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My PATHETIC results at 9 months with Dr Kiely!


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Hey Trebor,

 

Sorry to hear about your experience.

 

I don't want to rub salt into the wound, but I have a feeling you may have your numbers wrong.

 

 

I recently had a close friend perform a count of the entire transplant area (left and right temples and a half inch strip along the front) under the most powerful magnifying glass we could get. The result of this count, approximately 400-500 hairs in total! Out of a claimed (by Dr Kiely) 2500 hairs!

 

When doctors quote numbers it's usually in grafts, did you pay for 2500 grafts or 2500 hairs (there is a difference)?

 

If you received 2500 GRAFTS you should have, as a rough number, around 5000 hairs roughly. The average graft to hair count works out at something like 2.1 hairs per graft. Something to look into.

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Check out this doctor's website. I'm a digital media specialist by trade and work extensively with Photoshop. To echo other statements made earler, the "before" pictures on the good doctor's home page are clearly photoshopped to make the patient (if they even are patients) look way balder then they really are (if they were even balding to begin with). Look at how blurry the balding area is. There's a good chance that the only "work" these "patients" have had done has been done with a few mouse clicks...

 

If these images aren't Photoshopped, then I'm Mickey F*****g Mouse.

 

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Many thanks to you ALL for your feedback on my posts. And to be honest, your replies do not surprise me in the slightest. I had an inkling that what Dr. Kiely claimed to have performed was too good to be true. And there is a MAJOR difference between what he claims to have done and what he actually DID do on Trebor and Irish30. How the hell do these charlatans get away with it? I always thought that 'you get what you pay for' but clearly this is not always the case as I almost handed over ?‚¬6.5k to this guy for one session that I later cancelled thanks to the advice that I received on this very forum. I did however lose my ?‚¬1000 deposit for booking my surgery. But the way I see it right now is that it's better that I lost my deposit and escaped with my donor follicles intact, than losing another 5.5k and leaving with a nasty scar, destroyed follicles and nothing to show for it.

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As I see it there is no doubt you made the right decision.

 

As for the money that was lost you will make it back by going to a respected doctor.

 

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I'd chase him for a refund. He is clearly misrepresenting his work as the photo's prove, to me that's a good enough reason to back out of surgery and request a refund.

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You have a valid point there Maxxy. But to be honest, I'm not sure if I want the hassle. I'm sure these quacks have it all figured out as regards the legal end of things (hence why their doors remain open). But I guess it would do no harm finding out what my options are. Also, I may be able to shed some light on your question to Trebor earlier (and I don't mean to but in and answer a question intended for someone else). But in relation to the hairs/grafts count, I know that Dr. Kiely only performs 1000 grafts in a single session. He said so himself in a radio interview I heard. Although why this is, I do not know (perhaps it's a way of extracting more money from unsuspecting patients). So it's likely that Trebor was expecting to get 2500 hairs from his session. And in answer to mmhce's question, these are the societies that Dr. Kiely belongs to and as it turns out, he isn't actually lying about this as I checked it out on the societies websites:

 

The International Society of Hair Restoration Surgeons

 

The European Society of Hair Restoration Surgery

 

The British Association of Hair Restoration Surgeons

 

A Licentiate of The Trichological Society of London

 

This has opened up a whole new can of worms. As if guys like him can get into these societies then what the hell is going on? Do they just fill in a form and give a fee and bingo! They're in the club? Would I be right to assume that the only society that vets doctor's properly is The Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Surgeons? As it sure seems that way from where I'm standing.

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This is priceless! I'm sorry, I'm not trying to stir s**t but when I saw these 'before and after' pictures just now, I laughed out loud and simply HAD to post the link (I still visit Kiely's website once in a while to see if it's actually still THERE, in the hope that trading standards have finally caught up with him and shut the website down) icon_biggrin.gif

 

Check this out, this seems to be the very SAME picture of the 'patient' in the before and after shots, but photoshopped to make him appear balding in one and not the other. Good God Kiely, if you're going to deceive people at least make your claims SLIGHTLY believable! icon_biggrin.gif

 

http://www.kielyhealthcare.ie/...ableName=beforeafter

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Originally posted by GTDL:

Would I be right to assume that the only society that vets doctor's properly is The Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Surgeons?

 

It's funny because this guy actually took the animation center from this site and added it to his own his own, with the links leading back here and everything. People may assume that he is affiliated with the Hair Transplant Network or possibly even in the Coaltion, as it says right at the top

 

"Animation Center sponsored by the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians":

 

http://www.kielyhealthcare.ie/anim.asp

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"Animation Center sponsored by the Coalition of Independent Hair Restoration Physicians":

 

Just for clarification, Dr. Kiely is not recommended on the Hair Transplant Network nor is he a member of the Coalition. Many hair restoration clinics use our free animations on their site, even those we don't recommend.

 

Best wishes,

 

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I never even noticed that on his site, that's quite troubling as people who know little about hair transplantation and are considering it could wrongly assume that he is a coalition doctor or in some way affiliated. Although in saying that, it's good if a prospective patient considering him clicks on the link to this website and then sees what his work is REALLY like. And to them patients who are reading this I say: AVOID HIM! And do your research!

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Originally posted by GTDL:

I have already paid some money up front for the procedure, which is non-refundable as I understand (but the money isn't really an issue, I just want to make sure I'm getting what I'm paying for). I guess it would be safe to presume that you guys, if you were in my position right now, would just cut your losses and run? I would be grateful for any advice you may have (although your previous posts pretty much say it all regarding Dr. Kiely).

 

Don't accept just because they say the money is non-refundable.

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Cheers Dazed,

I appreciate your comment but I don't think there is much that I can do. You see Dr. Kiely gives you a contract to sign that you must return to him with the ?‚¬1000 deposit. It's written into the contract that once the deposit is paid, it will not be refunded if you cancel the surgery (unless you cancel it a month or more before the surgery is due to take place). I cancelled it one day before I was due to have it done (because I discovered this forum as luck would have it completely by chance). They are a very hard sell clinic. My 'consultation' lasted all but a couple of minutes. He spent maybe twenty seconds 'examining' my scalp and the rest of it was focused on how I intended to pay and how soon could I come in for the session. I know I should have known better, but when you're completely new to something and seeking an answer to your problem you tend to trust the 'expert'. Thank God for this forum is all I can say.

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Hey Guys, didn't know a mini revolution was occurring in my absence!

 

As far as Dr. Kiely is concerned GTDL, my opinion would be stay away!

I can only judge him on my own results, and as the photo shows, they're pretty crap (and they're still crap at almost 11 months now, either that or I'm the slowest grower in the world).

 

I can't believe I didn't spot the fake pictures with the plasticky lookin' hair! I guess we only see what we want to see sometimes?

 

To clear things up, I got... er... paid for 1000 grafts, containing (according to Dr. Kiely) approximately 2.5 hairs per graft, or to put it another way approximately 2500 hairs. I can see about 500 of them, the other 2000 remain elusive! I think I may need to organize an expedition and gather a team of experts around me, to go and explore my head to search out the lost follicles.

 

Cheers.

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Just like to add, I'm sorry you lost your ?‚¬1000 GTDL, and I hope you find a good surgeon that can give you the results you want.

I'm also glad that you discovered the truth about Dr. Kiely before it was too late!

 

Unfortunately for me I didn't discover this forum until after I had my procedure, and now I simply don't have the money to go elsewhere.

 

Every time I look in the mirror I'm confronted by this absolutely shit transplant. I have to try stop myself looking at it or I get so f**king angry.

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Cheers Trebor mate,

Although to be honest, I consider myself VERY fortunate to have only lost a grand (and NO donor follicles) at the hands of this shyster! It's guys like yourself who I feel really bad for, having been screwed over by him and his bogus claims. As great as this and other forums may be, they simply aren't enough to fully expose the likes of Kiely. I mean there are so many people out there who may be in the same boat as you were last year (and as I was when I was looking to have a HT) who would see Kiely's website and believe what he tells them (And why wouldn't you? On paper he would look impressive to a person who knows little about hair restoration or the doctors who practice it, and we ourselves both believed him at one stage). I had thought of maybe writing to one of the papers or perhaps one of these consumer watchdogs. As he is clearly misleading people and doing them out of large amounts of money, it's not on. But don't beat yourself up over it mate, even the brightest among us can easily fall victim to a conman when they present a solution to your problem. Have you thought of seeking a refund? The reason I wont get my deposit back is because I cancelled my surgery way too late. But you're in a different boat altogether, because he DIDN'T actually deliver what he said he would (1000 grafts/2500 hairs). You have the physical proof to back it up and also (if you wanted to really stick it to him) you could mention how he falsely advertised his work with PHOTOSHOPPED pictures (which are there for all to see on his website). Honestly mate, if I were in your shoes I would seek legal advice if he refuses to give you a refund. A grand is not worth chasing (and it's my fault for losing it by signing the contract). But ?‚¬6.5K is a whole different ball game, especially when you didn't get what you paid for.

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Just another thing, I have decided to go to the States Trebor, no way would I even think about having a HT in Ireland now. I'm going to go to Dr. Feller in New York, proven track record over and over again, top doctor, top results. And with the amount Kiely is charging for a paltry 1000 grafts, you could get a world class HT PLUS a nice little break across the pond. I really hope you get a refund and go to one of the top docs and get it fixed (with a top doc like Feller, it can be done, so all is not lost).

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Cheers GTDL, you're definitely doing the right thing going to the USA and I'm sure it'll be money well spent.

 

You hit the nail on the head with regard to Kiely's website being impressive looking to the unwary.

 

Justice will prevail...

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I really hope that justice does prevail for you mate. To say that you got a raw deal would be a vast understatement. And here's hoping that others contemplating going to him will see these posts before doing so.

 

Just to reiterate to people in Ireland who are considering having a HT, the man in the attached photo, Dr. Conor Kiely of Cork, Ireland, is to be AVOIDED AT ALL COSTS! Do your research and don't get conned.

 

And don't be a stranger Trebor, keep in contact mate. All the best and hope you eventually get the results you were after.

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Please do remember every doctor has one or two bad results, If I would be Dr Kiely I would do a free surgery for you and If I would be you I would talk to him again.

But one bad result is not enough to say that the doctor is bad or be aware of him.

We doctors are nothing but humans and the bad results can be not necessary because of our or our teams fault, X-Factor can play also its the factor for poor growth which is not know and not in the control of a doctor.

 

So give a doctor a chance as well, but if thats whats happening normally or more than 10% of his cases then YES he should be asked to improve and he should attend some training sessions.

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Originally posted by Dr M Humayun Mohmand:

Please do remember every doctor has one or two bad results, If I would be Dr Kiely I would do a free surgery for you and If I would be you I would talk to him again.

But one bad result is not enough to say that the doctor is bad or be aware of him.

We doctors are nothing but humans and the bad results can be not necessary because of our or our teams fault, X-Factor can play also its the factor for poor growth which is not know and not in the control of a doctor.

 

 

 

The question is not having poor results on any one patient, its a clear lack of honesty in showcasing results that are not yours, and not likely ANYONES other than someone who can doctor photographs.

 

This is not attacking a doctor for poor results, this is attacking his lack of ethics, which is far worse. That type of dishonesty usually serves as a cover for lack of skill.

 

So this doctor is a two time loser. Sure am glad that this thread has saved someone grief, and money, from another hack who's lying patients into a lifetime of poor results (or a search somewhere for repair)

 

He will probably say, if asked, he "didnt know" about the photoshop on his website.

 

Yea, riiiiight.

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Originally posted by GTDL:

And here's another

 

http://www.kielyhealthcare.ie/...ableName=beforeafter

 

Wow - good one GTDL! The before photo in this looks 'smudged' to remove any pre-photos or to perhaps hide any shaved hairs, etc. Nice coverup!

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