faking the number of grafts?

[partnerfue]

Hi all. I have not disappeared but am respecting my husbands wishes to not pursue any further action until he sees growth. He doesn't want to jeopardize whatever professional relationship he has with the surgeon while he is still dependent on him (further treatments if growth is not satisfactory, etc).

 

As for revealing the name. I will once we feel we will not be needing his services any longer. I also do not want to engage in potential libel until I have more facts, since I might be incorrect in my assumptions. Again, I am not a hair transplant specialist and may be overlooking certain details.

 

I was also hoping that other people would have gone back and maybe counted the follicles/incisions in their photos since the professional photos are usually high resolution. This way we would not be the only ones complaining/questioning. I understand this is a time consuming process though. I do encourage anyone who feels the grafts placed were less than that quotes to do this and voice their concerns. For prospective transplantees, if one surgeon quotes a much higher graft placement than other surgeons but the results from previous patients seem equivalent....be skeptical. For us, we looked into Bisanga and Feriduni also. Each have similarly impressive hairline results with the surgeon we chose but they both quoted us approximately half the number of grafts.

 

I apologize for not revealing the name at this point and I will happily post more information when I have it.

[templeloss]

It is definitely Erdogan. I'm willing to bet all the money I have. I just had surgery with him. I may go back and count the holes in the pictures provided.

[FUE83Stage2]

Hi, I've consulated with prominent Australian and European surgeon.

 

EU quoted I will require around 3000 grafts @ 50p/cm, prefers cash. Accepts electronic payments (but for obvious reasons) price increases materially.

 

AU quoted about 1000 grafts @ 30-40p/cm, but very surprised with European quote, saying I dont need. However vouched for European surgeon. AU has admitted to being more conservative in assessments/quoting grafts, but no means too conservative. As prices In Australia are significantly higher, perhaps a small affordable initial procedure gets clients committed to the path of HTs then more transplants are secured in the future.

 

I too am sceptical of how a surgeon can prove the quantity of grafts provided. Am thinking of travelling to Europe for procedure.

 

Hesitations:

> proof or work by surgeon as have been overturned in eyes of AU.

> does being a fly in patient give surgeons more confidence in over quoting and underdelivering graft quantity? As little apparent consequences, especially when we all want to believe in full restoration.

> shock loss of weak hair in recipient area.

> for how long before procedure should one be consuming Finisteride to strengthen hair sufficiently to avoid shock loss??

 

Hope my input is useful.

[Mickey85]

It is definitely Erdogan. I'm willing to bet all the money I have. I just had surgery with him. I may go back and count the holes in the pictures provided.

 

Any specific reason/reasons you have that it is definitely Dr Erdogan? I remember a patient of Dr Hakan's told us that his entire surgery was over within 7-8 hours inclusive of everything(preparation, numbing the donor/recipient, scoring/extracting etc) and his case was fairly large. I was somewhat mindboggled.

[templeloss]

@Mickey

Go back and read her posts. She basically spells out Erdogan. Erdogan is the only prominent clinic that requires full cash payment. He also quotes very high graft numbers compared to other surgeons. She pretty much told us who the surgeon was without actually saying his name. To me, all the signs point to Erdogan. A prominent clinic that mandates cash only to avoid tax and over-quotes grafts....Sounds like Erdogan to me.

[harin]

I suspect this is a not so uncommon practice in this business, very unfortunate, I was lucky that my doctor not only gave me correct graft counts but also when she exceeded the graft counts/placements by 300 odd graft she did not charge for those extra grafts.....I even saw her discouraging a patient from getting HT and advising other one to go for less number of grafts than the patient thought he needed.

 

People should avoid such unethical practices .... but how would a patient know unless we have threads like this one exposing such practices?.....so naming the surgeon becomes important. also any documentation to show that he quoted the number of grafts or the credit card bill (with blacked out names and numbers) would help I suppose!.

[harin]

Hi all. I have not disappeared but am respecting my husbands wishes to not pursue any further action until he sees growth. He doesn't want to jeopardize whatever professional relationship he has with the surgeon while he is still dependent on him (further treatments if growth is not satisfactory, etc).

 

As for revealing the name. I will once we feel we will not be needing his services any longer. I also do not want to engage in potential libel until I have more facts, since I might be incorrect in my assumptions. Again, I am not a hair transplant specialist and may be overlooking certain details.

 

I was also hoping that other people would have gone back and maybe counted the follicles/incisions in their photos since the professional photos are usually high resolution. This way we would not be the only ones complaining/questioning. I understand this is a time consuming process though. I do encourage anyone who feels the grafts placed were less than that quotes to do this and voice their concerns. For prospective transplantees, if one surgeon quotes a much higher graft placement than other surgeons but the results from previous patients seem equivalent....be skeptical. For us, we looked into Bisanga and Feriduni also. Each have similarly impressive hairline results with the surgeon we chose but they both quoted us approximately half the number of grafts.

 

I apologize for not revealing the name at this point and I will happily post more information when I have it.

 

Previously there was a similar thread posted with the poster actually using HD pictures to count number of incisions!,....the post/thread was evetually deleted!!!.

Edited January 16, 2016 by harin

[FUE83Stage2]

Previously there was a similar thread posted with the poster actually using HD pictures to count number of incisions!,....the post/thread was evetually deleted!!!.

 

Can moderators comment on this?

Although not surprised over quoting happens, still shocked.

[harin]

Can moderators comment on this?

Although not surprised over quoting happens, still shocked.

 

David didgive explanation as to why the thread was LOCKED not DELETED (my bad) ...and apparently there were behind th scene communication about this patient and the doctor. At that time I was happy with the explnation..but having seen multiple other threads about the malpractice by some doctors I suppose may be that person was right in claiming that he was cheated for number of grafts?. When I saw this thread it reminded me of the other thread immediately.

 

Again thread was LOCKED not deleted here is the link: - reason given was posting under duplicate/second account or name.

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/179083-horrible-hair-transplant-experience-i-feel-cheated.html

[Yaz89]

Mickey, do you actually believe this? I, for one, do not. I am heading back this April for my second surgery with Dr Erdogan. I know they have the tools to measure how many grafts grow. I have seen it in other Asmed patient's threads. Not for one minute I believe a world renowned surgeon like Dr Erdogan who has been practising hair transplants will con people.

[Yaz89]

And the op patient (the wife) stated she measured his head with an professional magnifier. No disrespect but most clinics have state of the art equipment. I don't believe it is possible to measure how many grafts have been implanted your self

[NYC1180]

It is interesting though, of the 5 surgeons I initially consulted, Erdogan quoted almost double the grafts (similar to the OP). When I first read this thread I went back and looked at each of the other surgeons results. Their patient's hairlines were just as dense appearing as Erdogans patients. Not saying anything about any particular surgeons, but it is a curious observation.

[mikeey]

well do not wish to jump the gun yet , But I also have a similar experience wherein the Doc is Edrogan and I was also quoted double the number of grafts than Dr. Radha (India )

 

That really raised the Red flag for me , and I decided Otherwise .

 

this is a very Lucrative business in the world right now , as more and more people are getting hit by HairLoss and eventually everyone knows that a good HT can fix a lot of their confidence and get them the Life they wish for , hence the surge in Demand ,

 

Its really not cool to butcher guys like us who are on a TIGHT BUDGET , and it surely is unethical , But the color of Money surely rubs the Morale in the wrong direction .

 

I think the Moderators MUST Pursue this Matter as we are all here wishing to get a quality HT with a ease on our hard earned cash pile ,

 

David had taken the initiative BUT had Backed off , Although I understand this being a delicate matter and he being quiet Busy , BUT dude we have a promise here on this site to help fellow sufferers and with the experience of David and his sense of Fair Will , I hope he will unearth the Thruth Rapidly for us . \

 

Anyways No Offence David , when u really need someone to Move his Butt into Action , U sometimes need to Prick it with a shovel

[Mickey85]

Mickey, do you actually believe this? I, for one, do not. I am heading back this April for my second surgery with Dr Erdogan. I know they have the tools to measure how many grafts grow. I have seen it in other Asmed patient's threads. Not for one minute I believe a world renowned surgeon like Dr Erdogan who has been practising hair transplants will con people.

 

Yaz I am extremely skeptical at this point in time. Until I see conclusive proof, I will not make a judgement call.

[Stig]

well do not wish to jump the gun yet , But I also have a similar experience wherein the Doc is Edrogan and I was also quoted double the number of grafts than Dr. Radha (India )

 

That really raised the Red flag for me , and I decided Otherwise .

 

this is a very Lucrative business in the world right now , as more and more people are getting hit by HairLoss and eventually everyone knows that a good HT can fix a lot of their confidence and get them the Life they wish for , hence the surge in Demand ,

 

Its really not cool to butcher guys like us who are on a TIGHT BUDGET , and it surely is unethical , But the color of Money surely rubs the Morale in the wrong direction .

 

I think the Moderators MUST Pursue this Matter as we are all here wishing to get a quality HT with a ease on our hard earned cash pile ,

 

David had taken the initiative BUT had Backed off , Although I understand this being a delicate matter and he being quiet Busy , BUT dude we have a promise here on this site to help fellow sufferers and with the experience of David and his sense of Fair Will , I hope he will unearth the Thruth Rapidly for us . \

 

Anyways No Offence David , when u really need someone to Move his Butt into Action , U sometimes need to Prick it with a shovel

 

What exactly do you expect David to do when the OP never even identified the name of the clinic?

[TakingThePlunge]

While I understand the OP's reasoning for not wanting to divulge the physician's name, starting such a discussion and then refusing to provide details or allowing the moderators of this community to reach out to the doctor for an explanation provides no avenue for resolution and results in a discussion that spirals out of control with wild speculation.

 

I don't think it's fair to bring Dr. Erdogan's name into this discussion when the OP has not named the physician despite being invited to contact me privately as an option.

 

The surgeons we recommend are held to the highest standard of care, ethics and performance. Thus, in the event a surgeon were shown to be purposely misquoting grafts, we would want to know that and we would take the necessary steps to address the issue.

 

I urge the OP to contact the doctor in question and discuss her concerns or to contact us privately so that we may do so. Until such time as she is open to discussing the details of the case I urge the community to refrain from continuing a guessing game.

[TakingThePlunge]

David had taken the initiative BUT had Backed off , Although I understand this being a delicate matter and he being quiet Busy , BUT dude we have a promise here on this site to help fellow sufferers and with the experience of David and his sense of Fair Will , I hope he will unearth the Thruth Rapidly for us . \

 

Anyways No Offence David , when u really need someone to Move his Butt into Action , U sometimes need to Prick it with a shovel

 

Well, Stig has already pointed this out but, what exactly would you have me do mikeey? I have asked the OP twice to contact me via email or private message. Shall I call the Psychic Hotline?

[mikeey]

hahahaha David

 

well I think a Leader shud always take the Gun in his hands , when his troops are in confusion wheter to fight or Let go .

 

it dosen't Matter if the clinic is not replying , but as a host of a prestigious site you have a calling in life to unearth any unethnical things that clinics might do , and if found , then maybe Ban them from here .

 

you already know it buddy that we spend our hard hard earned money just to get us a decent life after a HT , we are neither looking for a Lopez or a Jolie in our Life , But we aspire for atleast a Aniston ))) .

 

If you have faith in your ability , do you think that there is any Querie that you are so keen to find out , won't have a definite Answer ?

 

you have always been open about everything in the HT industry , a Pant Ripper if I may say so ..... get the Psychic Line if you Must , But let us know the Truth ..... we all assume that some clinics do charge for more grafts than they actually Harvest .... be the "Graft Cop " David

[TakingThePlunge]

dosen't Matter if the clinic is not replying

 

Let me try to explain this one more time. The issue is not that the clinic has not replied. The OP has not named the doctor. I cannot contact a doctor when I don't know for sure who the physician is.

 

Furthermore, without the patient's cooperation I have no details with which to approach the clinic in order to open a dialogue.

 

Make sense now?

[mikeey]

Oops sorry , surely messed the O.P non co-operation with that of the Clinic .

 

But anyways I wish that the Lady must must commit the name of the clinic , which I think she will after her hubby gets the growth , becoz I do not think she will ever go back to the same clinic in question once the results are known !

[partnerfue]

Oops sorry , surely messed the O.P non co-operation with that of the Clinic .

 

But anyways I wish that the Lady must must commit the name of the clinic , which I think she will after her hubby gets the growth , becoz I do not think she will ever go back to the same clinic in question once the results are known !

 

Exactly

[MrGio-WHTCClinic]

Maybe there is no legitimacy to presenting the case when there is no accountability on any party.

 

I am forced to believe the OP, and support the effort to make sense of the graft and hair counts.

[Vpac]

I thought I was the only one to have had such a high number of grafts proposed by Erdogan's clinic. They have quoted me double the grafts than every other clinic I have consulted with and those are some of the best and most popular clinics - Lorenzo, Konier, Bisanga, Bhatti and countless others recommended on this forum. I'm wondering now whether it's a rip off because I was on the verge of booking my surgery date with that clinic but now have some doubts. The fact that people immediately suspected it was ASMED makes me worried, although there results do speak for themselves so it's left me in a dilemma.

[MrGio-WHTCClinic]

Vpac. The trust between you and the doctor is necessary. Take your time, it's invaluable, so the valuable part of getting to your best choice is confidence in your decision.

 

All the best

[wibbles180]

Has asmed clinic not just developed a new system for graft counts using iPads etc ?? I just can't see dr erdogan risking everything for this kind of tactic ? It's been an ongoing puzzle for me to try and work out how or why asmed put so many grafts in and I'm starting to think it's purely because they have the skills and experience to do so ! Now whether or not it is ethical on some of there younger non medicated guys is a totally different question !

 

I for one hope and don't think it is dr erdogan but will wait to hear back from the O.P before I book my first procedure

 

My own personal narrowed down options

 

Option 1 :

Dr Lorenzo 2500 fue

 

Option 2 :

Asmed 4400

 

Where would you go ????