Ziering Medical clinics in Scotland??

[littlemink]

Hi. I'm not willing to travel for my HT. Its a minor one they say at about Norwood 1, so just the temple area i think.

 

I've been trying to research the clinics that I've seen advertised, and its almost impossible to get ANY information on them by previous clients. Everyone seems to bash the UK clinics and talk about the 3 surgeons u always hear about but due to time and money restrictions and secrecy, I'm looking for something close to home.

 

I've booked a consultation at Ziering Medical in Glasgow this month and as we know, Craig Ziering is famous for the strickly come dancing guys hair etc, but he wont be performing on me i assume, so I'm looking for ANYONE, who has had HT done there in Glasgow to let me know what they thought.

 

Price range they say is 3-8k which puts me off a little since some other companies have a lower starting price and since I'm not looking for a whole head of hair, am I being ripped off?

 

Thanks guys and gals:)

[chrisdav]

Have you got any pictures of your current hair loss Littlemink?

 

It is extremely unlikely to that Mr Zierring will perform your surgery as it appears that he is starting a big chain of hair transplant clinics.

 

They generally don't have the patient's best interests at heart, charging higher prices per graft to compensate for the high cost advertising campaigns and several forum members have had surgery performed by these chains such as Bosley in the USA.

 

They all end up having to have their hair repaired.

 

And if i am correct, Mr Zierring used to work for Bosley.

 

Jason Gardner, who you are referring to, uses concealer in his hair to give him the appearence of a fuller head of hair.

 

This is a very misleading representation of the actual final result which he achieved, as with out his concealer, his hair would appear a lot thinner all over.

 

I can guarantee that NONE of the regular forum members will have had a hair transplant from him in recent years and none of them will plan to either.

 

If you are not prepared to travel outside Scotland, you are limiting yourself as the best surgeons reside in the USA, Canada and Belgium.

 

The Uk has got a very poor reputation for hair transplant surgery and i am a victim of it unfortunately, as well as many other forum members on here.

 

The best advice I could give would be to educate yourself before you end up wasting your money.

Edited February 3, 2012 by chrisdav

[littlemink]

Thanks for the reply. I've heard that generalisation all over the Internet about any and all uk based clinics but there is little to no information I can find over the last month that explains who the surgeons that work in these clinics are? I'm sure they're not all bad and to get an opinion from someone who's been there (and for them to be in business someone must have been there) would save me the extra battle of dealing with clinics that could have the same risk factor with the added trouble of travel expenses.

 

Why isn't it easier to get this information?

 

Who would u recommend Or what clinic would u recommend? I want my hair fully restored by may next year so months on waiting lists for the most popular doctors is out of the question unfortunately:(

 

Also my budget is around 3k. I'm assuming I'm a Norwood 1 or 2 at most.

 

Thanks again

 

Ps. I don't get the option to upload a picture from the iPhone

[chrisdav]

LittleMink, I remember listening to Spencer Kobren who runs one of the other major forums( The Bald Truth)

 

From memory, he stated that from 1500 registered surgeons in the USA, there was only about 50 who he regarded as reputable.

 

Now that is just over 3%, that means that for every 100 surgeons there are, only 3 are good.

 

And the UK is on par with that, if not worse.

 

It isn't easy to get a reliable souce of information, as there are more conmen than experts, and i am deadly serious.

 

The best person who you could go to for advice in the Uk is Spex, who lives in Nottingham.

 

He is a hair loss veteren, who is present on the major hair transplant forums, and now a consultant for Dr Feller and Dr Lindsey.

 

I and numerous other forum members from all the different forums have purchased his recent project 'Maximum Hair, Minimum loss' and everyone talks very highly of it.

 

There is a list of very good surgeons on this website.

Edited February 3, 2012 by chrisdav

[richie48]

Bud , you have to listen to chrisdav , if you don't heed his warning you will make the same old mistakes loads have made in the past .

 

Hair surgery requires a MASSIVE degree of artistry and this is where the average surgeon just wouldn't cut the mustard , you need a pro , who specializes is hair transplantation only , or your head will end up a mess .

 

Skill in removing a strip or follical , including depth of cut , extraction of the grafts with torsion and tension , avoidence of your scalp nerves and neatness of suture or staples closure including tricoscopic closure , this is where the scar heals with hairs growing along it to disguise the scar .

 

Slit technique , this includes angle , natural swirl , direction and depth .

 

Implantation skill , inserting the follical at a specific depth , angle and orientation , single grafts in the correct , most natural way .

 

All these things help healing time , naturalness , undetectability , look , growth , and these things cannot be achieved by any old surgeon at any old clinic !!!! .

 

I have researched all this hair loss bull shit since 2005 , being a member on here and other hairloss forums since 2007 , I have seen loads of people make this stupid mistake , rush rush rush ,and think a hair transplant is like all cosmetic surgery , tit job , face lift etc etc .

 

But it isn't , skill , artistry and COMPASSION will result is a top , natural , and ultimatly undectable hair transplant .

 

The ziering chain is nothing more than a hair mill , these guys will take your money and not give a shit , look at the way the UK surgeons reacted over the recent PIP breast implant scare , the rest of the world offered free surgery to remove the dodgy implants , the UK told the victims to pay for it themselves and refused to accept the risk , the Transform group where part of this , another surgery mill !!!!

 

Ziering clinic is bull shit , just trading on zierings name !!! , I would never recomend any UK hair transplant surgeon , and I had consults at the " alledged " top two , so I know what I'm talking about !

 

Ultimatly , it's your head , but I know when it was my head I wanted the best surgeon I could find after researching EVERYWHERE FOR INFO .

 

Forget ziering , forget limiting yourself to Scotland only , and spend time researching , because if you get this wrong you will only have yourself to blame .

 

I hope you listen and take on board everything you learn from this day forward about the pitfalls of hair transplantation . Do not be a victim .

 

Get researching and see through the bull !

 

richie

[richie48]

And maybe you can't find any guys who have used these clinics because they are very new and don't have any fully grown out results yet ,

 

Just a thought

 

richie

[littlemink]

Ok. Cancelled my consultation with Ziering so thanks for the heads up. I'm looking through Belgian surgeons right now. As well as me researching, would anyone have an idea of a clinic in Belgium on that is good value for money. I'm sure travel will take some cash off my budget so any advice on this would be great. Also, the end result is worth the extra cost so I'd love to hear positive things about any Belgian surgeon?

 

I'm also writing an article about this and will add in surgeon interviews where possible. This stuff seems like such an underground thing when it should be simple to at least find reputable surgeons and clinics.

[StaggerLee123]

Wow it seems as if Ziering is using the business model that his former employer MHR used: open as many clinics as possible and get as many butts in the seats as possible. Always question doctors that are working for someone else. Ask yourself this: if this doc is any good why isn't he in his own practice and working for himself?? Now Ziering himself may be a competent hair transplant doctor but once he starts opening up all these clinics, and it sound as if they are expanding, he has very little conrol over the quality of the results produced.

 

Caveat emptor with all hair clinics.

[chrisdav]

The best surgeons in Belgium are Dr Bisanga,Dr Devroye and Dr Feriduni.( 2 of them are on here )

 

I know there is Dr Muamba and ProHair in Belgium, but i personally don't know anything about them but there will be people on here who do.

 

In England, Dr Farjo is recommended on here.

 

The surgeons listed on here are all of a high caliber and have been visited and assessed by Pat the publisher if i am correct.

[littlemink]

Thanks for the advice on docs in Belgium. If they sold a package deal of deposit, flights, consultation in English and transplant next day I'd go for that but I'm still looking at around ?3000-?4000 all in. I couldn't fly there for a consultation only to go back out IF they can fit me in and I want full growth by my 40th next may too. Cutting it close

[richie48]

Send some pics today to the Belgium , North American and Canadian clinics and have an online consultations , then ............

 

If you chose to go with one of them you could jump on the train to London , Euro star to France , then train into Belgium .

 

Or drive your car From Scotland to the Euro tunnel , it takes 12 hours to get to Folkstone , Euro Tunnel takes 45 mins , then drive another 100 miles to Belgium , takes four hours , and will cost 350 quid in fuel plus ?45 return for the tunnel crossing , 3500 quid left for a transplant .

 

Or drive to Manchester from Scotland 4 hours an 75 quid in fuel , fly to Newark airport New York and stay for four days in New york for 550 quid and still have 3300 quid for a transplant with Dr Feller .

 

Or drive to London 150 quid in fuel , fly from Heathrow to Canada , stay in Canada , all for 700 qiud and still have just over 3000 quid left for a transplant with Hasson and Wong .

 

You can make this as easy or as hard as you want bud , but just work out the best option to go with one of the best surgeons you can find , and believe me not one of them is in the UK .

 

If you send you pics for an online consult today , then spend every waking hour trawling the internet for information , chose wisely from only a handful of the worlds best HT surgeons , book within the next two months your HT would have been done for over 12 months by the time you have your 40th , plenty of time for most of the growth to have taken place .

 

I hope this makes you think and gives you some ideas bud .

 

richie

Edited February 4, 2012 by richie48

[beardywierdy]

Hi Mate

 

Good advice from the guys above- heed their advice! Don't rush in to surgery and please, please don't fall for the glib marketing techniques, used by some of these outfits. There are a lot of f8cking maggots, leeches and parasites in this industry, some clinics couldn't care less how you end up looking, as they know that most guys with poor surgeries will simply go away due to the embarrassment; how many people do you hear of suing their surgeon for poor work - not many.

Do research and then do some more research, the places you need to be looking - USA, Canada and Belgium. Rahal, Feller, Feriduni, Devroye, Bisanga, H&W, Shapiro. This is not an exhastive list, nor is it in order of preference; just a number of guys who can produce the goods and are proven to be excellent surgeons.

If you choose a surgeon by cost or location, you might pay in the future- you could end up getting expensive repair work, just to look normal. Come on man, it's not like buying a cheap car, this is surgery on your head.

 

Good luck