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I had an FUT transplant on October 1, 2014 with Dr. Edmond Griffin who is recommended on this website. He is less known, and no one really talks about him on this website. My result was bad, and the way they handled the situation was terrible. They are blaming me for the poor result while it was obvious that it was their fault. [short story] 1) The doctor recommended me 1800 grafts (less than what I actually needed) during the consultation, and I decided to go for it. After a year, during arguments, he said he did less because he didn't want to burden me with a large number of grafts. It means he obviously knew I needed more grafts, but he didn't tell me, because it might just scare me away and not do the surgery. 2) I didn't like the idea of starting to take preventions right after the surgery. Because then, poor result could be covered by successful prevention medicine result. I told the doctor one of my choices would be to take preventions only for a year and see the full result of the medicine first and decide if I want the surgery. And my other choice would be to do the surgery without preventions to see the full result of the surgery first and start taking preventions. The doctor chose to do the surgery because of money. During one year post-op, he blamed me for not taking preventions, because he forgot what we discussed during the initial consultation. Even after I explained what actually happened, it was still only his main point of defense, because that is all he can do and he doesn't want to provide any compensation. 3) I noticed that I needed more grafts after looking at photos I took of myself for documentation. I asked them for 3000 grafts, but they said 3000 is too many, and they did 2400 grafts, which is still not enough, in the end. After the surgery the doctor said, "your head is larger than I thought. You must be smart." Nice excuse. 4) After reading forums on this website, I decided it was best to start taking prevention. And I started using minoxidil a month after the surgery. 5) Other than the new low density hairline, I didn't see any difference. I can't even tell the difference between my month 6 and month 12. I still have a dozen of ungrown thick transplanted hair on my crown. 6) During one year post-op, they gave me comb-over photo results! The assistant who took my photo results said he doesn't know which way to brush my hair to match my pre-op photo. He only talked about improvements first. They asked me if I am on prevention. I needed them to be truthful of my result, so I said no. Now they started to say that my result is poor and that is why I look almost as same as pre-op, which I also agree. The doctor didn't even touch my hair during the one year post-op, and he was so sure that the surgery went well, but I lost more hair because I didn't take any prevention. 7) I didn't criticize them at all during the one year post-op. I just agreed with them in person. I decided to argue with them by sending emails, because then I can get a hard-proof and they can't change what they said before. The doctor kept repeating it was my fault for not taking prevention and his surgery was successful. [before the consultation] I am 30 years old. My hair loss was very slow progression for around 5 years (maybe 10 years), so I didn't notice it at first. I only looked at myself in a mirror, and I only noticed my receding hairline at first. I did some research online, and I found this website. I looked at hundreds of photos, and it seemed around 1500-2000 grafts on my hairline will be enough for me. I looked at recommended physicians around my area and Dr. Edmond Griffin was recommended. There is almost no reviews about him on this website, but after reading his profile description on this website which talked good things about him, I decided to go with him. But it was a terrible mistake. [During the initial consultation] During the initial consultation, Dr. Edmond Griffin mentioned receding hairline and thinning on top. He recommended 1500-1800 grafts to lower my hairline and fill the front area for more density (which wasn't enough for me as other people on this website forum also agreed). I was expecting that much for my hair line and front area, too. Hearing that made me sure that my hair loss is not bad yet, and it is a starting stage. He made it sound like it wasn't bad either and I will be satisfied with 1500-1800 grafts. (One year later, he said in quote: "When deciding how many grafts you need: I do not want to burden a young patient like yourself with an unreasonably large number of grafts." So, he wasn't being truthful. He knew that number of grafts wasn't enough for me from the start). He also mentioned prevention medications. I was familiar with prevention medications from reading forum on this website. However, I didn't like the idea of both doing a surgery and taking prevention medications at that moment. Because the result of surgery might turn out to be bad and the result of prevention medication could cover it. So I told the doctor, I don't want to do both at the moment. One of my two choices was to take prevention medication only for a year, see its full result first, and decide later if I want a surgery or not. My other choice was to take a surgery without medications and see its full result first, and decide later if I want to take prevention medication. The doctor chose to do the surgery! (And one year later when the result came out bad, he told me it is my fault that I didn't take prevention medication. He even forgot I told him about my two choices during the consultation). My surgery day was scheduled to be 3 weeks later. It is usually 2 weeks for them. While filling out the consultation, I asked about the summer discount they were talking about on their website. They said the summer discount is until September 30th and it is depending on my surgery date, not the consultation date. And they scheduled me on October 1st (It wasn't even on 2nd or 3rd to make it less obvious...). [After the initial consultation] I decided to make a photo documentation like people do on this website, and I noticed that my hairloss wasn't minor (It was because I couldn't see my top and crown area on a mirror, and the doctor acted like it was minor). I went through photo results in this website and I thought I need around 3000 total to cover the top and crown area, too. So I called the clinic and said I want 3000 grafts instead. The clinic responded 3000 was too many but they will let the doctor know about it. During the surgery day, the doctor also said 3000 is too many (which was a lie. Because on the consultation paper, the maximum number they do is 3000 grafts, and the doctor obviously knew that his recommended number of grafts wasn't enough from the start). So I told the doctor to do as many as he can do to cover up the area, and he ended with 2400 grafts. The word from the doctor after the surgery was: "your head is larger than I thought. You must be smart." I don't know why the doctor even said that. That means, he expected less grafts required for me, but in reality, it wasn't enough for me. [Pricing] Their pricing is different. FUT costs $5 per a graft all the way until 3,000 grafts, which is the maximum amount they do, according to the consultation paper. And they add an additional base price depending on how much graft range you are having. For 1-1000 grafts, they add $2,500. $2,000 for 1100-1900 grafts. $1,500 for 2000-2900 grafts. $1,000 for 3000 max graft. After that, they add anesthedia fee, laboratory fee, and graft media fee which are $1,240 addtional fee. However, you can see he does 3,000 grafts or more sometimes from his photo results. It is a trick that they just made it seem like even 2,000 grafts are large amount. If you look at his website, this is the quote on their website: "The price for each individual hair restoration session ranges from $4,500-$12,000, depending on the needs of the patient." If you use math, it means their session ranges from 152 grafts to 1,752. That isn't a reasonable amount at all. Does that mean they even do 152 grafts? You can see that he is not being honest. https://www.griffincenter.com/faq/financial-scheduling-faqs/ Read Dr. Edmond Griffin's profile on this website: "His focus on patient care over marketing allows him to keep his fees surprisingly low. Given his excellent reputation and results, I believe he is one of the best values in United States." This is completely misleading description, and it should be changed. When I heard the price, I was like, "of course, there is hidden fees in the United States. From reading forum, it seems he used different pricing 7 years ago. But his total pricing isn't much different. His price is higher than the other respected surgeons on this website. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/145535-dr-griffin-atl.html [Consulation Paper] And under the surgery fee sheet, they have these lists. Patient understands the following: 1) Hair loss is progressive and unpredictable. 2) Surgery does not prevent further hair loss, therefore preventative measures must be taken. 3) Multiple procedures maybe necessary for optimal fullness. 4) # Additional sessions may be needed for optimal fullness.They circled the number 2 on mine. So the paper says "2 additional sessions may be needed for optimal fullness." However this is a simple trick. They made this ambiguous on purpose. It didn't specify if I need 2 more at the moment or in the future after I lose more hair. They use it for either ways which benefit them. However, if you use it for both ways, that means it is just a tool to deceive. After complaining about my poor result, the doctor used this. He said there is number 2 circled on my paper. Dr. Edmond Griffin uses all those lists for excuses when the surgery turns out to be bad. He can just say, "look at this paper. It says addtional sessions may be needed." He can make excuses for recommending less grafts for additional surgeries, because he has a high base price for additional money. And when the surgery turns out to be bad, he can say, "hair loss is progressive and unpredictable. So you lost more of your natural hair." Waiting for the result was a long time. I frequently checked photos on this website to expect what kind of result I get. Then I read many forum posts and decided that it is best to start taking prevention. Because some doctors blamed on not taking prevention, so I didn't want any possible excuses. So I started using minoxidil after one month. [Week 1] The pain wasn't bad. I shampooed my hair gently. No swelling. After one week, the stitches are removed. [Week 3] The transplanted hair started to fall out. Around 40 percent of transplanted fell out. [month 1] Almost all transplanted hair had fallen out. Most of the transplanted hair that didn't fall out was in my crown area. I had a shock loss. I felt like I had less hair than before. [month 2] Nothing has changed much in appearance. Very little pain. Maybe shock loss has been stopped. I still have redness. Most of transplanted hair on my crown area didn't fall out at all. [month 3] I started to see a little growth on my hairline. The pain is almost gone. [month 4] I started to see more growth on my hairline, but I couldn't figure out if other parts have grown. At this stage, I have recovered from the shock loss and I look like myself before the surgery. The pain is gone, but I still have redness. [month 5] More growth on my hairline, but I can't still see growth on other areas. The redness is almost gone. [month 6] More growth on my hairline. Density on my hairline is still low, but I don't know if it is the final result for my hairline. I don't see new growth on other areas. I can still feel thick small transplanted grafts on my crown area. It didn't fall or grow at all. The redness is completely gone finally. [6.5 months post-op] I got a mail from the clinic to make a schedule for follow up check. I called them and told them during the follow up, I want to know the total graft number and where they have been placed in detail. The clinic said it will be only 5 minutes check up. And it was lietally 5 minutes check up! I told the doctor the hairline has been grown up, but there is still no sign of growth on my top and crown area. The doctor said the crown area will start growing slower than other area and he will do detailed follow up for one year follow up. [months 6 to one year] The result looks as same as month 6. I can still feel a dozen of thick small transplanted grafts on my crown area. By its look, less than half of transplanted hair has been grown. [One year post-op] The result was very poor, so I was wondering what would be their reaction. First, they took comparison photos and showed them to me. While preparing to take photos, their assistant said he doesn't know why the light is darker than before in the room. Later, when he was brushing my hair, he said he doesn't know which way to brush my hair to match my pre-op hairstyle. I was amazed that they really decided to go that way. They did the comb over and took result photos! And their acting was so stupid. I don't know how they think it would work. He doesn't know how to brush hair? Just wow... This already told me three things: 1) The result is poor. 2) They are trying to hide the poor result from me. 3) They are extremely stupid enough to think that I am stupid. One thing I asked him before getting result photos was a total graft number and their placement chart, so I will have better understanding of the result. But the assistant said he only has total graft number now and the doctor has placement chart. I got the total graft number and asked for the placement chart. He went out to get photo results and came back. He said Dr. Edmond Griffin doesn't have placement chart because he places grafts and decide how much it is needed on certain places during the surgery. It is obviously a lie, because this assistant assists during the actual surgery, and he should know exactly how he does. Plus, six months ago, they told me I am going to get those details during one year post-op. They just didn't want to show it to me because they were afraid that I will get a better understanding of the result. The assistant showed it to me and told me only good things about the result. This was expected after him showing me those photos. Then he asked me if I am on any prevention medicine. I have been using minoxidil for 11 months, but I needed them to tell the truth about the result being bad. Because if I say I was using minoxidil, they will continue saying the result is good. So I said I am not taking any prevention medicine at all. The assistant started talking about the importance of prevention medicine. Later, the doctor came in. He just glanced at my hair. He didn't touch my hair at all! He didn't say anything about the result. He kept taking about the importance of prevention medicine. I told them what I told them during the initial consultation that my plan was to take preventions after seeing the full result of the hair surgery. The doctor and the assistant both kept talking about they can't believe I didn't take any prevention medicine (the doctor even forgot what I told him during the initial consultation. If they couldn't believe it, why did they agree with that choice during the initial consultation? It is obviously because of money). However the doctor wasn't talking about my result. They were waiting for my reaction first. I am a very calm person, and I know what they are trying to accomplish. Finally, they asked me if I am satisfied with my result. I said no. Now they started telling me about the bad result. The doctor said because I didn't take any prevention medicine, there is almost no difference between my pre-op and post-op comparison. They asked me if I am going to start taking prevention now. That was one of my choices from the start. The doctor recommended me dutasteride. What? During the initial consultation, he recommended me finasteride and minoxidil. I said I am planning to take finasteride. Then, they talked about possible side effects of finasteride (they made it sound like it is not uncommon. But during the initial consultation, they made it sound like side effects are rare. Now the surgery is already over, they are talking like this?). The doctor said he is taking dutasteride himself (what? He said he was taking finasteride himself during the initial consultation). He also said his son took finasteride and got side effects. What a liar. Anyway, I got a prescription of finasteride. They asked me if I have other questions. I said no, and the doctor left. He didn't even touch my hair for evaluation, and he was so certain that his transplanted hairs grew, and I lost my native hair from not taking preventions. After the doctor left, I asked the assistant to check my crown. I told him I have a dozen of transplanted hair that hasn't fallen or grown at all, and I also told him I have some ingrown hair. The doctor didn't even touch my hair, so he had no idea about it. The assistant used numbing cream and fixed a few ingrown hair. He said I have several different lengths of hair on my crown like it is okay... obviously. I just acted like I am agreeing with them until I left the clinic, because my plan was to talk to them using email for the hard proofs. I told them everything on emails how much I know about this incident. The assistant and the doctor just kept making excuses that it was my fault and not even making counterargument for most points that I have made.
Hi, I had 3 HTs at the age of 20,21 and 22 in the years 1983-1985. A large regret. I will say this to any young man reading. Do not rush into a HT! Postpone it by using the many options that were not available in my day. I think the hair transplant I received was descent for its time, but still obvious and "pluggy". Luckily the surgeon was competent and gave me what I consider a good hairline (not too low). I have been considering another HT for many years and have been to probably 6 or 7 consultations over the years here in the Atlanta Georgia area. I am a Norwood VI and I do NOT have enough head donor grafts to do full coverage on my head, and not even close. For this reason the concept of Body Hair FUE HT is very appealing to me. I have consulted with Dr. Griffin ( years ago), Dr. Cole ( last year), and others. In general I probably have approximately 1500 head donor Grafts that I can safely afford. I am fine with not having a full head of hair, I just want it to look reasonably natural. I have read on the topic of FUE for years and I always thought that the "Strip" was more wasteful of graphs and that overall a good FUE surgeon would get more graphs than a strip session. I have read on this forum that dormant hairs in a "Strip" are NOT transplanted and are discarded, and that these dormant grafts are usually 10 - 20%..... , but I recently read Dr. Shapiro's entry with the interpretation that he is stating "Strip"will allow for more density. Can anyone clarify which method is more efficient with usage of donor area? In my last consultation the HT surgeon told me it was a wash whether I chose "Strip" or FUE given my situation..... My personal situation: I am willing to travel, but it would be nice to have a surgeon in this area. I would much appreciate some advice and direction on what surgeons would be good for me to consider and I would appreciate the thought behind the selection if possible. thanks for your time