. And I ask again, if they believe FUE was the equivalent of FUT why would they keep performing FUT ? Why would there be any FUT presentations by them at all?

 

I can't speak to why any particular clinic would choose to jeopardize their good reputation by performing FUE but I can make an educated guess. Wishful thinking, internet hype, and shameless/illegal marketing schemes have misled potential patients into believing FUE is the equivalent of strip. I can see how this happened on this very website by the incredible rejection of reality by so many posters.

 

FUE has become a religion on this and other websites. So to keep the doors open these doctors believe they had better offer FUE or perhaps go out of business. They are just giving the public what they think it wants. The problem is that it is wrong and unethical and can't be justified when the realities of the procedure are compared to that of FUT.

 

That's why, at least in the United States, informed consent is where the BS stops. Failing to inform a patient of the differences between the two procedures and the specific disadvantages of FUE in particular is a violation of most if not all State Medical Board regulations. This can lead to medical license suspension or revocation. It can also lead to civil action. The medical boards of other countries, especially the third world ones, don't seem to give a damn. Physician accountability is non-existent especially when the procedure is elective.

 

You focus on all the "successes" posted online by FUE doctors in general. That's very nice, but how many failures and unhappy patients do you see on these doctors websites ? None, of course. No sane doctor would do that. But there are plenty of unhappy FUE patients on this very website that you completely ignored in your post. How many unhappy patients were given money back by their doctors in exchange for keeping their mouths and keyboards quiet? I can guarantee you they exist because such patients have come to my office and told me their silence was paid for by their doctor. You didn't mention them because you have no idea they exist. But they most certainly do.

 

 

Most or all of your entire field of view concerning FUE and hair transplants in general is from online reading. That is simply too narrow of a view for you to be truly informed. All I can say is trust me when I say there is much more to the picture than you can possibly be aware of.

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Sorry, no copyright violations under Fair Use, but I have no doubt you know that. You just love to spin things and harass me for some strange reason when you are not overtly cheerleading for your doctor and trying to send patients his way. Your agenda is obvious.

 

Why does Fair Use apply?

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By the way, didn't you apologize and promise never to come onto one of my threads again when I proved you were very mistaken about another assumption you made about me and posted online ? You should demonstrate some honor and decency by holding up your end of the bargain by not posting in my threads again like you claimed you would.

 

Yes I apologized and deleted the said posts just like I said I would. You demanded that I never come on your threads again, but I never ever promised to comply with that request. In a much earlier posting I said I would no longer address you, but subsequently changed my mind. I never promised anything. You see Dr Feller, you may think you have the right to go around and make demands of others, but you don't. I believe my posts comply with the terms of conditions of this site, and do not see any reason why you reserve the right to demand that I not post on your threads again. I am confident that my 1,000 odd posting history proves your allegations as baseless. Being a Dr certainly does not give you the right to go around and tell me what to to do.

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Yes I apologized and deleted the said posts just like I said I would. You demanded that I never come on your threads again, but I never ever promised to comply with that request. In a much earlier posting I said I would no longer address you, but subsequently changed my mind. I never promised anything. You see Dr Feller, you may think you have the right to go around and make demands of others, but you don't. I believe my posts comply with the terms of conditions of this site, and do not see any reason why you reserve the right to demand that I not post on your threads again. I am confident that my 1,000 odd posting history proves your allegations as baseless. Being a Dr certainly does not give you the right to go around and tell me what to to do.

 

No, you didn't simply change your mind. You agreed to not post on MY threads but "reserved" the right to comment as you wished on other threads not started by me. This thread was started by me.

 

And why do you follow me around online anyway ? I don't know you. We've never met nor have we ever spoken. But when you constantly harass me online and even tell viewers of this site to actively not consider me for surgery I don't think it's "telling you what to do" by demanding that you stop. I think any doctor targeted by you as I have been would demand the same thing and be justified in doing so.

 

Your focus on me is simply creepy and I have asked the moderators to step in.

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"Why not to get an FUE "

While I completely except Dr Fellers opinion etc all I can say as a 54 year old, having an FUE in Turkey has given me a new lease of life .Pretty much bald on top before. I realise this post adds nothing to the debate as such qbut its just guys see good FUE results and it doesnt seem to add up with Dr Fellers assertions when they see great results from Erdogan ,Lorenzo amongst others

Had my transplant over 3 years ago .4200 grafts .

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FUT yields better

FUT done well provides a far smaller total area of scarring

FUT does not diffuse the donor

FUT takes the best section of the donor

FUT does less harm to the grafts

FUT maximises the potential of the donor

 

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All that being said, there are some FUE surgeons - the usual suspects (Erdogan, Couto, Lorenzo, Lupanzula, Bisanga, Feriduni) who are getting better cosmetic results than the vast majority of FUT surgeons with the same amount of grafts, but even inarguably rivalling the cream of the crop FUT surgeons like Dr. Feller.

 

And that's all there is to it. FUT is better in the vast majority of regards, but for the best FUE surgeons the vast majority of the gap is closed. Even in regards to yield and consistency, Lorenzo for example has inarguably more results than any FUT surgeon in the world available for viewing online and has the track record to rival any FUT surgeon in cosmetic improvement per graft and consistency of high yields.

 

Some people just don't want a strip cut out the back of their head when they can instead just go to a surgeon like Erdogan or Lorenzo who 49/50 times is going to get results equal to ANY FUT surgeon.

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I had an in-person consultation with Dr. Konior and we talked about FUT vs FUE. I need 1500-2000 grafts and Dr. Konior told me that he would choose FUE for me without a doubt because of the way I like to style my hair (keeping it very short on the sides). He explained that there have been many advances in the FUE procedure over the years and he now thinks it yields excellent results.

 

I didn't go in to the consultation requesting FUE, and even though I prefer FUE due to less visible scarring at shorter hair lengths, I was open to the idea of getting FUT if Dr. Konior thought that was my best option. He didn't, and confidently reassured me that FUE was the right procedure for me.

 

Dr. Feller, I know you have a fantastic and well-deserved reputation for your FUT results, but in my honest opinion, using such strong, emotional language like "FUE ... rips the graft from the scalp", "FUE is internet hype", and "FUT [allows for] the least amount of trauma known to man" doesn't really help your case.

 

When there are top-tier surgeons like Konior, Hasson and Wong, Rahal, Erdogan, Lorenzo, Bisanga, Feriduni and many others recommending FUE and getting home-run results, it’s hard to make such strong claims against FUE without inferring that you also believe these surgeons are running unethical practices.

 

Finally, speaking from a personal point of view, I have no problem with the *idea* of FUT. I’m not concerned at all about having a strip removed from my head. I’ve had larger medical procedures done and to me FUT surgery seems like no big deal.

 

My biggest concern, by far, is that the FUT scar prevents me from wearing my hair short on the sides. I’ve seen some FUE patients with undetectable scarring at a grade 1 which I just don’t believe is possible with strip. I want as few limitations as possible after my hair transplant, and for me I think FUE is the way to go.

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FUT yields better

FUT done well provides a far smaller total area of scarring

FUT does not diffuse the donor

FUT takes the best section of the donor

FUT does less harm to the grafts

FUT maximises the potential of the donor

 

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All that being said, there are some FUE surgeons - the usual suspects (Erdogan, Couto, Lorenzo, Lupanzula, Bisanga, Feriduni) who are getting better cosmetic results than the vast majority of FUT surgeons with the same amount of grafts, but even inarguably rivalling the cream of the crop FUT surgeons like Dr. Feller.

 

And that's all there is to it. FUT is better in the vast majority of regards, but for the best FUE surgeons the vast majority of the gap is closed. Even in regards to yield and consistency, Lorenzo for example has inarguably more results than any FUT surgeon in the world available for viewing online and has the track record to rival any FUT surgeon in cosmetic improvement per graft and consistency of high yields.

 

Some people just don't want a strip cut out the back of their head when they can instead just go to a surgeon like Erdogan or Lorenzo who 49/50 times is going to get results equal to ANY FUT surgeon.

 

Great post except the cosmetic results part, I really can't tell a difference cosmetically between the good FUE and FUT results. I don't have a dog in this fight since I'm probably going to have both procedures done at some point. They just have different functions and ideal uses and so often on here I see people pushing FUE as this cure-all miracle treatment that makes strip totally obsolete when it's not, at all.

 

I was initially totally against getting strip for the obvious reason (strip cut out, scar, eww gross no thanks) and also because I only had heard the surface level chatter about FUT vs FUE and the latter sounded like the new hotness, then I did the more research. Couple years later now I'm signed up for a strip with Gabel. My personal situation warrants going with strip until I can't anymore then still having the rest of the safe zone for FUE harvest, for me the thought of running out of donor is far more terrifying then having a scar hidden by hair. The rest of the FUT bonuses are just icing on the cake.

 

The only downside is the scar, and after some thought I concluded it really is irrelevant when you're in the hands of a top FUT surgeon, have a normal donor (i.e not thin) and never plan on wearing your hair shorter then a 3-4 guard. If some wizard snapped his fingers and a top doc strip scar appeared on my head without my knowledge I would have no idea it was there.

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I had an in-person consultation with Dr. Konior and we talked about FUT vs FUE. I need 1500-2000 grafts and Dr. Konior told me that he would choose FUE for me without a doubt because of the way I like to style my hair (keeping it very short on the sides). He explained that there have been many advances in the FUE procedure over the years and he now thinks it yields excellent results.

 

I didn't go in to the consultation requesting FUE, and even though I prefer FUE due to less visible scarring at shorter hair lengths, I was open to the idea of getting FUT if Dr. Konior thought that was my best option. He didn't, and confidently reassured me that FUE was the right procedure for me.

 

Dr. Feller, I know you have a fantastic and well-deserved reputation for your FUT results, but in my honest opinion, using such strong, emotional language like "FUE ... rips the graft from the scalp", "FUE is internet hype", and "FUT [allows for] the least amount of trauma known to man" doesn't really help your case.

 

When there are top-tier surgeons like Konior, Hasson and Wong, Rahal, Erdogan, Lorenzo, Bisanga, Feriduni and many others recommending FUE and getting home-run results, it’s hard to make such strong claims against FUE without inferring that you also believe these surgeons are running unethical practices.

 

Finally, speaking from a personal point of view, I have no problem with the *idea* of FUT. I’m not concerned at all about having a strip removed from my head. I’ve had larger medical procedures done and to me FUT surgery seems like no big deal.

 

My biggest concern, by far, is that the FUT scar prevents me from wearing my hair short on the sides. I’ve seen some FUE patients with undetectable scarring at a grade 1 which I just don’t believe is possible with strip. I want as few limitations as possible after my hair transplant, and for me I think FUE is the way to go.

 

That is fascinating, Konior is one doctor who can nail both of these surgeries out of the park consistently but built his name on FUT and would have year long waiting lists on FUT alone that he never would have to bother offering FUE if he didn't think the results were near what he could achieve with FUT and if he didn't feel it would be a benefit to his patients. That he led you towards FUE when you were open to either says a lot.

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"Why not to get an FUE "

While I completely except Dr Fellers opinion etc all I can say as a 54 year old, having an FUE in Turkey has given me a new lease of life .Pretty much bald on top before. I realise this post adds nothing to the debate as such qbut its just guys see good FUE results and it doesnt seem to add up with Dr Fellers assertions when they see great results from Erdogan ,Lorenzo amongst others

Had my transplant over 3 years ago .4200 grafts .

 

Great result! and hearing you were pretty much bald before, makes it even more impressive. You look way younger than 54

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Gas,

 

I don't think these questions have ever been dodged. But just in case ...

1) Post random (=always changing) growth rates of FUE (and FUT)

 

We have posted the studies from Dr. Beehner (two different ones) and Wesley multiple times. These numbers are slightly different, but they still show around the same: 70-75% growth yield on average for FUE. Industry accepted standard for FUT growth after multiple, multiple studies is 95-98%.

 

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I've only been able to come up with the Dr Beehner study so far...if it's not too much trouble could you link the Wesley study? I'd love to read it. I've googled and i just see posts where he talks about Beehners study and I got about 10 pages into your post history and gave up lol

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Dr Shapiros clinic is running their own fut/fue study at the moment and Dr Josephitis had this to say:

 

"preliminary results have been very promising! At this point, there is very little to no differences in the results of the recipient in the FUT vs FUE side. The growth, yield, and density visually appears to be the same. This is from photography alone. As I mentioned, hair counts have not yet been fully counted. This is good news though for patients debating whether to go with the FUT or FUE."

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This has been previously posted- but we performed an FUE procedure into a large scar from a previous MRSA infection. 100 grafts were placed with implanter pens in a test case, and at 6 months we re-evalauted with a hair count. Out of the 100 grafts placed, 99 were actively growing at 6 months- into scar tissue. So while there maybe physical forces placed on the grafts during extraction, they have little impact on graft survival. We went to graft an additional 2500 FUE grafts into the scarring area. Here are the close-up photos of the test case and before and afters 6 months from the 2500 graft case.

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Impressive effort on your reply.

Thank you.

 

But nope. None of the things you listed are advancements in FUE.

Dr. Feller every single thing that was listed is a clear advancement of FUE. If those clinics didn't feel that was the case it wouldn't be presented in FUE workshops highlighting the "advancements" in the field.

 

Not a single graft coming out of the scalp via FUE today is affected any less by the three detrimental forces than they were 17 years ago. It is this reality that cuts through all the noise and the hype. Dr Vories has posted that he has been able to overcome these forces as some many other elite FUE surgeons have done as well. This is evidence in their results which is what the patients are after. 99/100 grafts

 

The fact remains that each and every clinic you discuss in your post shows more FUT results than FUE results by a huge margin. And I ask again, if they believe FUE was the equivalent of FUT why would they keep performing FUT ? Why would there be any FUT presentations by them at all? They clearly feel that both methods are sound and has there pros/cons. Dr Konior recently suggested FUE for a patient as opposed to FUT? Why is that? Dr Konior's reputation and results stand out even among the elite. Why would he suggest FUE to a patient willing to undergo FUE if he didn't think the results would be the same?

 

I can't speak to why any particular clinic would choose to jeopardize their good reputation by performing FUE but I can make an educated guess. Wishful thinking, internet hype, and shameless/illegal marketing schemes have misled potential patients into believing FUE is the equivalent of strip. I can see how this happened on this very website by the incredible rejection of reality by so many posters. This is absurd to think these world class clinics would be swayed in such a manner.

 

FUE has become a religion on this and other websites. So to keep the doors open these doctors believe they had better offer FUE or perhaps go out of business. They are just giving the public what they think it wants. The problem is that it is wrong and unethical and can't be justified when the realities of the procedure are compared to that of FUT.

This is a reckless and irrational theory of yours. Are you implying that SMG, Hasson & Wong, & Konior would go out of business if they didn't offer FUE? Konior has a one year waiting list for FUT patients.....

 

This is equivalent to Lavar Ball stating that he can beat Michael Jordan one on one (in basketball). Is this the knee jerk response that you after to keep people tuned into the next outlandish remark that gets made?

 

That's why, at least in the United States, informed consent is where the BS stops. Failing to inform a patient of the differences between the two procedures and the specific disadvantages of FUE in particular is a violation of most if not all State Medical Board regulations. This can lead to medical license suspension or revocation. It can also lead to civil action. The medical boards of other countries, especially the third world ones, don't seem to give a damn. Physician accountability is non-existent especially when the procedure is elective.

 

You focus on all the "successes" posted online by FUE doctors in general. That's very nice, but how many failures and unhappy patients do you see on these doctors websites ? None, of course. No sane doctor would do that. But there are plenty of unhappy FUE patients on this very website that you completely ignored in your post.

There are plenty of unhappy FUE and FUT patients Dr Feller. You would be remiss not to mention the failed FUT cases for which they are plenty.

 

How many unhappy patients were given money back by their doctors in exchange for keeping their mouths and keyboards quiet?

Again this happens with both methods FUT & FUE so another moot point.

 

 

I can guarantee you they exist because such patients have come to my office and told me their silence was paid for by their doctor. You didn't mention them because you have no idea they exist. But they most certainly do.

I have been reached out to by forum members who weren't happy with the results on many instances asking for options etc... I don't doubt you have had your fair share of repair cases but yet again those aren't only FUE cases you have repaired? I presume you have done your fair share of FUT repairs, scar revision etc ?

 

 

Most or all of your entire field of view concerning FUE and hair transplants in general is from online reading. That is simply too narrow of a view for you to be truly informed. All I can say is trust me when I say there is much more to the picture than you can possibly be aware of.

Please enlightenment us all and elaborate on what we aren't aware of so we can be "truly informed"

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