Did Dr Hakan Doganay use fake accounts for publicity?Read this and decide it yourself

[esrec]

Probationary status would make the most sense IMO if the evidence is in fact incriminating.

 

To incentivize a doctor to change practices back to a previous standard in order to remain in strong forum standing leaves a poor taste and sends the wrong message.

 

Doctors should be demonstrating top notch quality control because they are DOCTORS, not because their business is being threatened by poor feedback. It's the ultimate slap in the face to patients, and insult to top doctors who maintain their quality of patient care because they do have high ethical standards.

 

Agreed the doctor should be able to explain himself. We might be missing information that changes the entire narrative. Although, I'm not sure what he can say, if you do in fact have sufficient evidence of poor outcomes and suspect forum behavior.

 

Thanks for the update.

Edited October 30, 2015 by esrec

[win200]

I agree with esrec that the forum should not have to exhort a clinic to engage in the practices that will secure the best results for patients. I'll look forward to receiving the clinic's response, but the fact that they could not or would not resolve the issue without the threat discontinuation of their recommendation seriously questions whether their ethics and professional responsibility are up to this forum's appropriately high standards. I also think some explanation is owed for the highly suspect marketing practices, as well.

 

Thanks, Bill, for taking this issue so seriously.

[Stig]

Bill,

 

Thanks for the good work you are doing. If you believe that their quality went down, at present the results and practices of the clinic do not support a recommendation, and the clinic agrees to change their practices back to what they were previously, then shouldn't the burden fall on the clinic to demonstrate consistently good results from this point on before getting their recommendation back? I think you are doing a disservice to this community and potential patients by letting the clinic keep their recommendation just because they promise to change back their practices.

[laughnlearn]

Treat the patient as you would wish to be treated yourself. Imo, this forum should not and can not allow to have in its list of recommendations doctors whose moral principles have been clearly compromised and whose 'only' intrinsic motivation is to rake-in green. Ethics, quality, and honesty first, then balance sheet numbers. Totally agree with esrec's comment.

[Melvin- Admin]

Bill I think to maintain the integrity of the community the clinic has to be taken off the recommendation, it's troubling because I had always looked to Dr. Doganay as one of the worlds best in FUE, he certainly had a portfolio to back it up, but with all of the dissatisfied patients and the unethical abuse of creating fake accounts, the clinic simply can not be trusted. I don't see how they could have a rational and logical explanation for such behavior. However, fair enough allow them to explain what happened I will keep an open mind but the evidence is staggering.

[harin]

The negative experiences are all here on this forum for anyone researching this clinic anyway, sounds fair to give the clinic/Dr a chance to reply to lacklustre results and dodgy marketing practices.

 

True, but also consider the search box is very difficult to use in pulling up these results from particulat HT surgeons or specialists. Please make it easier to use the search box so that we can search with terms like ''results Dr. X''. Or ''complaints Dr. Y'' etc..

 

Makes it only fair for new patients who come here with so much trust and hope.

[Mickey85]

Probationary status would make the most sense IMO if the evidence is in fact incriminating.

 

To incentivize a doctor to change practices back to a previous standard in order to remain in strong forum standing leaves a poor taste and sends the wrong message.

 

Doctors should be demonstrating top notch quality control because they are DOCTORS, not because their business is being threatened by poor feedback. It's the ultimate slap in the face to patients, and insult to top doctors who maintain their quality of patient care because they do have high ethical standards.

 

Agreed the doctor should be able to explain himself. We might be missing information that changes the entire narrative. Although, I'm not sure what he can say, if you do in fact have sufficient evidence of poor outcomes and suspect forum behavior.

 

Thanks for the update.

 

I essentially agree with this Bill. If the genuine care and treatment of patients(by clinic, staff, techs and surgeon) is not sincere, from within and intrinsic, I don't believe they should be given a second chance after this alleged backslide. Especially if these latest allegations prove to be true(I haven't kept up or looked into it), there is no excuse or reason that would redeem the clinic.

 

That's all I will say for now. I want to say more but will wait until both sides have been heard.

[Turner]

Guys, I just wanted to give everybody an update. Given all of the information I have received, in large part thanks to Paleo, I have been seriously considering discontinuing Dr. Doganay's recommendation. The fact that there are so many patients who have reported poor growth and other issues suggesting possible misuse of our and other forums, the evidence is overwhelming and highly concerning.

 

That said, I actually had sent an email to the clinic letting them know that we are going to discontinue their recommendation. However, I received a very polite response from the clinic asking for a chance to explain and defend themselves before we make a final decision. after considering it further, I think it's only fair to give the clinic a chance to explain what might be going on that caused so many cases of poor growth and also explain the possible forum misuse.

 

At the end of the day, I think we as a community should make the final decision after hearing their response as to whether or not we should give them a chance to reconcile the issues at hand. Ultimately, all physicians have cases of poor growth. However, it is critical for physicians and clinics to make sure there are no quality control issues that cause ongoing problems beyond what is typically considered normal.

 

In this case, it is clear that the number of reported cases of poor growth are significant. I also wonder if this is due to the fact that the clinic went from having the doctor performing all of the extractions to having technicians do it. Originally, we were told that the physician did the extractions. We were then told months later that technicians are doing this now, which is why we ended up changing the information on his recommendation profile.

 

It makes me wonder if perhaps if we did give them another chance, that perhaps the doctor should go back to performing all of the extractions. Perhaps that's where the system broke down.

 

Anyway, I want to assure the community that we are very serious about patient satisfaction and that ultimately, if we feel that a clinic is no longer living up to our high standards for recommendation, that we will take action. Ultimately, it would be nice to see the clinic turn things around back to the way things were when he was first approved for recommendation. But if they can't prove that any quality control issues have been resolved, we may have to truly discontinue his recommendation.

 

Again, I believe it is fair to give the clinic a chance to explain themselves. Then, I will be counting on the community to provide their genuine and honest input on whether or not you think we should continue his recommendation. The publishers of this community will weigh all input seriously and make the final decision.

 

I look forward to your input

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

 

I agree with Bill !! I am also a patient of Dr Doganay and have nothing but great things to say about him. Even though it's only been exactly 6 months from my surgery and I can not really comment on the results yet, I do believe that he deserves a second chance. We only hear of those 15 - 20 bad experiences but let's not forget the other thousands of good ones. At the end of the day there is no guarantees on any HT and we all know that but what really counts is that this doctor has offered to make good on every single complaint and to me that speaks volume care after the fact service. Of course this is only my opinion.

[LondonHTseeker]

Just checked out Frankmello, lol, Fellar certainly likes to insult the intelligence of this forum!

 

Frankmello has to be the funniest one. :cool: Not that anybody else seems to care. The double standards are amusing to me. The lynch mob has gone for Dr Doganay... but is he likely to be the ONLY member doctor here potentially involved in some shady actions? Nope!

[Sean]

Frankmello has to be the funniest one. :cool: Not that anybody else seems to care. The double standards are amusing to me. The lynch mob has gone for Dr Doganay... but is he likely to be the ONLY member doctor here potentially involved in some shady actions? Nope!

 

Right on! He is not the ONLY doc, there are some others. Real posters can sniff it out by certain trends, keywords, logins, post counts, etc. But some of them know how to play their cards right with businesses across multiple online marketing platforms it seems. Like i said, keep a file of evidence and edits and changes and remarks online for that doctor. You can always submit such info anonymously or not, to the FTC consumers buereau if you'd like it to be reviewed or investigated. IMO patient safet is highly needed in the hair industry. It is a front line cosmetic approach that is highly visible, it is not like you are working to remove a scar under your clothes. Double standards may exist for a reason across various platforms, but users seem to see a trend and that is important. High ethics are needed and demanded from any doc that has a notable favorable business given designation next to his or her name, a designation that makes that doc look superior to others in his or her trade.

[Melvin- Admin]

There have definitely been questionable posters praising Dr. Feller, the difference however, is that Dr. Feller never operated on paleo, if he would've no doubt he'd be in a similar situation, and this is not a dig at paleo at all, his tenacity has brought up some valid concerns that need to be addressed, this needs to happen more often, red flags include recent join date, a few post count, threads titles that are in all caps demonizing a certain procedure, and the most obvious disappearance of the "patient". Moderators should investigate these suspicious threads.

[Niko1]

On another note, you have users (losers) such as

 

Joesocks202

 

This guy comes from nowhere and slates several threads as being fraudulent, rubbishing results etc after admitting having a meeting with Dr Fellar.

 

Almost as though Fellar put him up to it, but didn't realise he was going to be such an obnoxious weapon and then told him to calm down.

 

Just another twist to what goes on within this forum.

 

I, like many others put up my story to help inform potential patients, its a shame that it only takes one or two morons potentially on the payroll of rival doctors to ruin what I consider a useful thread.

 

Sometimes it makes you think why you even bother.

 

So to conclude, the doctors PR guys have been caught out, but he is not the only one with bad intentions, its just that the others are better at hiding their tracks.

 

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Dr Bhatti FUE Oct 2014 3305 grafts

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/178931-my-fue-dr-tejinder-bhatti-oct-2014-a.html

 

So True...

 

Anyone else noticed this user (SunSeeker) pretending to be interested in getting a FUE HT, but constantly in most of his posts just writes negative statements bashing the FUE results of the patients, or even asking questions that would scare the sht of a hair loss patient considering FUE.. ( Im my case he accused me of using toppik in my picture ?) Soon as I said something negative about Fellar he was quick to respond with a positive reply on the doctor. Clearly, works for Dr Fellar, trying to discourage future HT patients from getting an FUE HT

 

Something need to be done to tackle all these fake users? Maybe a thread that exposes them or brings their attention to the moderators ?

[JON86]

There is a lot of corruption it seems. I can't speak to these specific doctors but it is clearly not just them. I don't think any doctor should be recommended unless they are validated in person. I have experienced a bad experience by someone who is recommended on here as well. I did not have surgery because I saw the red flags. In the end doctors work for us we don't work for them. I just joined here today but have been following these forums for a long time. I joined saw a

patient that was treated poor by someone I was considering and decided to not stay silent. Clearly some of the clinics need to be looked at again. In the end who is more important? The patient or the doctors here that pay a fee to be here.

[ykiska]

As far as I know Dr. Hakan can't speak english and also I want to know have Dr. Hakan had been informed about these fake accounts. Does doctor allow them to do it? We should know who decided to do this ? I think David found out this event what he was told about it ?

[Shadow of the EMpire State]

Give Doganay a chance to explain?

 

Isn't the obvious insufficiency of his last explanation the very reason for this thread?

 

Let's review:

 

1. There was an incident involving suspicious posters.

2. Forum members complained.

3. The moderators demanded an explanation from the clinic.

4. The clinic provided an explanation that forum members consider ridiculous, and now . . .

5. The clinic is being given another chance to explain?

 

This reminds me of an old story from philosophy class in college: A new water well opens up in town, so a few of the townspeople line up with their buckets, each ready to get a taste of this clear, cold delicious water. So the man who's first in line drops his bucket down the well and pulls up a bucket full of sparkling water. He takes a drink and then immediately drops dead. So the man who's second in line steps over his body and drops his own bucket down the well. And like the first man, he pulls up a bucket of cold, crystal-clear water. And he takes a drink. And then then, a second later, he drops dead, as well. Now, seeing that the two men in front of him each dropped dead moments after drinking from the new well, the third man steps over both of them, eagerly drops his bucket down the well, and declares, "Boy, I hope I don't get any of THAT water!"

Edited November 1, 2015 by Shadow of the EMpire State

[Petchski]

Some of you posters are way over the top in your paranoid accusations about Dr Feller. Now i may be a little biased as i've actually met him and got a good result from a hair transplant by him, but the most likely explanation is that Dr Feller simply asked happy patients to post their story on the forum, mainly in response to the bad PR he gets from a handful of posters, which isn't dodgy at all...

 

He is an excellent doctor with tons of patient blogs showing good results, so why the need to constantly try to blacken his name on this forum? Only one of you has even met Dr Feller and had work done by him, so to me it's baffling why you go around grinding your axe everytime you get a chance, anyone would think you were butchered by him the way some of you go on.

[Melvin- Admin]

So True...

 

Anyone else noticed this user (SunSeeker) pretending to be interested in getting a FUE HT, but constantly in most of his posts just writes negative statements bashing the FUE results of the patients, or even asking questions that would scare the sht of a hair loss patient considering FUE.. ( Im my case he accused me of using toppik in my picture ?) Soon as I said something negative about Fellar he was quick to respond with a positive reply on the doctor. Clearly, works for Dr Fellar, trying to discourage future HT patients from getting an FUE HT

 

Something need to be done to tackle all these fake users? Maybe a thread that exposes them or brings their attention to the moderators ?

 

Man I thought the same thing for someone who's supposedly interested in FUE, the majority of his posts are always something negative toward FUE, one would think that you'd just choose FUT. I know he surfaced around the same time the FUT and FUE thread was around Definitely suspect.

[paleocapa89]

It's been quite some time now and we are still waiting for the clinic's response...

[Bill - Seemiller]

Paleo,

 

I received an email from the clinic a couple of days ago stating that they are in the process of preparing a response. I expect that they will be responding within the next couple of days.

 

Hang in there,

 

Bill

[johnny2000]

Paleo,

 

I received an email from the clinic a couple of days ago stating that they are in the process of preparing a response. I expect that they will be responding within the next couple of days.

 

Hang in there,

 

Bill

 

Preparing a response?

When they have to "prepare" a response Then, im sorry to say, we Got a problem!

Especielly if they need DAYS to do it ?

 

If my wife asked me, "honey who was that girl i saw you Holding in your hands Yesterday"

"Hmmmmm, give me a couple of days honey to prepare an answer for you" !

LOL

This is becoming a BIG issue for This forum

[BaldingBogger]

Man I thought the same thing for someone who's supposedly interested in FUE, the majority of his posts are always something negative toward FUE, one would think that you'd just choose FUT. I know he surfaced around the same time the FUT and FUE thread was around Definitely suspect.

 

Agreed, id also like to see 'HairJo' profile checked out. I've mentoned this before. His Profile was created the day of Dr Feller's MFUE and FUE bashing video. And his entire posting history is relentlessy praising Dr Feller and discrediting FUE.

 

I think this kind of thing is going on a lot.

[Shadow of the EMpire State]

Preparing a response?

When they have to "prepare" a response Then, im sorry to say, we Got a problem!

Especielly if they need DAYS to do it ?

 

If my wife asked me, "honey who was that girl i saw you Holding in your hands Yesterday"

"Hmmmmm, give me a couple of days honey to prepare an answer for you" !

LOL

This is becoming a BIG issue for This forum

 

 

Well put.

[Dr. Hakan DOGANAY]

Dear All,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

Last year we explained the situation, but it seems that we need to make some further clarifications.

 

Around 1.5 years ago, this IP question was mentioned under one of our posts and we summarize what happened last year:

In the post last year, some users did not believe that the case we posted was real. Then the patient in the case couldn't bear this and wrote some comments to show that he was not fake, then some users kept asking questions and pictures from him even if he emailed them privately and posted his pictures. The patient was frustrated and we quote his comment below:

 

"I understand the skepticism , cause i used to have it when i stayed up long nights in order to pick the best clinic for me...but right now i feel bad cause evan after emails ,evan with face pictures in a more gentle way i am called a liar...and i evan did not made this post...

AHD clinic informed be about this and out of curiosity and willingly to help out i made an account but this thing went far to way"

 

After this unfair arguments, the IP question came up. We explained the situation of IPs last year, and also let the mentioned users (i.e. accused to be fake) know. What we know is that they did not want to involve in any kind of arguments on the forum after seeing how harsh people on our former patient. We couldn't ask these users a second time to write an explanation since we do not have a right to force anyone to write anything on the forum. Only Azura told us that he would write a comment about the situation, but he did not also write any comment. We let them know again, and some of them told us that they will talk to Bill.

 

 

You can read the case we posted last year in the following link:: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175260-dr-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-9-5-months-fue-will-updated-6.html

 

This patient also started his own topic, and you can see it here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175531-fue-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-10-months.html

 

Additionally, we checked these accused users' comments and it seems that they also wrote comments for many other cases from other clinics as any forum user does for any clinic.

 

 

Overall, as explained before, we do not ask anyone to write any good/bad comments on the forum. All the comments belong to the forum users. Additionally, the only reason of fake account can be attracting more patient to make more money. But, on the forum it is well known how generous we are, and even we do not accept some potential patients for hair transplantation since they are not good candidates for an HT. Therefore, any fake activity is not a case for our clinic.

 

 

Mr. paleocapa89! We also wrote under your topic in the following link:

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181266-warning-if-considering-dr-hakan-doganay-read-first-24.html

[mav23100gunther]

Dear All,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

Last year we explained the situation, but it seems that we need to make some further clarifications.

 

Around 1.5 years ago, this IP question was mentioned under one of our posts and we summarize what happened last year:

In the post last year, some users did not believe that the case we posted was real. Then the patient in the case couldn't bear this and wrote some comments to show that he was not fake, then some users kept asking questions and pictures from him even if he emailed them privately and posted his pictures. The patient was frustrated and we quote his comment below:

 

"I understand the skepticism , cause i used to have it when i stayed up long nights in order to pick the best clinic for me...but right now i feel bad cause evan after emails ,evan with face pictures in a more gentle way i am called a liar...and i evan did not made this post...

AHD clinic informed be about this and out of curiosity and willingly to help out i made an account but this thing went far to way"

 

After this unfair arguments, the IP question came up. We explained the situation of IPs last year, and also let the mentioned users (i.e. accused to be fake) know. What we know is that they did not want to involve in any kind of arguments on the forum after seeing how harsh people on our former patient. We couldn't ask these users a second time to write an explanation since we do not have a right to force anyone to write anything on the forum. Only Azura told us that he would write a comment about the situation, but he did not also write any comment. We let them know again, and some of them told us that they will talk to Bill.

 

 

You can read the case we posted last year in the following link:: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175260-dr-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-9-5-months-fue-will-updated-6.html

 

This patient also started his own topic, and you can see it here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175531-fue-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-10-months.html

 

Additionally, we checked these accused users' comments and it seems that they also wrote comments for many other cases from other clinics as any forum user does for any clinic.

 

 

Overall, as explained before, we do not ask anyone to write any good/bad comments on the forum. All the comments belong to the forum users. Additionally, the only reason of fake account can be attracting more patient to make more money. But, on the forum it is well known how generous we are, and even we do not accept some potential patients for hair transplantation since they are not good candidates for an HT. Therefore, any fake activity is not a case for our clinic.

 

 

Mr. paleocapa89! We also wrote under your topic in the following link:

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181266-warning-if-considering-dr-hakan-doganay-read-first-24.html

 

Sorry, don't buy it at all. Very weak response

[Stig]

Dear All,

 

Thanks for your comments.

 

Last year we explained the situation, but it seems that we need to make some further clarifications.

 

Around 1.5 years ago, this IP question was mentioned under one of our posts and we summarize what happened last year:

In the post last year, some users did not believe that the case we posted was real. Then the patient in the case couldn't bear this and wrote some comments to show that he was not fake, then some users kept asking questions and pictures from him even if he emailed them privately and posted his pictures. The patient was frustrated and we quote his comment below:

 

"I understand the skepticism , cause i used to have it when i stayed up long nights in order to pick the best clinic for me...but right now i feel bad cause evan after emails ,evan with face pictures in a more gentle way i am called a liar...and i evan did not made this post...

AHD clinic informed be about this and out of curiosity and willingly to help out i made an account but this thing went far to way"

 

After this unfair arguments, the IP question came up. We explained the situation of IPs last year, and also let the mentioned users (i.e. accused to be fake) know. What we know is that they did not want to involve in any kind of arguments on the forum after seeing how harsh people on our former patient. We couldn't ask these users a second time to write an explanation since we do not have a right to force anyone to write anything on the forum. Only Azura told us that he would write a comment about the situation, but he did not also write any comment. We let them know again, and some of them told us that they will talk to Bill.

 

 

You can read the case we posted last year in the following link:: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175260-dr-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-9-5-months-fue-will-updated-6.html

 

This patient also started his own topic, and you can see it here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/175531-fue-hakan-doganay-1693-grafts-after-10-months.html

 

Additionally, we checked these accused users' comments and it seems that they also wrote comments for many other cases from other clinics as any forum user does for any clinic.

 

 

Overall, as explained before, we do not ask anyone to write any good/bad comments on the forum. All the comments belong to the forum users. Additionally, the only reason of fake account can be attracting more patient to make more money. But, on the forum it is well known how generous we are, and even we do not accept some potential patients for hair transplantation since they are not good candidates for an HT. Therefore, any fake activity is not a case for our clinic.

 

 

Mr. paleocapa89! We also wrote under your topic in the following link:

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181266-warning-if-considering-dr-hakan-doganay-read-first-24.html

 

That's all you got? Dr, can you explain why those posters all mysteriously stopped posting at the same time? I don't follow your argument on the fake posters. Are you really saying the only reason for a fake account is to attract patients and make more money? I think a fake account can also be used to deflect negative reviews of your clinic or try compensate for bad ones and soften any reputation damage. C'mon Dr, what do you take us for, idiots?

 

Your response above is a joke