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I'm not familiar with the cancer case, but I would be shocked if it was truly related to the SMP. I don't think this makes a lot of sense physiologically/pathologically.

 

Matt: Feel free to PM me the link and I'll take a look.

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The member with cancer is Lorenzo, the Italian translator for H&W. He is battling a very rare form of lymphoma/cancer.

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I believe it is very important to look at all potential side effects and possible health issues that a procedure, treatment, or drug may cause. However, in this case, with all due respect to Dr. Rassman, it seems like a lot of speculation with little to no evidence to support his claims that the silicone in the tricopigmentation pigments can, in any way, be linked to cancer.

 

I will not get into all of the technical aspects of how the body disposes of foreign particles, but knowing what I know of Physiology as well as Micropigmentation, I would surmise that if there is any truth to these claims then there are equal, if not greater, risks involved in "permanent" micropigmentation and permanent body art tattoos.

 

And we all know how many people in today's society are sporting tats, not to mention the enormous number of women who have permanent makeup.

 

Having said that, IMO there is a clear agenda behind this and I feel that it is a self-serving, convenient speculation by Rassman and NHI in order to cast a shadow of doubt on Tricopigmentation as a whole, in an effort to dissuade his potential clients from going the trico route and instead using NHI and Dr. Joe Pak's permanent SMP services.

 

Whilst I feel NHI does some beautiful SMP work, I also believe they would absolutely be offering Tricopigmentation treatments themselves if they felt it would be financially beneficial to them.

 

NHI is far and away the most expensive provider of the Scalp Micropigmentation treatment, charging between $7,000 and $9,000 per treatment last I checked, and they would not be able to charge near that price for Tricopigmentation.

 

A provider's decision to offer Tricopigmentation or "permanent" Scalp Micropigmentation, is not in any way based on a personal ethical conviction, and not at all due to their "moral duty" to administer pigments the "responsible way", but it is based on only one thing- MONEY. Whichever treatment a provider feels will make him or her the most money, that is the treatment and service that he or she will offer, it is as simple as that.

 

This is precisely the reason we are already beginning to see that the same Tricopigmentation Providers who once bashed "permanent" scalp pigmentation, are now including it as an additional service that they offer.

 

For the lot who have chosen Tricopigmentation as solution, I think that is fantastic. If they are happy with the results and it makes them feel better about their appearance, then I say cheers to that:)

I do not personally feel that Tricopigmentation is the best route to take, but again, if it makes financial sense and a client has no problem repeating the treatment process annaully, I say go for it.

 

I have seen some brilliant Tricopimentation results on this forum from Erik at AheadInk and Nicole at Shapiro Medical and the treatment absolutely does improve a person's appearance.

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Very interesting exchanges. FDA could analyze certain things if needed. I think they analyzed some tatoo inks and makeups based on some articles. Dr Rassman didnt chime in, so I am thinking it may have been an independent study?

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I have just finished my second bone marrow transplant. I don't think my cancer was caused by SMP because when I took time to figure out when my symptoms started and it was before I had SMP. So I probably jumped the gun when I questioned it.

For anyone that has had a medical issue its normal to look at all aspects to figure out what caused it. Although I will say I was cancer free for two years and it did come back very aggressively around my brain. This was after I had SMP so who actually knows. If I am successful beating this I probably will not have SMP again.

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Lorenzo,

 

Wow, I had no idea. I think it's perfectly natural to research thoroughly and consider all possibilities when it comes to a medical issue like this. Regardless, the most important thing here is for you to continue improving and beat this thing back into submission!

 

I don't see how, but if there is anything I could ever do to assist in any way, please don't hesitate to contact.

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Thanks for the support. My cousin and her husband both work for the Mayo clinic in Minnesota as Lymphoma specialists so I'm lucky to have their support and knowledge.

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Wishing you the best and i really hope the best for you Lorenzo. Very sorry to hear you are going through this. My prayers are with you and i hope you overcome this soon. Best wishes. Take care.

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I'm interested in temporary SMP. But after reading Dr Rassman's articles, I'm a bit hesitated. Does anyone know if Dr Rassman's claim is correct?

 

 

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https://www.realself.com/question/seattle-wa-option-temporary-smp#gref

 

Great point by Dr. Rassman, and Absolutely something that should be considered before undergoing such a new and unknown treatment.....

 

and I would certainly trust a well-respected physician's medical advice over some "joe schmo" Amateur off the street who has no medical expertise and is just simply trying to sell their "services" using a hair loss forum:rolleyes:

 

There are Many good Scalp Micropigmentation providers out there....no need to take shortcuts and experiment with some new Temporary "solution" with one of these guys who popped up out of nowhere with no background in the field at all with no credentials

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I also wouldn't take the advice of just some random Joe Schmo off the street. Thankfully I was introduced four years ago to Beauty Medical's temporary SMP via Dr. Alan Feller. He and his partner Dr. Blake Bloxham refer their patients to Ahead Ink regularly. I also work with Dr. Bernard Arocha regularly. Dr. John Frank, and Drs. True and Dorin have referred their patients to me as well for temporary SMP. And here's an abbreviated list of medical professionals who have trained with Beauty Medical and offer temporary SMP, too:

 

Dr Richard Dubois

Dr. Ron Shapiro

Dr. Steven Gabel

Dr. Danusi Umar

Dr. Arthur Tykocinki

Dr. Pamela Tavenor

Dr. Emorane Lupanzula

Dr. Alejandro Chueco

Dr. Alessandra Juliano

Dr. Piero Tesauro

Dr. Vincenzo Gambino

Dr. Marco Toscani

Dr. Koray Erdogan

Dr. Daniele Campo

Dr. Orshoya Hossu

Dr. Uzgtur Oztan

Dr. Sever Muresanu

Dr. Adel Quttainah

Dr. Chinta Angelique

Hattingen Hair

The Harley Street Hair Clinic

Dr. Adel Quttainah MD

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hi there - i've been considering this option but those reports do cause worry. i came across this post from about 2 yrs ago in another forum about the biocompatible membrane. at the time, nicole responded that it was a great question and would update. does anyone from the temp world have a more insight into this below? it'd be great to see confirmation reports or something that says the membrane won't be broken down while still in the body and that the particles are indeed in the urine/feces

 

here's the copy/paste of relevant post:

 

"Surely if the membrane is biocompatible once the bodys immune system dissolves this membrane then the iron oxides will be exposed to the body.* If the body disposes these compounds via the GI track then they would show up via a feces analysis.*

 

Maybe Beauty Medical could pay for an independent study on this to alleviate genuine concerns on how these temporary pigments are dispersed safely by the body."

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hi there - i've been considering this option but those reports do cause worry. i came across this post from about 2 yrs ago in another forum about the biocompatible membrane. at the time, nicole responded that it was a great question and would update. does anyone from the temp world have a more insight into this below? it'd be great to see confirmation reports or something that says the membrane won't be broken down while still in the body and that the particles are indeed in the urine/feces

 

here's the copy/paste of relevant post:

 

"Surely if the membrane is biocompatible once the bodys immune system dissolves this membrane then the iron oxides will be exposed to the body.* If the body disposes these compounds via the GI track then they would show up via a feces analysis.*

 

Maybe Beauty Medical could pay for an independent study on this to alleviate genuine concerns on how these temporary pigments are dispersed safely by the body."

 

 

 

The body will break down iron oxides in the same way they breakdown iron supplements. When iron oxides are introduced into the body in small amounts they will absorb them in the same way. It's why women who are pregnant are not allowed to get permanent make-up (which is made up of mostly iron oxide pigment) because the body will absorb the iron in the pigment and they will not retain any color. It's also why if patients who have high levels of pigment rejection are asked to get their iron levels checked.

 

 

As far as safety of the pigments are concerned: Beauty Medical is one of the only companies (if not the only) who has released a full list of ingredients that their pigments are made up of, as well as, the full manufacturing process. You will not get this with any other pigment company. Most will just tell you that their pigments are made of "propriety ingredients". Beauty Medical pigments are also manufactured in the EU which has much stricter and more highly regulated protocols for ingredients, manufacturing, and labeling of pigments than any other country in the world.

 

 

There is no medical evidence that supports dr. rassmussens claim. And, again I invite him to release the ingredients of his pigments.

I am the SMP and Micro-Pigmentation Specialist for Shapiro Medical Group. Always feel free to message me privately with any additional questions you might have. I am trained in both the permanent and temporary pigmentation methods and am happy to be here to offer support as a neutral resource.

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On 1/10/2017 at 3:25 PM, NicH0le007 said:

 

 

 

The body will break down iron oxides in the same way they breakdown iron supplements. When iron oxides are introduced into the body in small amounts they will absorb them in the same way. It's why women who are pregnant are not allowed to get permanent make-up (which is made up of mostly iron oxide pigment) because the body will absorb the iron in the pigment and they will not retain any color. It's also why if patients who have high levels of pigment rejection are asked to get their iron levels checked.

 

 

As far as safety of the pigments are concerned: Beauty Medical is one of the only companies (if not the only) who has released a full list of ingredients that their pigments are made up of, as well as, the full manufacturing process. You will not get this with any other pigment company. Most will just tell you that their pigments are made of "propriety ingredients". Beauty Medical pigments are also manufactured in the EU which has much stricter and more highly regulated protocols for ingredients, manufacturing, and labeling of pigments than any other country in the world.

 

 

There is no medical evidence that supports dr. rassmussens claim. And, again I invite him to release the ingredients of his pigments.

Do you mind printing the ingredients in Milena Lardi's pigments?

Thank you.

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Pretty basic as you can see. I also can provide clients with the lab tests/analysis Beauty Medical sends me with each and every batch of product I get. 

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I hate to beat an (almost) dead horse, but I really wish Dr. Pak and Dr. Rassman would be willing to elaborate on their comments about how temporary SMP may migrate to other organs in the body.

It would really, really be helpful if any doctors on this forum would also be willing to opine on this topic.  I think many of us on the 'temporary SMP fence' would strongly appreciate your inputs.

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